MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)

[zephonic]

Yesterday I got some hands-on time with the 16" MBP and contemplating whether or not it would be adequate replacement for my cMP.
My main concern is battery degradation, as it would probably be plugged in 95% of the time. Does anybody have an idea of how bad deterioration would be in that scenario?
I bought my MBP 12,1 three years ago, and now its battery health is at 85%. But that's with careful charging habits and low usage.

Another concern is throttling, of course.

Frankly, right now the MBP looks like a better deal than both the Mini and iMac. Chances of me getting the next Mac Pro are slim. The economics just don't work out as it is right now.

 

[CWallace]

In Mac ecosystem it's niche, go to Wallstreet and ask for high frequency trading and the hardware they're using right now...

Those are folks who fight over real-estate to shorten their distance to the ISP backbones so they can get trades in fractions of a second quicker. That's pretty niche.

 

[ct2k7]

Yesterday I got some hands-on time with the 16" MBP and contemplating whether or not it would be adequate replacement for my cMP.
My main concern is battery degradation, as it would probably be plugged in 95% of the time. Does anybody have an idea of how bad deterioration would be in that scenario?
I bought my MBP 12,1 three years ago, and now its battery health is at 85%. But that's with careful charging habits and low usage.

Another concern is throttling, of course.

Frankly, right now the MBP looks like a better deal than both the Mini and iMac. Chances of me getting the next Mac Pro are slim. The economics just don't work out as it is right now.

I started to play around with one at the Apple Store yesterday and my concerns about it were primarily ergonomics for me, it just felt huge (maybe I could get used to it) and for me... the keyboard is better but the tactile feedback isn’t as good as I thought it would be. For the price it is being sold at, it has to be pretty much perfect for me.

 

[Mikael H]

My main concern is battery degradation, as it would probably be plugged in 95% of the time. Does anybody have an idea of how bad deterioration would be in that scenario?

My late 2013 retina MacBook Pro is pretty much being used in this way: Plugged in at the office and often plugged in at home at least three-four afternoons a week plus most weekends.
I replaced its battery this summer, not because the battery time had degraded beyond realistic usability (for me, that is) but because of swelling. So that’s over five years of no babying at all.

 

[ct2k7]

My late 2013 retina MacBook Pro is pretty much being used in this way: Plugged in at the office and often plugged in at home at least three-four afternoons a week plus most weekends.
I replaced its battery this summer, not because the battery time had degraded beyond realistic usability (for me, that is) but because of swelling. So that’s over five years of no babying at all.

I've not noticed any degradation on my 13 in MBP from about 2 years ago - it's mostly docked as I can't stand the keyboard.

 

[DoofenshmirtzEI]

Yesterday I got some hands-on time with the 16" MBP and contemplating whether or not it would be adequate replacement for my cMP.
My main concern is battery degradation, as it would probably be plugged in 95% of the time. Does anybody have an idea of how bad deterioration would be in that scenario?
I bought my MBP 12,1 three years ago, and now its battery health is at 85%. But that's with careful charging habits and low usage.

Another concern is throttling, of course.

Frankly, right now the MBP looks like a better deal than both the Mini and iMac. Chances of me getting the next Mac Pro are slim. The economics just don't work out as it is right now.

I have an 11,1 (mid-2014) that is almost always plugged in (cycle count: 17!), used heavily daily, zero care taken with charging habits (except for the note below about heat), and there is virtually no battery degradation (capacity 96% of original). Contrary to common wisdom, I'm pretty sure keeping it plugged in all the time doesn't hurt the battery.

My MPB before that one died due to battery swelling (well, it didn't die, I just chose to get a new one rather than replace the battery, as it was pretty old). I'm told by someone pretty knowledgeable about batteries that the #1 cause of battery swelling in these types of batteries is charging it when it is hot, and that's consistent with how the old MPB went. We have A/C now, and no swelling problems anymore.

 

[H. Flower]

I just had another brilliant idea: Maybe they can realize the BTO Options? That way we could plan for the end/beginning of the year.

Just brainstormin'

 

[Korican100]

I just had another brilliant idea: Maybe they can realize the BTO Options? That way we could plan for the end/beginning of the year.

Just brainstormin'

we were actually just talking about that in another thread.
But after much debate, we all came to the conclusion that Apple should probably release BTO options. That way we could plan for the end/beginning of the year.

 

[majus]

I just had another brilliant idea: Maybe they can realize the BTO Options? That way we could plan for the end/beginning of the year.

Just brainstormin'

Not a new idea. You are wishing we lived in a perfect world, aren't you?

 

[wa5655]

I think Tim Apple is waiting for the Trump tour to happen before releasing the BTO pricing.

 

[jccmaxon]

5000$ iMac Pro —-> 5500€

6000$ Mac Pro ——>. ¿6600€?

 

[davidec]

I think Tim Apple is waiting for the Trump tour to happen before releasing the BTO pricing.

'Now, Donald. If you give me that 15% cut I can pass it on to readers of MacRumors which has one million registered users whom are predominately made up of US Citizens. I'll even post it there anonymously which may help you in 2020. Win/Win.'

 

[goMac]

If my Mac Pro has even a hint of orange bronzer on it when it finally shows up I'm sending it back.

 

[airdrop]

The long and short of it - Apple has all but abandond the Mac as a viable heavy-duty workstation for any but the most affluent customers - which are a limited amount of bulk buying companies .

False statement.

You got pretty all professional segments covered. The iMac Pro is now for all of those who’ve bought MacPro’s before. Performance wise it’s a monster.
The new MacPro is now for heavy duty stuff overcoming the old MacPro in many ways.

As for the less “savvy performance wise” users you got i9 iMac with lots of power, MacBooks Pros and eventually macMini.

All covered pretty nicely.

It’s all about people bitching about “naming” forgetting what they really need. Yesterday it was MacPro, today it might be just an iMac.

Stop complaining and answer yourself what you really needs are.

xoxo

 

[Mikael H]

5000$ iMac Pro —-> 5500€

6000$ Mac Pro ——>. ¿6600€?

Your price will be something like this:
$6000 Mac Pro * <your country's VAT> * <the current exchange rate> + <Apple's margins for your specific country (look at current iPhone prices for hints).

For Sweden that looks like 6000 * 1,25 * 9,66 = SEK 72450; likely to be rounded up to 73995 or some other nice "round" number to account for possible currency fluctuations.

 

[ct2k7]

Your price will be something like this:
$6000 Mac Pro * <your country's VAT> * <the current exchange rate> + <Apple's margins for your specific country (look at current iPhone prices for hints).

For Sweden that looks like 6000 * 1,25 * 9,66 = SEK 72450; likely to be rounded up to 73995 or some other nice "round" number to account for possible currency fluctuations.

Yeh, that's enough for me to not consider it, and go to Windows... since as much as I want a Mac for my job, I can do it on a non-Mac machine.

 

[Mikael H]

Yeh, that's enough for me to not consider it, and go to Windows... since as much as I want a Mac for my job, I can do it on a non-Mac machine.

The Mac will be nice and quiet and look shiny doing its work, but yes, unless your job requires what the machine brings to the table in terms of expandability there is little practical use in plowing down money in one.

As others have pointed out multiple times over the span of this thread, there's the iMac Pro if you just need a Xeon workstation at a more affordable price point, and the regular iMac if you can do without Xeons+ECC RAM. But absolutely: Expandability is limited with these latter choices compared to a proper tower cabinet filled with commodity hardware.

 

[OkiRun]

'Now, Donald. If you give me that 15% cut I can pass it on to readers of MacRumors which has one million registered users whom are predominately made up of US Citizens. I'll even post it there anonymously which may help you in 2020. Win/Win.'

Tim should dangle the carrot - transition the entire .gov to apple computers and I'll bring back more jobs.

 

[Oculus Mentis]

I'm not really sure of this laptop especially in its maxed out configuration. I would rather buy a medium specced iMac together with a low specced Macbook Pro or Air for those tasks I need to do from the sofa or when on the move...

EDIT: Wrong thread. Meh!

 

[Pressure]

As others have pointed out multiple times over the span of this thread, there's the iMac Pro if you just need a Xeon workstation at a more affordable price point, and the regular iMac if you can do without Xeons+ECC RAM. But absolutely: Expandability is limited with these latter choices compared to a proper tower cabinet filled with commodity hardware.

Affordable price point. $4,995.00. Yeah, about that...

 

[defjam]

False statement.

You got pretty all professional segments covered. The iMac Pro is now for all of those who’ve bought MacPro’s before. Performance wise it’s a monster.
The new MacPro is now for heavy duty stuff overcoming the old MacPro in many ways.

As for the less “savvy performance wise” users you got i9 iMac with lots of power, MacBooks Pros and eventually macMini.

All covered pretty nicely.

It’s all about people bitching about “naming” forgetting what they really need. Yesterday it was MacPro, today it might be just an iMac.

Stop complaining and answer yourself what you really needs are.

xoxo

The people who are "complaining" are people who want a less expensive, headless, internally expandable Mac. Something that Apple currently does not offer. This is not some esoteric system, it is something I can see a lot of Mac users buying (more so than the 7,1 Mac Pro). To brand these people as complaining is unreasonable.

 

[thisisnotmyname]

The people who are "complaining" are people who want a less expensive, headless, internally expandable Mac. Something that Apple currently does not offer. This is not some esoteric system, it is something I can see a lot of Mac users buying (more so than the 7,1 Mac Pro). To brand these people as complaining is unreasonable.

The reason it's seen as complaining is that Apple isn't going to make that machine but here on the forums we have to listen to people pine for it multiple times a day. Gruber asked Craig and Greg in an interview on stage at WWDC "why can't they just make a big tower and 'poop it out'?" and Greg answered "I think you're confusing us with a different computer company." It's not going to happen. Several frequent posters here have said that they've moved on to Windows as a result yet ironically they keep hanging around to remind everyone here that they've "moved on". It gets old for those of us who are still in the Apple ecosystem to see a bunch of people post daily about how they think our systems of choice suck. Maybe it's time for those folks to switch to a Microsoft forum and complain about the lack of a Surface Desktop Pro.

Bottom line, repeating the same negative comments every day on a forum full of customers (not product managers for Apple) is perfectly reasonable to call complaining. Filling out https://www.apple.com/feedback/ with those ideas would not.

 

[Stephen.R]

there is little practical use in plowing down money in one.

Lower TCO is a pretty practical "use".

I'm not sure what alternatives people use, but multiple studies over the years have shown lower TCO with Macs than comparable Windows PCs.

Usually the TCO stuff is based on a typical company with IT dept etc, but as I mentioned earlier, you also need to consider if a different platform will mean more time wasted to fix a problem.

 

[chfilm]

The reason it's seen as complaining is that Apple isn't going to make that machine but here on the forums we have to listen to people pine for it multiple times a day. Gruber asked Craig and Greg in an interview on stage at WWDC "why can't they just make a big tower and 'poop it out'?" and Greg answered "I think you're confusing us with a different computer company." It's not going to happen. Several frequent posters here have said that they've moved on to Windows as a result yet ironically they keep hanging around to remind everyone here that they've "moved on". It gets old for those of us who are still in the Apple ecosystem to see a bunch of people post daily about how they think our systems of choice suck. Maybe it's time for those folks to switch to a Microsoft forum and complain about the lack of a Surface Desktop Pro.

Bottom line, repeating the same negative comments every day on a forum full of customers (not product managers for Apple) is perfectly reasonable to call complaining. Filling out https://www.apple.com/feedback/ with those ideas would not.

thank you for that.

 

[Mikael H]

Lower TCO is a pretty practical "use".

I'm not sure what alternatives people use, but multiple studies over the years have shown lower TCO with Macs than comparable Windows PCs.

Usually the TCO stuff is based on a typical company with IT dept etc, but as I mentioned earlier, you also need to consider if a different platform will mean more time wasted to fix a problem.

1) I assumed that the poster, like I, is able to transition relatively smoothly between platforms, and that he, unlike me, isn't frustrated by the Windows experience, since he mentioned that as a viable alternative. For such a user, the choice of platform doesn't necessarily add or subtract a lot to the TCO.
2) If the poster can get a - for their needs - equivalent computing platform several thousand dollars cheaper than the price of a Mac Pro, that generates a palpable difference in TCO that may be hard to compensate for just in terms of a smoother OS experience. But the latter indicates that a Mac Pro isn't really the kind of computer they need.