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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)
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Oh I’m so sorry.
TX is an abbreviation for Texas, the US state where at least American-bought Mac Pros will be assembled.
I must apologise again for the previous confusion.
Oh I’m so sorry.
TX is an abbreviation for Texas, the US state where at least American-bought Mac Pros will be assembled.
I must apologise again for the previous confusion.
Now you're just being an arse....I live in TX.
I'm not able to say much more than that. Feel free to search my posts but I haven't said, and can't say, a lot.
I doubt Apple will have different GPU options by release time tbh but the 5700XT is significantly faster than the 580 at basically everything.
I miss those days.We need blurry elevator photos….
"Faster" was probably not the top 5 property the 580X was picked for. "time to market" for a card was probably #2. supports six DP 1.4v streams was probably #1 (minimal to drive a XDR with host TBv3 ports). Cost is probably in there too. "runs cool enough" to be a half width MPX module was probably in there too.
Time to market and cost is probably not better than the 580X at this point at all. I find it extremely doubtful that 100% of all work was done and completely bug free on the other 3 cards earlier this Fall. ( Where was the copious spare time to work on these? Apple has trotted out a couple of embedded GPUs this year in other systems too. ). Apple seriously doesn't need to ship a half baked, buggy Mac Pro.... especially at $6K. Make it work, then make it "faster".
The 580 class had working stable drivers already (baseline implementation had been used embedded in other Macs). AMD was probably looking to get some 12nm variants out the door (which doesn't conflict with the limited 7nm wafer starts they had/have available. ). If it got into a contest between Navi14 and Navi10 the item going in the MBP 16" probably would win the limited resources battle. the Vega II also are probably way higher on the priority list for limited resources. The Mac Pro 2019 is basically toast if those two don't perform well and smoothly. In a driver maturity and stability comparison it probably isn't even close. ( and back in November-December last year or earlier is completely no contest. Navi was had significant completely show stopper bugs last Oct 2018. AMD sent out whispers that the first dies were great in early Oct and then big "ooops". . )
There is a decent chance a Navi10 (5700) based card can probably run faster and cooler. The MBP 16" will probably be a helpful "pipe cleaner" in shaking out general Navi bugs and there will be better (mature) drivers in several months. (that will check another box). The Navi10 dies will be cheaper in 5-6 months too or at least more easily available ( Apple and AMD and others will be pulling their leading edge stuff out of 'plain' 7nm wafter starts. ) (and that will check another box).
I confirmed with ibuildmacs that the pricing on their site is not based on apple backchannel info, just the fact that the specific parts in the builds are known, and going off that.
But...we have a photo of Calvin Harris's mac pro to keep us engaged and satisfied ! Yay!
Just looking at the age for the Mac Pro, with the Duo cards, will one of the two on the card be more thermally throttled when working at maximum? Presumably the heated up dirty air from the one nearer the front will be blowing over the second one downwind?
If Tim allows Trump to "throw out the first pitch" and release the Mac Pro pricing in the speeches after the Austin tour I will fall on the floor laughing. It will be one for the history books.
Based on comments from the web, Trump may be a no-show in Austin. Allegations that he has serious medical issues right now.
My working theory is that two co-joined GPUs with a 64GB VRAM "pool" will have an easier time with 8K material, particularly north of 30fps, than two single cards in their own slots even if they boast 32GB VRAM each. In particular, I'd be looking for higher resistance to buffer overrun crashes and reduced/eliminated stuttering during review.
From replies I've received - The Afterburner will cut through 6k - 8k like butter assuming it is ProRes. "joined GPUs" - are you talking about the Vega II Duo?
FWIW, ATM, the Afterburner card is the "wildcard" in all this. What loads will it take off the GPU(s)?
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Yes, discussing the pros and cons of the Vega II Duo vs Vega II solo cards in their own x16 slots. One poster threw some shade on proximity and airflow issues common to co-located cards - good tip. I'll be sure and investigate that issue prior to purchase.
I'm hoping that the Vega II Duo will be able to address all 64GB of VRAM to better buffer 8K video.
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Yes, discussing the pros and cons of the Vega II Duo vs Vega II solo cards in their own x16 slots. One poster threw some shade on proximity and airflow issues common to co-located cards - good tip. I'll be sure and investigate that issue prior to purchase.
I'm hoping that the Vega II Duo will be able to address all 64GB of VRAM to better buffer 8K video.
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Meanwhile,
- Z1 tower
- Z2 mini
- Z2 small form factor
- Z2 tower
- Z4
- Z6
- Z8
Z Workstation Desktops PCs
Z Workstation desktop PCs are high-performance and powerful PCs to help you from data processing to 3D rendering and editing.www8.hp.com
And here we have the opposite problem. What the hell is the difference between all these machines? The Elitedesk 705 and Z1 have the exact same "perfect for" text. These machines start with Celerons and Integrated graphics, which are terrible for even light workloads. Trying to compare the Z2 and the Z4 and the link to "quick specs" on the Z4 links to the Z6 instead. It's a damn mess, and actively reducing the likelihood I get a machine I want. The perfect example of having way too many choices.
FYI
Radeon W5700 has launched.
Radeon W5700 has launched.
Some of the machines (Z..2 I think?) compare against e.g. a Mac mini.
But the basic problem you've pointed out, I see whenever anyone says "X is cheaper than a Mac <Y>" - Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc - the customer is faced with a product range that has literally thousands, if not millions of possible permutations, and often confusing choices to get there.
Go look at the configure page for the 'Z2 mini' page - before you can pick specific options, you have a choice of "Base": 'Entry', 'Performance' or 'High Performance'. These aren't just sets of defaults.. they somehow affect the other choices available (but it doesn't explain how or what change this actually makes. Maybe it's the mainboard used?). Even more weird - pick the "High Performance" base, and it defaults to a SATA SSD.
Oh.. and, trying to see if the same applies to other categories: the Z2 tower has the same "base" section, but with only one choice you can't change, but it then goes on to refer to a choice of RAID0 or RAID1 as, I **** you not:
Really HP? You've been making enterprise RAID arrays for how many decades, and that is the best description you could find for a RAID0/1 choice on a workstation? I hope someone ****ing sues you for misleading **** like that.
The "base" choice refers to the system unit itself. For example "HP Z2 G4 Tower Workstation". I.e. you've selected a Z2 G4 Tower and not a Z4 G4 Tower.
Really? This is a concern to you? How HP has labeled the RAID configuration area on the customization page? Really?
All that said let me help you select a Z2 workstation:
HP Z2 Mini G4 Workstation
Easy, peasy.
The paradox of choice is an absolute reality. Only fools believe more choices are always better (or that they are immune to such pressures.)