I ordered mine today. Too many unanswered questions. Not worried about the ARM transition to upper end MacBook pros for another year.
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I ordered mine today. Too many unanswered questions. Not worried about the ARM transition to upper end MacBook pros for another year.
Actually the secondhand market for MBP is very good (at least in my country), so I guess if I buy a 16" MBP today, the maximum value decrease after a year will be around $300-$400.
So the current transition won't affect me as long as I sell it next year, right?
Oh no, i more so meant if you wanted to get an ARM Mac but were worried about still needing to run older softwares, you'd probably need two machines, one being one that's still on the last version of MacOS that runs your programs. That's what my company does, we've got a ton of old Mac Pros from almost a decade ago that run our old programs (since they don't want to do a big overhaul of their office buildings), but they also have a handful of newer Macs to run some of the newer programs recent clients have needed us to work on. There may be some other work arounds though like using a separate boot drive or something with an older OS on it, but i'm not as familiar with that.
It’s hard to say how this will affect the second hand market. I imagine the intel MacBook Pro’s might not hold their second hand value very well when the ARM units launch/are close to launch. That said, I’m going to buy a 16 inch with 5600M and plan on keeping it for 4-5 years. I like the MacOS for productivity but like to game. There’s no indication that windows virtualisation is going to work on ARMs yet, so I don’t fancy taking the risk.
Is the computer you’re looking at good enough for you spec wise for the next 3-5 years/however long you normally keep your computer? If yes then I would buy it. The ARM announcement doesn’t make it any less good than it was before the keynote. Worst case scenario I think is that you might not get MacOS updates in 3 years time but I think they’ll support it longer. As for other software going out of date, I don’t think that’s likely given the universal app build solution covering both ARM and x86.
Might you get more for your money with an ARM MacBook Pro 16 if you wait 2 years? Almost certainly more power per watt yes. Might you have compatibility issues if you need to run x86 windows software, like non MacOS compatible games or other windows software? I think this is quite likely.
Is the computer you’re looking at good enough for you spec wise for the next 3-5 years/however long you normally keep your computer? If yes then I would buy it. The ARM announcement doesn’t make it any less good than it was before the keynote. Worst case scenario I think is that you might not get MacOS updates in 3 years time but I think they’ll support it longer. As for other software going out of date, I don’t think that’s likely given the universal app build solution covering both ARM and x86.
Might you get more for your money with an ARM MacBook Pro 16 if you wait 2 years? Almost certainly more power per watt yes. Might you have compatibility issues if you need to run x86 windows software, like non MacOS compatible games or other windows software? I think this is quite likely.
I think I will go for the current one then. Thank you for your opinion. 👍
It's possible that the second-hand market for Intel-Macs will actually get a boost due to the transition to ARM.
Unlike PowerPC Macs, Intel is used for Windows which means there are a ton of compatibility. I'd imagine that many people will want an Intel Mac years later to dual boot MacOS and Windows.
Count me in for a 120hz macbook. This or i’d Razer...not buy Apple ‘books
It was only a few days for me. I think it took maybe 1-2 days for me to order and then it to become "Ready for Shipping", and then a day or two for it to be Shipped.
I ordered about 2 weeks ago - it arrived a week ago (I ordered on the day they released the new 5600M GPU option).
The last Intel Macs may not be that terrible after all: https://wccftech.com/intel-10nm-cor...vs-amd-7nm-ryzen-4000-upto-20-percent-faster/
It’s does look better but I doubt any Mac will get them I’d imagine all 13” Macs will be on ARM by March
I wouldn’t be so sure. My wild guess would be the ARM 14 is to take the spot of the current non-TB 13. Apple may want to keep at least one Intel version for each form factor (13/14 and 16) to ease the transition and offer pro customers some freedom before fully transitioning.
The Ming Chi Kuo report states the 13” pro will be the first one to arrive later this year with them discontinuing the intel version. I’d imagine going into 2021 there won’t be an intel 13” pro
Picked a MacBook Pro 13" basic model. 2 GHz Quad-Core Intel Core i5, 16 GB 3733 MHz LPDDR4, wow this thing is pretty amazing coming from a 2011 MacBook Pro.
FYI if you have a 2016 MBP with the 1st gen keyboard and are annoyed, they’ll change it for a 2nd (or third?) gen butterfly keyboard if you give it for repairs. It’s night and day. Plus new battery. I feel I can now wait a bit longer before upgrading.
I would say no. They did provide the new 5600M Graphics Card option only a few weeks ago. I was hoping for a spec bump before the end of the Financial Year, and when that graphics card option came along I put an order in as I would have thought that if they were going to go to Gen 10 Intel CPU's, then it would have happened then as well.
It is possible a spec bump could come before the end of the year but I highly doubt it.
They've released new updated in May - July the last three years. I'm hoping something comes, but maybe with the ARM transition there won't be anything until EOY
Yep, and what I am saying is that in June they did do a refresh by providing another GPU option. Because GPU's are soldered onto the motherboards, it would have been the ideal time for them to also provide a CPU refresh, but they didn't, so it isn't likely another refresh will come any time soon.
I think this is the key point. Based on all MacBook releases for the last 10 years, I would say if we don't see any 16-inch MacBook Pro release in two weeks (Tuesday, July 21),then they're not going to release anything new until October.
If 10th gen CPUs were coming, I'd imagine they would have arrived alongside the 5600M GPU option. Unsurprising if Apple didn't consider it worth it this go around as they're very minor upgrades over 9th gen, and it's mostly though higher clock ceilings, which the 16" would be very hard pressed to sustain for very long. I'm thinking if the 2019 model isn't the end of the line for Intel, the final one will have Tiger Lake, which is unlikely to be logistically possible before early-mid next year (H chips are usually later in the release cycle than U chips, and Tiger Lake will be the first generation of H chips built on 10nm).