That is a presentation plate made specially to give the President. The woman who presented it to him said that.
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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)
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It does. At around 45 s you can see the Pros with only the bottom part of the box on.
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Let's please keep the political comments out of the thread and stick to Mac Pro discussion. Thanks
Let's please keep the political comments out of the thread and stick to Mac Pro discussion. Thanks
I named it the ncgmMP but to be fair it also could've named the IkeaMacPro o iMP for fanboys.
Of course, the colloquial acronym on this site for the iMac Pro is iMP so no confusion there...
Of course, the colloquial acronym on this site for the iMac Pro is iMP so no confusion there...
When I occasionally abbreviate (which isn't often) I use mMP (modular Mac Pro).
I don’t understand the obsession with these names. It literally has a 3 character identifier that leaves nothing to confusion. They all do.
If you don’t remember the identifier (which is fine)... a year is just four characters. Hell you could just use two if you wish, it’s not like anyone’s gonna care in 80 years.
If you don’t remember the identifier (which is fine)... a year is just four characters. Hell you could just use two if you wish, it’s not like anyone’s gonna care in 80 years.
What about the imMP (the Ikea modular Mac pro) or the kMP (the kitchen aid Mac Pro)...
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Selling short my Intel stocks.
I checked and it's positive, Van Gogh it's an Apu, likely it should debut on The next gen MBP 14 and Mac mini, it's the very best news from apple this year, thanks Koyoot
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Selling short my Intel stocks.
I checked and it's positive, Van Gogh it's an Apu, likely it should debut on The next gen MBP 14 and Mac mini, it's the very best news from apple this year, thanks Koyoot
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Likewise it's safe to bet on threadripper iMac Pro also Ryzen 7 / 9 iMac for next WWDC, maybe an imMP based on Epyc? What about a trashcan re-boot (not named Mac pro), based on 16 core Ryzen plus a Vega II Duo or dual RX 5700...
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You will have to wait loooong time before you will see Threadripper/EPYC Mac Pro. iMac Pro is much more likely option, but think about it this way.
3950X is faster than 18 core CPU from iMac Pro, while using much less power. So even standard iMac, with this CPU would blow past iMac Pro.
About AMD in Apple computers. It appears I was wrong. There are ALL of AMD Zen1/Zen+/Zen2 based APUs in latest MacOS Catalina Beta:
Including Zen2 Based, ureleased Renoir. It will be released in Q1 2020.
It simply means that people in Apple headquarters are testing stability of the OS on AMD products, on the CPU side.
We won't find CPU deviceID's in graphics drivers, for Threadrippers, and EPYC CPUs, but seeing all of AMD APU hardware at this point pretty much confirms that we should expect AMD CPU based computers since 2020. Be it, straight forward, off the shelf products, or Semi-Custom products.
P.S. I would love to see a Mac Mini Pro in the form of a smaller trash can, with Ryzen CPUs and Navi 10 GPU.
I might then even consider going back to Mac, from Linux.
Ii remember an article from Bloomberg saying Apple by 2020 to begin ditching Intel for their "own" CPU, people naive implies it was for arm architecture, but missed AMD also license Zen IP and Zen IP is compatible with TSMC 7nm which apple has secured production capacity in excess.
So Apple even may rebrand those Apple-Made Zen CPU with different names maybe "Apple M1" Cpu instead Ryzen 3950 etc.
I think a timeframe to migrate to Zen, the obvious first Mac with Zen had to be the Mac mini and iMac, maybe MacBook s too (not sure about MBP14), the iMac Pro it's also (if not discontinued) a good candidate for a single Vega ii and a Threadripper as both fit the iMac Pro 500W thermal capacity.
A Mac pro 8,1epyc based shouldn't delay beyond 2021as Apple wants to ditch Intel, the MacBook pro is where things still favor Intel at least in upcoming 2 years.
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The Bloomberg article actually only said that Apple would be dumping Intel.
It was assumed that meant ARM CPUs, and the article leaned that way. But Apple making their own CPU was never actually part of the real substance of the rumor.
Apple using ARM CPUs is still likely, but I don't think it has to be exclusive.
Did you quote yourself and in the same post that you quoted from??
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XD.
No. Zen 2 APUs will be at least as fast as Intel mobile CPUs, while being more efficient. There is nothing favoring Intel on mobile, since AMD Renoir. AMD will have equally good product, or better.
Renoir is 8C/16T design, with possibility that it is 15 CU iGPU(faster than Nvidia MX150).
If Apple was "ready" to move to AMD as their Mac family CPU supplier, don't you think would have done it with the Mac Pro 7,1? I mean here is a machine that was 30 months from announcement to shipping so that would have been plenty of time for Apple to design it around AMD CPUs and it would have been the model that such a move would have had the most performance impact (vis-a-vis Intel W3000 series Xeons).
Personally, I see this as just Apple staying current with alternative x86 architectures as a contingency plan should they need to move away from Intel. But I believe they intend to stay with Intel until they move to their own ARM-based chips (which itself will likely be a long staged roll-out).
Personally, I see this as just Apple staying current with alternative x86 architectures as a contingency plan should they need to move away from Intel. But I believe they intend to stay with Intel until they move to their own ARM-based chips (which itself will likely be a long staged roll-out).
I don't think Apple's exclusivity agreement with Intel has ended yet. Or if it has, just barely.
It was brilliant move by Apple by going with Intel CPUs for Mac Pro.
That way next time, when they will have 64 AMD cores, they can milk current gen buyers, by giving them significantly better product, that those customers HAVE TO buy, and cannot simply change parts.
Business is business.
From technical side: We will see Apple computers with AMD CPUs the moment they have USB4 with Thunderbolt protocol.
You can have Thunderbolt 3 on AMD platform, right now, but there are not that many MoBo producres who offer this option.
Is there such a thing? I've never heard of such and in 2011 Apple was seriously looking at using the AMD Llano APU in the Air before AMD stuffed production so Apple had to "fall back" to Intel.
Hey, it worked for the 5,1 to 6,1 transition, right?
What upgrade path do you have with Intel's dead platform, anyway?Hey, it worked for the 5,1 to 6,1 transition, right?
Current design gives you just an illusion of upgradeability. Those 28 core CPUs are top of the line you will ever get on this platform, anything else Intel will release in future will require new Socket, new MoBos, or - will be BGA.
You can effectively just swap GPUs, RAM, add an SSD or HDD, and work with all Intel have for this specific socket.
No. Because AMD wasn't ready around two years ago.
Folks are judging AMD on being able to "walk the walk , to back up their talk" in 2018 and 2019. Well that wasn't 2017. These products have longer lead times that folks want to account for.
I suspect though at this point that Apple is about as 'done' with Intel's "dog ate my homework" messaging as most of the Mac Pro use base is done with Apple's variation of the same excuse.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/1513...customers-apologizing-for-cpu-shipment-delays
Minimally Apple is lobbing 15-inch cannon shells in the direction of Intel with these zen2 and other support being weaved into macOS at this latest version coming up. That's probably where a major contributor to the "Apple is dumping Intel" reporting over last year or so. ( Plus the being way past pissed off at the Intel modem work too. ).
There wasn't really a good reason to jump to AMD in 2019 if they were going to flake in a similar fashion to Intel 2019. Remember Navi stumbled into a ditch in late 2018 so AMD's record is not spotless. But I suspect Intel just straight up lied to Apple in NDA about just how big the clusterf*ck was with their line up in 2017 time frame.
Intel could have been lining up outsourcing chipset work back in 2016-17 and it would have come online earlier in 2019.
Have you looked at the ODM support AMD has done with firmware fixes and what was their Thunderbolt support maturing level 30 months ago. Did the MP 2013 get timely, energy efficient updates for its GPU from AMD? etc. etc. 30 months ago AMD has something that looked good. Was it really actually going to be good deeply untested.
If LG or Samsung has screwed up on display tech evolution as badly as Intel has screwed up on CPU upgrades over the last 2 years do you really still think they'd be top list Apple suppliers in displays at this point? I suspect Apple has been hoping Intel would clean up their mess. Yanking away the modem division was serious warning #1. I imagine Apple is pretty close to pulling the trigger on at least one Mac model at this point. That would be more than serious warning #2.
The Mac Mini would be a good candidate. It isn't super critical to the product mix and not high volume if have to tack back to Intel in 12 months. The comatose 21.5" "education" model would be another.
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So does AMD Threadripper. The recently introduced models are pragmatically a new socket. There was a new socket on both paths so it isn't materially different Intel or AMD in that respect.
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Thunderbolt is a principle strategic direction for Macs. A few years ago AMD was trying to subvert Thunderbolt. Intel didn't need any exclusivity agreement. AMD was shooting themselves in the foot.
Apple was working together in a highly collaborative manner. It doesn't seem likely that some Intel contract made them do that. That isn't very apple-ish ( we'll do whatever you tell me to do mr. component supplier. ) . Qualcomm and Samsung have tended to get "screw you" types of response when suppliers tried to play that hand. Nvidia appears to be in the boat too.
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Considering that current Threadripper 3000 is based on Zen 2, it would be the very least of what Apple would start designing the computer for
. And most importantly again, we won't see AMD CPU based Mac till AMD CPUs and Chipsets have USB4 with Thunderbolt 3 protocol.Let me tell everybody something at the end. Hearing the news that Intel is designing their own GPUs I thought that it was them who will effectively replace AMD as graphics vendor for Macs, because Intel would give Apple massive discounts for CPU+GPU bundles.
But the way Apple handles MacBook Pro power delivery, for the CPU and GPU, and the fact that they have been doing custom work with AMD previously, alongside all of the AMD APU traces in MacOS Catalina beta validated, to me, that Intel is out, and AMD is in as a CPU vendor. And yes, if there is a hardware vendor that is willing to work closely with any OEM, and design custom hardware - it is AMD.
Massive discounts on a GPU that Apple may not want won't really help. There are actually three different focuses for Intel's Xe. Xe-LP , Xe-HP , and Xe-HPC. From the talk that Intel did this week
and this interview with Koduri , I'm not sure Apple is going to be really estactic about what Intel is doing for three reasons.
First, it looks like they are doing something at both extremes and will increment to the middle. So Xe-LP ("low power" ) and Xe-HPC ( high performance computing) will come first and the Xe-HP will be done 'after' those two ( come in stages perhaps ).
Is Xe-LP going to stretch up to be "Mid-Range" or is Xe-HPC going to come down to hit that mark?
Or is Intel going to try to glue two chiplets ( one X-LP like and one Xe-HP like ) to try to hit midrange?
Pragmatically for 2020-2021 it looks like Xe-LP is mainly iGPUs ( possibly multiple die packaging of CPU-GPU), but that isn't really a bundle in the normal sense if have to buy the whole package. It is just have been doing the last 10+ years in mobile sector.
Second, in the interview they touch on that Intel brought back a chunk of the Larrabee crew. If that is to do version 3.0 and learn from past missteps. Possibly good. Mainly on the Xe-HPC side. Possibly not so good if pragmatically have three different chiplets that all are narrowly focus on different areas. Intel doesn't really have a clear path to mid-enthusiast range solution at this point. Maybe the secret sauce is behind the curtain but not clear now.
Third, while oneAPI may not be necessarily be a large impedance mismatch with Metal, it also isn't trying to track it at the moment either. ( Apple going way offroad from OpenCL I still don't think Apple has clearly thought through how much that is going to put them on an island. ). But as long as Intel isn't making Metal "second class" effort that would still be in the game on this inside of macOS.
So far I think this custom work for AMD seems a bit overstated as being some kind of "all in" Apple investment. Apple just pulled a dog and pony show at Austin factory ( probably to get something they wanted or want going forward). Burping out older (at this point) Zen stuff .... we'll see. Posturing for discounts (and/or higher priority in queues) or mass exodus may depend on a actually earnest "bake off" between the two vendors.