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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)

Why inordinate amount of resources?
Dell and HP surely don't spend too much time and money on their workstations. Neither are doing anything new that Apple hasn't done since G5/MP1,1, but they're still companies that have seriously solid pro offerings.
Apple doesn't.
 
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fuchsdh said:
And what? You expect a company to spend an inordinate amount of its resources on one of its smallest profit makers?
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Yes, I agree. Apple is so close to the breadline with resources these days it's unrealistic to expect them to put even 1% into what used to be their flagship product. I mean, what have top end creative types ever done for Apple? /snark
 
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Beardy man said:
Yes, I agree. Apple is so close to the breadline with resources these days it's unrealistic to expect them to put even 1% into what used to be their flagship product. I mean, what have top end creative types ever done for Apple? /snark
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Again, they're a business. "You should be indebted to me for all time because I was once your primary form of business" is stupid. They don't "owe you" loyalty any more than you owe them for making those products.
 
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I don't necessarily disagree with your point about them being a business (certainly not a computer business, that part was dropped from a name a while back), but when you make pro equipment like a workstation then a company has to expect that people will build infrastructures around said equipment. I for one am into a heap of money on Mac specific software. If I could cross-grade for a minimum amount I would have jumped ship about a year ago. I'm not saying Apple owe me anything (but some sort of pro roadmap would be professional. Chip manufacturers and GPU makers seem to manage this with varying degrees of success but at least they try) but I can at least reserve the right to complain when I feel my investment has been undermined: "can't innovate my ass, this is is the future for the next 10 years" hasn't really lived up to anyone's expectations has it?
 
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fuchsdh said:
And what? You expect a company to spend an inordinate amount of its resources on one of its smallest profit makers?
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I don't think anyone is asking for an "inordinate" amount of money to be spent. I think we are mostly complaining about not having a computer updated, spec bumped, or at least price-dropped in an unprecedented 3 year period. Not to mention nearly the rest of the Mac lineup is also in a similar situation.
 
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While there's a certain trend for things going mobile these days, I'm not sure why people thing that this means regular desktop/laptop computing will change. The underlying technologies will change radically I'm sure, but the form factors have been fairly consistent for many, many years, and I don't see that changing any time soon.

The majority of Apple's 'computers' it sells these days run iOS, and that's fine for basic content creation and consumption. But if you're in the creative industries creating professional content, a mobile device just doesn't cut it. It may well be able to in the future, but then other technologies and standards will move too.

I believe you'll always need 'trucks'; large desktop computers designed to deal with the major heavy lifting; video rendering, complex image processing, sound design/composition/production.

Who knows, if they crack making processes more parallel, everything could run on ARM, be more efficient and much thinner. But currently, that isn't possible, and moving to ARM impractical. That's why Apple should have updated the Mac Pro ages ago, and that's why (for me at least) it's disappointing.
 
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Again, they're a business. "You should be indebted to me for all time because I was once your primary form of business" is stupid. They don't "owe you" loyalty any more than you owe them for making those products.
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I won't argue with that as they have every right to make decisions that are advantageous to their company. If they wish to discontinue the MacPro (or any other Macs), all I ask is that they announce that they are discontinuing the computer(s). I'd be fine with discontinuation so I could make an informed decision once and for all.
 
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JimGoshorn said:
I won't argue with that as they have every right to make decisions that are advantageous to their company. If they wish to discontinue the MacPro (or any other Macs), all I ask is that they announce that they are discontinuing the computer(s). I'd be fine with discontinuation so I could make an informed decision once and for all.
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Right.. Think Thunderbolt Display.
 
fuchsdh said:
And what? You expect a company to spend an inordinate amount of its resources on one of its smallest profit makers?
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I remember when "halo effect" was often mentioned on MR....
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pat500000 said:
Is it safe to say that there won't be mac pro in the future?
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Absolutely. The only question is whether "future" is "Fall 2016" or "Summer 2060". The former is looking more likely.
 
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JimGoshorn said:
I won't argue with that as they have every right to make decisions that are advantageous to their company. If they wish to discontinue the MacPro (or any other Macs), all I ask is that they announce that they are discontinuing the computer(s). I'd be fine with discontinuation so I could make an informed decision once and for all.
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Exactly. Would love to see that kind of leadership from Apple. Is the slow fading out some kind of good business strategy?
 
Mago said:
only real advantage here is the programable haptic engine, all other features Apple just getting current, even the dual camera litro-like variable FOV comes from HTC M7 era ...
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What apple demonstrated doesn't look lytro-like to me. The point of Lytro, as far as I can see, is it takes data from the entire depth of an image, and then you set the focus and depth of field anywhere in the image in post. What apple appears to be doing is using the second camera to generate parallax data in order to isolate foreground, which has a traditional optical focus, from background, so they can apply a software blur on it and simulate depth of field (which is optically a function of sensor size vs aperture). You couldn't use this system to bring something that was not optically focussed on by the lens, into sharp focus in post, for example.

At least thats the impression I have.
 
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http://semiengineering.com/going-to-gate-all-around-fets/

Single design for 7nm process is 271 mln USD. 9 times higher than it was for 28 nm BULK. You may understand right now, why everything is stalling in development of new, next gen chips.

Only way to increase performance on smaller nodes is multiple chips. And that is possible to be achieved only with GPU clusters that are connected together by internal coherent fabrics, and connected to computers by External connection.
 
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What apple demonstrated doesn't look lytro-like to me. The point of Lytro, as far as I can see, is it takes data from the entire depth of an image, and then you set the focus and depth of field anywhere in the image in post. What apple appears to be doing is using the second camera to generate parallax data in order to isolate foreground, which has a traditional optical focus, from background, so they can apply a software blur on it and simulate depth of field (which is optically a function of sensor size vs aperture). You couldn't use this system to bring something that was not optically focussed on by the lens, into sharp focus in post, for example.

At least thats the impression I have.
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Sorry I was talking about the M8 not the M7 I Wrote lytro-like but actually the iPhone 7 camera is a 12mpx version of the 4mpx camera setup on the HTC M8, and if you look at its video there is absolutely no novelty on the iPhone camera just it uses updated 12mpx sensor.

Check out this video from M8 dual sensor camera description and how to :


Even current LG G5 and V20 shares a very similar setup (dual cameras 8/16 mpx continuous "zoom") while it's software isn't as refined as the one from HTC.

What I see its an boring update with am multi million marketing investment specially showing you " innovations " where actually what Apple just did is harvesting on Androids innovation's boneyard.

PD. Y LG's V20 is superior the iPhone 7 in every aspect except:

* back camera sensor 8/16 mpx instead 12/12mpx (but iPhone 7 camera sensor actually is manufactured by LG)
* trades water proofing for removable battery (and a really big one 3200mah)
Front camera is 5mpx (the excellent but explosive Galaxy Note 7 is 8mpx) while iPhone 7 is 7mpx.
* No DCI-P3 color gamut but instead quad hd display on 5.7"
* the cpu snapdragon 820 it's very similar to Apple A10 have to see a comparative performance test (the sd820 is faster than a9 on most tests but consider android 7 new jit compiler it's much more efficient the advantages from A9 should widen, so it should be very close to Apple A10).
* no Ligthning earpods but instead a DRM free 32 bits quad DAC
* Android7 instead iOS 10 but twice the ram (those heavy stalking on Instagram should appreciate this).

Also talking about Samsung"s Note 7: it's IP68 waterproof and has 3.5mm jack, the iPhone 7 has IP67 and no 3.5mm jack.

Further both phones are sensible lighter than the iPhone 7+...

Sadly the best phone today it's a time bomb but it's clear both Samsung's Note 7 and LG V20 Are way better products.

I won't upgrade to the iPhone 7 this year, maybe I'll pick a Note 7 asap they're safe again.
 
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Or simply preparing complete revamp of their desktop hardware.
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Most needed, but from what I see Apple is not hungry, the iPhone 7 is the less impressive iPhone in years (even maybe less than the iPhone 4S).

Next keynote we may see the new MacBooks sure, but I'm not sure we will see the new iMac and Mac Pro and Mini, they're lazy on hardware since Apple has too much money to take care on all its units to be really efficient and competitive.

All we know there are new iMac and Mac Pro in pipeline but Seems they don't care to release until they comeback from vacations and other parties, Apple's r&d workforce is lazy now.
 
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All we know there are new iMac and Mac Pro in pipeline
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Do you have reliable sources about Mac Pro being in pipeline?
I would like to learn something more about it, as I have a thought/fear that they may replace it with an iMac Pro on steroids all in one, just to have a uniformity in their lines by selling only all in ones, like iOS devices, MacBooks and iMacs.
 
This is inevitable fate of all of computer hardware in the future. http://semiengineering.com/going-to-gate-all-around-fets/

Silicon design for 7 nm increased cost 9 times, compared to 28 nm BULK. Only way to get more power from computers on smaller nodes is to get multi chip, and external expansion. Because it is more affordable for consumers, and more profitable for companies, to provide devices, rather than parts.

I have been writing all this for months. And add to this that Like I have already pointed out, 10 nm process is dead. It is feasible for mobile chips, not high performance ones. And 7 nm is still 4 years at least from us.

And one more thing. 14/16 nm designs are 5 times more expensive than 28 nm. Keep this in mind, and do not be shocked by prices of hardware, that is currently sold(Pascal/Polaris).

All of this can be seen already in where Apple is going: Mac Pro Trash can design, focus on external expansion, eGPUs already working in macOS Sierra beta.
 
ManuelGomes said:
I've been saying x86 should be dead for ages but everyone seems to don't care. How is it possible, even with all the updates in between, that we're using today (yes, 2016) almost 40 years old tech?!
Do we still boot in real mode or protected mode?! :)
Come on.
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Actually, in many case you do still boot in real / protected mode then switch to 32 bits for the most part and then go to 64 bits. I recommend you go to OSDev and read up a bit about the boot process.
 
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