That's why they're expressing their dissatisfaction.
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They're expressing their dissatisfaction with the Mac Pro. The only ones "arguing" are those who continue to fault them for expressing their dissatisfaction.
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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)
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Great. Message received. We all understand and acknowledge your opinion. But no one here can help you get an xMac.
There's no reason to think that's real. They wouldn't have any data that the rest of us don't, several people here have connections and haven't been able to get pricing yet.
It's not my opinion and now that you understand you can stop reading and responding to those who hold such an opinion.
Why don't you go post in the MacBook Pro or iMac forums in since those are the forums that talk about mid end Macs? Why not the Mac mini forum?
A mid end Mac doesn't replace the Mac Pro, which I think is why people are annoyed. They both can't be the same Mac. So there isn't any reason to hijack Mac Pro threads over any other product thread.
Apple's replacement for the mid end Mac Pro seems to be the MacBook Pro. Why aren't you over in that forum telling MacBook Pro users that it's not a replacement for the xMac?
Again, I am not the one complaining. I am merely attempting to illustrate to others why people are "complaining". If you feel these posts are inappropriate for the forum then I suggest you flag them and let the moderators address the issue. Otherwise complaining about the "complaining" isn't helpful.
I think all of your posts have been very respectful and well stated regardless of whether I've agreed with you or not (and I've both agreed and disagreed with you at times). I think there are others here that are just making petty posts about a company that doesn't produce the product the poster wants or even flat out trolling. Report -> Troll, is probably the best thing for those.
Soon enough we'll be too busy with our modular Mac Pros to read what the haters write anyway
Funny that you mention that but this forum would be a lot less active if people were to only focus on what we know of the 7,1 Mac Pro. While you may disagree with those posts at least they provide something to discuss.I think all of your posts have been very respectful and well stated regardless of whether I've agreed with you or not (and I've both agreed and disagreed with you at times). I think there are others here that are just making petty posts about a company that doesn't produce the product the poster wants or even flat out trolling. Report -> Troll, is probably the best thing for those.
Soon enough we'll be too busy with our modular Mac Pros to read what the haters write anyway
As for their being haters I don't see many haters. I see a lot of people who are expressing their dissatisfaction with Apple. I don't consider that hate.
I think best case scenario for the xMac crowd is that Apple expands the Mac mini up a bit (when it gets upgraded if it gets 8 cores that will help) and/or that Apple ends up offering a similar offering to the old single-socket Mac Pros down the line—only half the RAM slots, fewer core SKUs, maybe only support for one specialty module) but I can't really see Apple putting that much effort into two substantially different SKUs.
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Everyone here knows there are people who are dissatisfied with Apple. No one is in disagreement with that.
But again, I'm unsure why that anger isn't being vented towards the MacBook Pro or Mac mini. The Mac Pro is a different class of product. It's not a mid end Mac. And to a lot of people here, it's a good thing that the Mac Pro isn't a mid end Mac.
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Meanwhile,
- Z1 tower
- Z2 mini
- Z2 small form factor
- Z2 tower
- Z4
- Z6
- Z8
Z Workstation Desktops PCs
Z Workstation desktop PCs are high-performance and powerful PCs to help you from data processing to 3D rendering and editing.
It's not totally an unfair point but we're also talking about the company that couldn't build a working laptop keyboard for three years so maybe we should take things one step at a time.
If you know then why do you continue to read their posts? I am truly puzzled as to why you continue to read posts you have no interest in.
Because the people voicing their dissatisfaction are (were) Mac Pro users? Because their requirements best align with the Mac Pro?
When?
Apple hasn't made a Mac Pro with PCIe slots for 6 years. Nothing has changed for mid end users that wasn't true last year.
According to you they don't.
Look, if Apple built the Mac Pro as a mid end machine, then there would be a bunch of people complaining that it wasn't high end enough. Plenty of people complained the 5,1 wasn't high end enough.
Either way, someone was going to get the short end of the stick. There is no scenario where everyone gets what they want out of the same machine.
People who want a mid end Mac at least have other options. People who want a high end Mac only have the Mac Pro as an option. You can plug a GPU or two into a MacBook Pro. You don't need a Mac Pro for that. I understand want. But that's not the same thing as require.
I'm not going to argue about this anymore. For someone who faults others for complaining you certainly do your share complaining about it.
Again: If you feel the people are out of line then flag their posts and let the moderators address it. Your whining about the complaining isn't constructive.
This thread is about the 7,1, and I've been in it from nearly the beginning. If you don't want to talk about the 7,1 or the participants in this thread I don't know why you're posting here.
They may hoping for apple purchasers to accidently miss a payment, not make the minimum amount payment, or go over the time period and thereby being hit with 20% on the remaining balance. All of those are possible with a 25k balance.
Why defend Apple? Mac Pro had been a perfect start machine for pro-sumer, with just right price level. All changed with the introduction of 7.1 which, with same name, is a totally different target market product.
Mac Pro prosumers were wanting to upgrade their mac pro since 2013. They got to be frustrated.
Mac Pro prosumers were wanting to upgrade their mac pro since 2013. They got to be frustrated.
Agree, with the exception that the market has been around for at least two decades... the power Mac G3 and G4’s were great products for their time. They weren’t exactly “workstation class” but certainly carried their weight. I’d love a lower price point, but when configuring a 16” MacBook Pro I am already near or exceeding a base Mac Pro... just have to deal with it
In 2007, I started and ran my LLC with a MacBook. With the power of the new 16" MacBook Pro - I suspect that's an easy thing to do in 2019 as well.Agree, with the exception that the market has been around for at least two decades... the power Mac G3 and G4’s were great products for their time. They weren’t exactly “workstation class” but certainly carried their weight. I’d love a lower price point, but when configuring a 16” MacBook Pro I am already near or exceeding a base Mac Pro... just have to deal with it
Agree, with the exception that the market has been around for at least two decades... the power Mac G3 and G4’s were great products for their time. They weren’t exactly “workstation class” but certainly carried their weight. I’d love a lower price point, but when configuring a 16” MacBook Pro I am already near or exceeding a base Mac Pro... just have to deal with it
A lot of this goes back to the original 9600/8600 split. The 8600 was the mid end, the 9600 was the high end. But when they did the Power Mac G3, they built it off the 8600 and discontinued the 9600. So the Power Mac line become mid end, and Apple stepped out of the high end workstation market.
They dipped their toe back in with the G5, which was decidedly more expensive and high end. But the new Mac Pro really feels like the successor to the 9600 in a lot of ways. The 9600 had a high PCI and RAM slot count, which the new Mac Pro shares.
The 9600 crowd has always wanted a massive slot successor, and they finally got one. It makes a lot of sense with high end GPUs getting larger and more power intensive. The old Mac Pro design just don't make much sense when it can only fit one GPU assuming you have a few other cards. Even two modern GPUs is a tight (but possible) fit in the old design.
.... I’d love a lower price point, but when configuring a 16” MacBook Pro I am already near or exceeding a base Mac Pro... just have to deal with it
MBP 16" gets no where near the MP 2019 entry price. If you flip every possible option ( including the $2,200 8TB internal drive) then yes. If you simply leave that 8TB internal SSD alone, then can't hit the mark at all. That is only an exercise of how to hand over the max amount money to Apple. Their SSD prices are whacked. If simply don't grossly over pay for the internal SSD then there is a substantive gap between the MBP and the entry MBP.
The MP 2019 probably will have a $2,300 or $2,400 priced 8TB drive too. If made it 8TB vs 8TB internal they' be no where near each other. For the Mac Pro there are exceedingly few good reasons to by that 8TB configuration. ( 4 x $400 2TB Samsung Evo + $400 for a 4xM.2 add in card is $2K ; $200 cheaper and faster bandwidth if RAID those up. ) .
Whenever folks flip every possible BTO switch maximum and then trying to couch that as in the "normative zone" , that just looney toons. Almost nobody is flipping everything all the way to the max and actually buying.