In all cases the processor starts up in real mode. Every x86 / x86-64 system initially boots real mode.
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MP 7,1 Waiting for Mac Pro 7,1 A1991 (no more)
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That was actually a rectorical question, I know how it works. 
And that's basically why I - let's say have a thing - with x86. This is all so cumbersome, ridiculous I'd say at this point in time. But hey, maybe it's just me.
In a few decades nobody could come up with something new? Again rectorical, compatibility (and not only that) speaks higher.
And that's basically why I - let's say have a thing - with x86. This is all so cumbersome, ridiculous I'd say at this point in time. But hey, maybe it's just me.
In a few decades nobody could come up with something new? Again rectorical, compatibility (and not only that) speaks higher.
Months ago we read an "leak" fom someone at last Apple FCP.X meeting, and he described the thing as Impressive and he now "understand why the new form factor..." refering to one of its main hardware, actually looking a prototype at least.
Updating the nMP isnt an big issue for Apple, Relleasing w/o a keynote seems a religious thing, I think the updated tcMP (not tim cook Mega P.) should have been the first TB3 product ready at Cuppertino but they dont wanna release a single stand alone TB3 machine w/o the party.
Ao I'm 100 on the next products are very advanced if not in production:
- rMBP (even a Xeon version, since Intel designed Skylake PCH to share socket with its xeon eqv the same logic board should be compatible with both xeon and core PCH -soldered, so you cant swap xeon for core or viceversa-)
- Mac pro
But...
- Mac mini (no idea, no single leak)
- iMac 4K/5K with TB3 and KabbyLake or SkyLake (even Xeon versions) still on intel with AMD GPU, next gen 2017/18 maybe on AMD Zen APU.
- Thunderbolt Display
I still dont Buy the MacBook Air rumour to continue, if updated to Retina means Killing the iPad Pro, no retina meas nobody will buy.
Maybe the Mac lineup is going to be the iMac and some flavor of MacBook. For all but really demanding tasks, the iMac has been showed to compare favorably to a 6 core nMP and in some cases comes close to an 8 core for photo purposes. It's more than enough for apps like Illustrator and InDesign. At first I wondered why Apple would risk cannibalizing sales of the MacPro with the iMac but now, given the situation, I am beginning to wonder...
That was actually a rectorical question, I know how it works.
And that's basically why I - let's say have a thing - with x86. This is all so cumbersome, ridiculous I'd say at this point in time. But hey, maybe it's just me.
In a few decades nobody could come up with something new? Again rectorical, compatibility (and not only that) speaks higher.
I understand you. I always been more of a fan of the Motorola 680xx myself and still own two Amiga 1000. Hell I even bought a book about 680xx assembler lately.
Seeing where they're pushing the iPhone the next MacPro will be even smaller, come with wifi, bluetooth and a single USB-C/TB3 connector. It will be the most cable free computer ever, if you ignore the vast daisychain of dozens of third party dongles to actually connect stuff to it. Mark my words.
Man, I started with 68k assembler and loved it. Can't say the same for x86 though.
[doublepost=1473413431][/doublepost]G, that will be the Mac, a la MacBook. The Pro version will have 4 USB-C ports like the MacBook Pro. Just kidding
[doublepost=1473413431][/doublepost]G, that will be the Mac, a la MacBook. The Pro version will have 4 USB-C ports like the MacBook Pro. Just kidding
Maybe IBM will come up with a consumer and workstation Power CPU.
If those also come with NVLink support, awesome!!!
If those also come with NVLink support, awesome!!!
Do you think that is possible to see Mac updates in the week before Sierra release?
As we have the iOS release a week after the iPhone event, is it possible to have some Mac hardware the week before the release of MacOs - Sierra?
As we have the iOS release a week after the iPhone event, is it possible to have some Mac hardware the week before the release of MacOs - Sierra?
Well, "everything" is possible. It's actually possible Apple announces a brand new Mac Pro tomorrow morning. And it's possible I win to lottery tonight.
Seriously though... I would not count on it, but who knows...
I'm skeptical too but maybe that's why macOS will only come at that time, to wait for new Macs, but doubtful.
I feel sorry for the smaller Apple product retailers. Sales must be really declining. They're not allowed to sell the iPhone so they are stuck trying to make it on Macs and iPads and the iPad is available everywhere.The company behind online retailer Powermax started up the brick and mortar The Mac Store and had six stores in the northwest including one 20 minutes from me when Apple had it's come back. Now there are just two left in Oregon. It really is the post PC era and soon to be post Mac era.
Maybe in some alternative universe. However, in this one this is as likely as an asteroid blowing up the new Apple Space Ship campus tomorrow.
1. IBM sold off their workstation business to Lenovo long, long ago.
2. None of the competitors that Power has in Unix has a workstation offering ( No SPARC , no whatever is left . )
3. The combination of Linux and Windows on x86 killed off the "high end" workstation market for other CPU alternatives almost a decade ago.
OpenPower? Not really buying anything in "desk side" systems either.
tyan's bare bones ( http://www.tyan.com/product_barebones_openpower_power8.aspx) all 1U/2U rack format.
Winstron HPC module ( http://www.anandtech.com/show/10230...-openpower-hpc-server-with-power8-cpus-nvlink) same thing.. 2U/3U rack format.
An "entry" model ~$5K workstation with a ~$4K motherboard ... https://www.raptorengineering.com/TALOS/prerelease.php And folks moan and groan about Mac Pro prices???
Nividia is going to do NVLink between their boards (and GPUs). There is nothing tracking on them doing it with something else in any system not 100% aimed at hardcore server land and IBM specific.
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While not impossible it is extremely unlikely.
1. There is no reason for Apple to announce the Mac products before they are ready to take orders. iPhones are exceptional in that Apple yearly doesn't have enough phones to ship versus the initial demand. The order is skewed here from their standard practices because of the demand/supply imbalance. 2013 Mac Pro and a portion of the MacBook re-intro aside that isn't a major issue for Macs.
Standard Apple convention is only brand new products get an advance ( unless know there is going to be a chronic shortage... e.g. iPhone).
2. iOS released before the new iPhones ship because there is a massive way of software updates from the installed base. The installed macOS user base is 10x smaller than iOS. It isn't the same magnitude of an an issue.
3. Apple recognizes OS upgrades as income. Far more likely that Sept 20 date for macOS has more to do with putting money on Apple book's recognized revenue than any hardware urgency for release. Shortly followed by watch/phone unlock of feature matching of new OS along with other iOS + macOS integration features which won't work unless both are deployed.
Apple is going to have enough drama getting new phones and watches out of the door during most of the rest of September. Macs ( and possible an iPad) will likely wait until October ( just like the last several years. ) .
Besides it is much more likely they will get a more stable systems release if get macOS 10.12.0 GM out the door. Then find any huge SNAFUs and plug those before start imaging 100's of thousands new Macs. Besides if 10.12 just went GM what they heck would they have been imaging the macs with that were being produced for the last 3-4 weeks with?
( yes the iPhones are probably all doing some amount of 'pull' on bootup. but the hardware driver ecosystems is much less narrow as macOS. )
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Not allowed or don't qualify? Those are two substantively different things. BestBuy sells Macs and iPhones, but they have volume (hence qualify).
Errr, the Cellphone vendors sell iPhones. They have a larger retail presence than Apple does if moaning about "retailer next door so competition too much". Walmart (and all the big box stores ) sell iPhones. Amazon and B&H sell iPhones ( lots of folks 'show room' products in local location and then turn around and buy online). Selling iPhones probably wouldn't have helped relatively small shops compete.
Customers are sitting on PCs longer. So unless a smaller shop can make money on service (or some other 'inbetween major upgrade' sales) they aren't really viable. It isn't an Apple thing it is across the business ting.
What, specifically, issues do you have with the x86 / x86-64 processors? What is cumbersome about them? As could they come up with a new design they did: Itanium. No one wanted to use it due to its poor support for x86 applications.That was actually a rectorical question, I know how it works.
And that's basically why I - let's say have a thing - with x86. This is all so cumbersome, ridiculous I'd say at this point in time. But hey, maybe it's just me.
In a few decades nobody could come up with something new? Again rectorical, compatibility (and not only that) speaks higher.
I was under the impression that The Mac Store changed over to Simply Mac, or atleast thats one of my local ones did.
Still it was an odd experience walking through especially with so many Apple Stores nearby.
Jumping in sideways here with some musings about the A10Fusion; from the info given out so far we know it is technically a quad-core, but practically a dual-core because the other two cores are meant for low-power operation, not performance. We also knows it runs at 2.2 GHz. Its single-core Geekbench 4 score clocks in at 3233.
With this info, I wonder if one could extrapolate theoretical numbers of a potential true quad-core Apple CPU running at 3GHz, unimpeded by low-power restrictions?
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https://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/08/iphone-7-plus-a10-fusion-chip-benchmark/
With this info, I wonder if one could extrapolate theoretical numbers of a potential true quad-core Apple CPU running at 3GHz, unimpeded by low-power restrictions?
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https://www.macrumors.com/2016/09/08/iphone-7-plus-a10-fusion-chip-benchmark/
I see that now. The Mac Store in my area closed and a search for some reason showed two in Oregon. It looks like the Mac Store and probably Powermax also was bought out by Simply Mac. Simply Mac is a national chain owned by GameStop Corp which is based in Salt Lake City, UT. They do sell iPhones.
Once you ask it to run a full OS, (not iOS), I’m wondering how much left it’ll have in the tank.
Simply mac succcccccccccccccks.
Sorry it's hard to really articulate all the passion and emotion when I say they succccccccccccccck.
Being in salt lake, we have 2 apple stores as well as expercom and Best Buy, would never go to simply mac...
iOS is a full OS. Remember when SJ introduced the original iPhone and said "iPhone runs OSX"? And it wasn't even called iOS until 2010.
MacOS may or may not be slightly heavier on resources as there wasn't as much need to trim it down for low-power chips, but I'd be surprised if it was by an order of magnitude.
Maybe some of the devs who build stuff for both platforms here can chime in on this?
Skylake Xeon ES spotted on Zauba:
http://wccftech.com/intel-skylake-xeon-v5-processor-lineup/
Stepping B0 looks good as to approaching final silicon.
Will Apple wait another couple quarters for it? It would be almost four years with no updates but a hell of a machine.
Worth the wait?!
[doublepost=1473518668][/doublepost]Tim hasn't given up on the Mac yet and in fact he loves the Mac. News soon.
http://wccftech.com/tim-cook-responds-email-committed-mac-stay-tuned/
http://wccftech.com/intel-skylake-xeon-v5-processor-lineup/
Stepping B0 looks good as to approaching final silicon.
Will Apple wait another couple quarters for it? It would be almost four years with no updates but a hell of a machine.
Worth the wait?!
[doublepost=1473518668][/doublepost]Tim hasn't given up on the Mac yet and in fact he loves the Mac. News soon.
http://wccftech.com/tim-cook-responds-email-committed-mac-stay-tuned/
"very committed to it"? I'd hate to see what regular commitment would look like.
Let's just give him a chance to prove his commitment.
If he comes out short then you can beat him to death...
Dell's latest UltraSharp looks good for the Pro crowd (with DCI P3) but it would be nice to see DP 1.3/1.4 and higher res, I guess it won't feature the designed for the Mac Pro seal of approval from Apple.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10670...-with-1610-aspect-ratio-and-dcip3-color-space
If he comes out short then you can beat him to death...
Dell's latest UltraSharp looks good for the Pro crowd (with DCI P3) but it would be nice to see DP 1.3/1.4 and higher res, I guess it won't feature the designed for the Mac Pro seal of approval from Apple.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10670...-with-1610-aspect-ratio-and-dcip3-color-space
The clock speed does not impress me. On programs that cannot effectively utilize more than 10 cores, (such as Photoshop) these server class CPUs will be very slow, comparing to iMac. How about the programs you guys are using? Do most people prefer less cores but high clock speed, or the opposite?