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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)
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Mac Pro production a 'pawn' in a political dog and pony show. .... not sure why folks are surprised it is delayed when coupled to "chaos theory" policy strategy.
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Yeah, my sources have been pretty garbage on the 2019.Still wondering if we'll see more on it tomorrow.
Wondering if they will still have the Mac Pro 2013 for sale after taking down the store for updates for what they are actually going to sell.
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But the iMac Pro pragmatically only has one non-CTO and Mac Pro 2013 down at two ( had three at launch).
I suppose there will be the base and one other not quite as stripped down. Perhaps
Vega II ( instead of 580x) , 48GB ( six 8 GB DIMMs ; instead of two empty channels ), two NAND data blades ( 1TB usable capacity ), and perhaps a 12 core.
Probably no more than 3 standard configurations. The majority probably will be configured to order.
It would be prudent for them to run a longer pre-order phase so they could actually see what they should be putting some extra time on while building the ramp. ( I'm sure they have some big order customers who have their own favorites , but there is pretty good chance they don't match what the broader market is going to want. )
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Again...
Mostly we know about 2016(hopefully) nMP 7,1 are personal assumptions and some "anonymous leaks".
Most rumors point to Introductions at WWDC with availability not earlier than Q4'16
I think the new Mac Pro exceeds these expectations.
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Again...
Mostly we know about 2016(hopefully) nMP 7,1 are personal assumptions and some "anonymous leaks".
Most rumors point to Introductions at WWDC with availability not earlier than Q4'16
- Should be Based on Intel C612 Server or X99 Workstation/ProSumer Chipset.
- GPUs x2 most leaks points to AMD GPU (Polaris and Vega) very few forum speculations still believe possible an nVidia based nMP.
- Thunderbolt 3 upgrade it's a logical evolution, as USB-C and HDMI2.
- CPUs Xeon E5v4 family most likely few rumors account on AMD Zen.
- Storage, it's also assumed as logical evolution either 1x NVMe on PCIe3 or 2xNVMe on PCIe2 2.5 GBps total throughput...
- RAM upto 256 GB possible as supported by C612 on 4 RDIMM DDR4 ECC Slot.
- Performance as Xeon E5v4 should be utpo 630GFlops compute FP64 (CPU only E5-2699v4).
- Performance on Upcoming GPUs speculatively should be (on each GPU) among 5.5Tflop FP32 (Polaris) to 9 TFlop FP32 (Vega) FP64 performance should be from 500GFlop to 4-5 TFlop.
I think the new Mac Pro exceeds these expectations.
The new 16" MBP was just announced. 1TB storage for the base model, up to 8TB configurable. Can't imagine they stick with continuing to offer the 256GB in base model MP7,1 for very long after this "Pro" focus message from Tim Apple Cook.
Still no mentions of BTO pricing for MP7,1.
Still no mentions of BTO pricing for MP7,1.
Hopefully BTO prices come up now too. Mac Pro was officially announced for December release today now too. It went into production back at the beginning of October and was in ramp weeks ago. There are already units sitting on the shelf in TX.
edit to add: ordered MBP16 for Nov 21-25th delivery, there's now a paid shipping option, I don't remember that ever being there before. 8 dollars to get it a little earlier.
For team pro contexts and network storage 256GB isn't a big problem. ( use the 10GbE to a network assigned to SAN/NAS and go. If have a faster network add in a higher throughput network card and go). Neither for folks who already have a add-in PCI-e NVMe SSD card. ( If really have high bulk SSD capacity needs then Apple isn't all that competitive anyway $/GB . ). Finally, throw in the folks who dislike the T2 (but not enough to skip the Mac Pro.). All they need is a maintenance macOS instance on the T2 (and 256GB is relatively enormous for that).
I highly doubt, Apple isn't gong to budge much on the 256GB move. ( the better margins both in base system and bumping folks up to 1TB through BTO are going to offset the lower run rate they are going to get with Mac Pros at this starting price ).
[P.S. Not just the SSD gap in base configuration. MBP bumped up to Navi for entry GPU too. While the Mac Pro is stuck on incremented Polaris. Probably same "low volume" tax and missteps in production timing. ]
[P.P.S. just noticed that the MBP 16" caps out at 8TB SSD and the Mac Pro only at 4TB . I doubt though than most rational folks would buy 8TB from Apple at their prices given the other options avaiable internally for a Mac Pro though. But the 'ego buy' folks are going to have problems. ]
S.N.A.F.U. Creeping toward 3 years of "dog ate my homework".... not sure why folks keep expecting them to be on top of the product management game. It looks like they want a large mismatch between initial supply and the initial demand bubble. Apple will announce they are amazed and surprised at the demand levels for he Mac Pro ( and have the long shipping lead times to as "proof" to back up their amazement. )
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"delight and surprise" dogma in full effect. If don't build what people want in advance then it is almost all "just in time" builds. Timely delivery just isn't a priority. ( neither would be moving the factory away and back again. That too will impactor timely delivery. )
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hey guys im at the zoo punching baby elephants, since no BTO pricing
These where fair expectations for a 2016 workstation, now is 2020, so Apple isn't really skyrocketing, they just put it where should have been if not stopped to evolve in 2013....
Should be available today commented someone, check again later today.
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Apple take the store down and bring it back up for two different changes in the same day ..... don't hold your breath. Perhaps some BTO on Tuesday after Thanksgiving Dec 3 and then not shipping until week of 9th or 16th.
The only 'new' piece of info transmitted was 'December' timing. Which pragmatically means "have to wait longer"... not getting more real info out soon.
I got this detail from the same source that provided that the MBP 16 should replace the MBP 15 at same price:
Bto options should be available soon today, (maybe not today but likely this week or soon), also gave me few updates: Max bto ram is 768gb from it to reach 1.5tb you have to go diy. Max bto storage upto 16 TB from 4tb. Fully loaded very close to 40k
Apple not wanting to sell 128GB DIMMs with their inflated "Apple Tax" markup them is probably a smart move. Hardly nobody was likely to buy them anyway. Probably no "redundant" 768GB via six 128GB DIMMs via Apple BTO either. Apple wouldn't have to stock the 128GB DIMMs at all. ( only 8 , 16, and 32 ).
If they are going Scrooge McDuck on inventory costs, perhaps also not stock the 16GB DIMMs either. ( getting to 96GB is also a DIY path too. ).
So 32, 48 or just go 'big' 192GB and up if some of the Tech specs are not actually BTO options. ( that would be a new precedent for Apple though. Usually the "specs" page is as much a marketing page as it is a "technical info" page. But I can see that folks would have no appetite for 128GB DIMMs from Apple once told the price in prerelease NDA discussions. ).
I highly doubt the storage one. If they were going to chestbeast on "max capacity" they would have done it before. They are using the NAND chips for the MBP 16" . And it is a bit funny that the laptop maxes out of higher capacity than the "king kong" Mac Pro. But who is really going to buy 16GB at Apple markups when there are dozens of other internal options at far more cost effective prices. However, if the Mac Pro got it then the iMac Pro probably would also. (same NAND blades on the same T2. If this is suppose to be some Mac Pro only thing then it seems doubtful. ). If Apple has some big spec good news why would they sit on it with the "doom and gloom" they are generating with the almost no 'info' update (other than yet even more delay) ?
Totally agreed on base storage. As to inventory and shipping times though they already have them on the shelf. They went into ramp weeks ago. If they wanted to a large mismatch they could have opened pre-orders middle of October, been fulfilling immediately, and end up with two month back orders at the same time.
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So back of the napkin math, from $40k fully loaded build (with 768GB RAM) back out $7500 for the 28 core, $4k (at least) for RAM, $10k for 16TB storage (if it were to scale linearly from the 4TB price, probably more than that) and that leaves a maximum of $12.5K for two Vega II Duos and an afterburner card, likely less than that. Oh, and wheels.
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Those who believes in t2's storage encryption and do not want to Walk the diy road (or maybe apple has a hidden trap to enforce it's premium tax).
To clarify 4TB is not cgmMP Base storage, it was the previous Max storage capacity.
And of course a MBP 14 is in the oven along updated iMac (pro)
It's weird that I'm legitimately most interested in what the pricing for these are.
Nobody said the base storage was moving up to 4TB.
And about the 4:26 Mark here Marques Brownleee says that the Mac Pro internal storage is "also going up to 8TB".
Updating the Tech Specs page might come later today (after someone in Cupertino rolls out of bed a bit "late"). (updating that should be different than doing to the store). Or later if Apple dribbles that out over time.
Two 8TB NAND blades .. I don't find creditable. Apple might need some mods to the T2's SSD controller to bump up that far. ( a T3 ). Two 4TB step up from two 2TB blades is more believable.
3.299,00€ for the base 8 core rMBP. And it drives 2 XDR?! Man, I might just drop the mMP for this baby
Max out the RAM and update Navi to 8GB and that's 4.379,00€.
This kinda leaves the mMP in a sort of awkward position, with Navi, huge SSD.
And 2 XDRs with this rMBP is quite a setup.
Max out the RAM and update Navi to 8GB and that's 4.379,00€.
This kinda leaves the mMP in a sort of awkward position, with Navi, huge SSD.
And 2 XDRs with this rMBP is quite a setup.
LOL. Managed not to put it in the Press Release.
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2019...nch-macbook-pro-the-worlds-best-pro-notebook/
S.N.A.F.U. all day long. Should be glad not all the folks briefed didn't miss the detail.
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Probably still composing that "dog ate my homework" messaging.