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Yeah, I think it's a fundamental mismatch between Apple's hardware approach (with software they seem to at least get industry feedback and hints) and what pros want. If they announced that a Vega nMP was coming, but in 3 months, they'd basically be saying goodbye to any sales until that announcement. I'm happy that FCPX has evolved, it was something I was worrying about for my own work, but now it'd just be nice to see some top end hardware be made available. There needs to be a nMP that runs both Resolve and FCPX well.
Because they are not telling anything about it...it becomes adverse effect on Apple. Secret used to be good, but it had to be played correctly....not like this. I also use FCPX coming from FCP 7/studio...and it helped me get speed things up...and yes it did improve. But if they are not saying anything about the nMP...FCPX would be useless for some people. I know people can still do edit with mobile mbp....but that's all in the individuals.

IF we have upgradability, we wouldn't have to worry about waiting for another nMP.
 
Well, they did a significant upgrade to Final Cut X, so that's a good sign. It really looks like a professional app now, and does a lot of the stuff I wish it did from the beginning. That, and the fact that Logic is still going strong, are good signs.

I think it comes down to this: if Apple's intention was to wait until there was an AMD GPU worth using in their nMP chassis, then there's a clear marker for when a Mac Pro would show up: once Vega is ready. I doubt they're waiting for Skylake Xeon because Xpoint 3D seems to be a total mess (and is being delayed until Kaby Lake apparently.) AMD's GPUs were way too hot and power hungry last generation, they've righted the ship to an extent. If Vega becomes available, and nothing's changed, then it's a pretty good sign that they're not interested anymore.

This all being said, the real reason I want a new Mac Pro is so I can stick the equivalent GPU in my Hackintosh.... Can't afford Xeons as a student, but I'm not interested in paying for a laptop attached to a 5K screen. A non-Xeon desktop shouldn't be such a gaping hole in their lineup.
Maybe Apple tried to build the nnMP arround AMD gpu and it becomes a mess and decided to switch back to nVidia (remember recent nVidia job postings looking for MacOS Driver developers), not to said an nVidia powered nnMP should appeal much more to the PRO market.

Hopes will vanish when Apple remove the nMP from the the Store...

BTW I'm happy with the nMBP will cost me 300 more than I budgeted but I'll enjoy it.
 
Maybe Apple tried to build the nnMP arround AMD gpu and it becomes a mess and decided to switch back to nVidia (remember recent nVidia job postings looking for MacOS Driver developers), not to said an nVidia powered nnMP should appeal much more to the PRO market.

Hopes will vanish when Apple remove the nMP from the the Store...

BTW I'm happy with the nMBP will cost me 300 more than I budgeted but I'll enjoy it.
You planning to get one?
 
"Since they say it’s so important to Apple, we asked them why it took four years, four months and 16 days to deliver what they call a “milestone” and a “big step forward” for its top-of-the-line laptops.

“The calendar isn’t what drives any of the decisions,” Schiller says

Of course it isn't... it's only for the iPhone...
 
The amount of work Apple has done with the Touch bar does show a decent multi year investment in Mac - just that they haven't shown the other part - a Mac Pro, iMac hardware update. It's a longer wait.
What's on the horizon hardware wise seems suited for the Mac Pro design - AMD's GPU eg SSG card. eGPU. Touch Bar keyboard.
 
You planning to get one?
Yes, I commented before I was long waiting for a MBP update since mi previous died and I tried to replace with an iPad pro, but even in light tasks the iPad pro is an replacement for a Mac

I'll order the 2800$ version plus gpu upgrade basic storage it's more than enough for me.

I just sold my old iMac retina, only concerned about a good dp 1.2 adapter to connect it to my 4k display. I think I'll not miss the iMac with this MBP.

And whatever even if available today I didn't budgeted to replace the nMP until late Q1 Q2.
 
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Maybe Apple tried to build the nnMP arround AMD gpu and it becomes a mess and decided to switch back to nVidia (remember recent nVidia job postings looking for MacOS Driver developers), not to said an nVidia powered nnMP should appeal much more to the PRO market.

Hopes will vanish when Apple remove the nMP from the the Store...

BTW I'm happy with the nMBP will cost me 300 more than I budgeted but I'll enjoy it.
Nvidia job posting can be there because there may be in future requirement of all software on Apple platform using Metal, instead of any other Proprietary APIs. Not because it would be "forced", but because there is no point in developing software for dead hardware.

Apple and AMD appear to have partnership, and as I have said before, there will be no Nvidia graphics in any Mac for forseeable future. And Nvidia will still want to sell hardware to Mac users: eGPUs and for Mac Pro 5.1. So they might not do it for Apple, but for themselves.

Is it good or bad? Time will tell. Im curious to see what can hardware do with optimized software.

I agree on Mac Pro with goMac point of view. If the Mac Pro was supposed to be killed they would kill it immediately like they did with Thunderbolt Display.
 
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...but Minecraft on TV. wow.
I get the secrecy and building of anticipation for things like the iPhone and iPad. It's part of the business model, generates a buzz, creates sales, gets one over on the competition. Fine - got that. But - a iPhone and an iPad "nice to have", essentially peripherals, not key to doing creative work. A proper desktop machine is, and I guess that's the same for a large chunk of other creative people who love using Macs to get their stuff done.
Sure, when Apple only made computers, you could do the same exercise in creating the buzz and springing the surprises because that's all they had. Things are different now. I can't see the benefit in keeping people in the dark about plans for the iMac, Mac Pro and Mini. What's in it for anyone? What good does it do? In the aircraft business, the manufacturers are very keen to let everyone know what they have coming up, so the people who will be buying or leasing them can plan ahead. Seems to work just fine. Why can't creative professionals get the same thing? Thin-ness and shiny-ness and little tweaks are irrelevant - just update the damn machines and tell us what your plans, or even if you have any plans at all.
Why is that so difficult? How would that damage your business?
 
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I guess they love the surprise factor. And since everyone seems keen on copying their designs, I can even understand this. Even when rumors of Apple gear start showing up there is something coming from China with the same design, and it's not even out or confirmed from Apple. It's a way to try to be first to market with their ideas, which nowadays is quite impossible, with all the leaks from suppliers and whatever.
Even the big ones end up, even after ridiculing their stuff, doing something similar. Some will say improved, it's a point of view...
[doublepost=1477664276][/doublepost]they ditched the lit up logo on new rMBP too :-(
It seems it's no more in any Mac from here on.
 
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The amount of work Apple has done with the Touch bar does show a decent multi year investment in Mac - just that they haven't shown the other part - a Mac Pro, iMac hardware update. It's a longer wait.
What's on the horizon hardware wise seems suited for the Mac Pro design - AMD's GPU eg SSG card. eGPU. Touch Bar keyboard.
On the Horizon is 2nd half of 2017 (at least for the SSG). You think that's a reasonable timeframe?
 
The amount of work Apple has done with the Touch bar does show a decent multi year investment in Mac - just that they haven't shown the other part - a Mac Pro, iMac hardware update. It's a longer wait.
What's on the horizon hardware wise seems suited for the Mac Pro design - AMD's GPU eg SSG card. eGPU. Touch Bar keyboard.

True, the touch bar does show _some_ investment ... by in counterpoint, from a Project Management & Engineering perspective, it is vastly cheaper & easier to have prototyped the Touch Bar concept on discrete keyboards (USB and/or Thunderbolt, or Lightning, or whatever) than to incur the additional technical challenges of integrating them into a laptop.

As such, the Touch Bar Keyboard design pragmatically has to have been completed, long before the laptops. As such, all attempts to try to excuse/explain away the lack of any desktop Mac updates on this new feature falls grossly short.

EDIT: ...and an additional element to note is that when the external keyboard does eventually ship, these new mBP's are going to be expected to be compatible, so whatever I/O interfaces that these machines already have will be what that keyboard will have to run on.
 
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On the Horizon is 2nd half of 2017 (at least for the SSG). You think that's a reasonable timeframe?
I decided to jump ship to Windows, and not wait for Apple. If they will eventually came out with new computer that will fit my needs perfectly I will think of coming back to Apple.

However, by the looks of their pricing structure currently for their hardware - it will be extremely hard for them to make me come back.
 
There is no way that a nMP comes out without a USB (or Wireless?) Magic Keyboard 2 with the toolbar. What would be the purpose of letting a Pro machine not benefitting of a feature strongly sold as "Pro oriented" on a laptop? One couldn't spend so much money and have a reduced workflow with respect to a less powerful and cheaper computer if the usual killer product for a MP is FinalCut.
I think these new machines tell a lot on where the nMP could lead to. I think it's clear that they will sell the 10 ports as all TB3 interchangeable. Maybe with a limit to the total TB3 devices, but surely all offering USB 3.1 gen2 speeds.
 
If the Touch Bar is their next big thing, they may be waiting to produce a similar keyboard for iMac and MP.
When this keyboard will be available... we 'll see the new desktop systems.

I kind of doubt whether Touch Bar on desktop keyboard can really work. Somewhere on this site somebody complained that Touch Bar is bad because he doesn't want to move his eyes away from the monitor while he works. This is a no-issue for MacBookPro, actually, as the Touch Bar sits right below the monitor. Moving his eyes to the Touch Bar is not that different from moving to the Dock. The situation will be totally different in a desktop arrangement. The keyboard will be quite a distance away from the monitor. Sliding the Touch Bar while simultaneously watching what happens on the monitor will not be that trivial.

Another potential problem is power. How often will we have to charge the Touch Bar keyboard?

I will buy the Touch Bar keyboard as soon as there is one, and I hope Apple can make these worries go away.
 
Nvidia job posting can be there because there may be in future requirement of all software on Apple platform using Metal, instead of any other Proprietary APIs. Not because it would be "forced", but because there is no point in developing software for dead hardware.

Apple and AMD appear to have partnership, and as I have said before, there will be no Nvidia graphics in any Mac for forseeable future. And Nvidia will still want to sell hardware to Mac users: eGPUs and for Mac Pro 5.1. So they might not do it for Apple, but for themselves.

Is it good or bad? Time will tell. Im curious to see what can hardware do with optimized software.

I agree on Mac Pro with goMac point of view. If the Mac Pro was supposed to be killed they would kill it immediately like they did with Thunderbolt Display.
They would have announced discontinuation like display, right?
 
I kind of doubt whether Touch Bar on desktop keyboard can really work. Somewhere on this site somebody complained that Touch Bar is bad because he doesn't want to move his eyes away from the monitor while he works. This is a no-issue for MacBookPro, actually, as the Touch Bar sits right below the monitor. Moving his eyes to the Touch Bar is not that different from moving to the Dock. The situation will be totally different in a desktop arrangement. The keyboard will be quite a distance away from the monitor. Sliding the Touch Bar while simultaneously watching what happens on the monitor will not be that trivial.

Yes, these are logical concerns, but I think we 're going to adapt.

Another potential problem is power. How often will we have to charge the Touch Bar keyboard?

I was thinking of a wired keyboard for first version...:)
 
There is no way that a nMP comes out without a USB (or Wireless?) Magic Keyboard 2 with the toolbar. What would be the purpose of letting a Pro machine not benefitting of a feature strongly sold as "Pro oriented" on a laptop? One couldn't spend so much money and have a reduced workflow with respect to a less powerful and cheaper computer if the usual killer product for a MP is FinalCut.
I think these new machines tell a lot on where the nMP could lead to. I think it's clear that they will sell the 10 ports as all TB3 interchangeable. Maybe with a limit to the total TB3 devices, but surely all offering USB 3.1 gen2 speeds.
Sadly the recent mbp that is able to connect two 5k monitors says a lot.
 
They would have announced discontinuation like display, right?
Yes, they would do this. If they would want to tell to people: "there are other options for your needs, third party options", they would already do this.

Mac Pro will be updated. However, God only knows when.
 
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Yes, they would do this. If they would want to tell to people: "there are other options for your needs, third party options", they would already do this.

Mac Pro will be updated. However, God only knows when.
I was wondering what the hell is up with mbp hooking up to 2 5k monitor....that's crazy.
 
I kind of doubt whether Touch Bar on desktop keyboard can really work. Somewhere on this site somebody complained that Touch Bar is bad because he doesn't want to move his eyes away from the monitor while he works. This is a no-issue for MacBookPro, actually, as the Touch Bar sits right below the monitor. Moving his eyes to the Touch Bar is not that different from moving to the Dock. The situation will be totally different in a desktop arrangement. The keyboard will be quite a distance away from the monitor. Sliding the Touch Bar while simultaneously watching what happens on the monitor will not be that trivial.

Another potential problem is power. How often will we have to charge the Touch Bar keyboard?

I will buy the Touch Bar keyboard as soon as there is one, and I hope Apple can make these worries go away.
I suppose you think how it can work in wireless environment.

Apple developed lately W1 chip for wireless connection. It may have multi-function purpose. The keyboard may become a input device, not accessory for the computer. Internet of things, no matter how stupid may it sound right now.
I was wondering what the hell is up with mbp hooking up to 2 5k monitor....that's crazy.
I do not see a problem with MBP connecting 2 5K monitors.

That is only perception of the resolution. 4K - 5K resolution will become standard as is today 1080p, and 1440p. It has nothing to do with purpose of the computers or market they occupy.
 
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