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Waiting for the 2020 MBP
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I forgot about that. Amazing that after all this time they basically just... went back to the keyboard I am using right now on my 2012 retina.
Looks like AMD CPUs are coming to Macs this summerHopefully they debut 5nm APUs and crush anything intel is offering on 14nm.
Ok, slow down! 5nm barely exists right now, and bringing an architecture to a new process requires substantial work. At the earliest, AMD will have a 5nm APU in 2021. Here's hoping!
For those of you who, like me, are unnaturally interested in this kind of thing, I made a chart illustrating how complex Apple's choice for APU in their upcoming 13/14" Macbook Pro is. This compares the theoretical performance of Intel's upcoming four core Ice Lake part (i7-1068G7) @ 28W with the theoretical performance of AMD's six core Renoir part (4900U) @ 25W and the actual performance of Intel's current six core Comet Lake part (i7-10710U) @ 25W.
I drew inferences from available benchmarks on notebookcheck and AMD and Intel's own estimates. I especially relied on these leaked benchmarks, which test the AMD 4800U (@ 25W), i7-1065G7 (@ 25W), and i7-10710U (@ 25W):
My takeaways: the CPU Physics score for AMD's Ryzen 9 4800U (Renoir) is neck-and-neck with the Intel Core i7-10710U (Comet Lake) with both configured at 25W. Presumably, the 4900U at 25W would widen the gap--slightly--thanks to its marginally higher clock speed, but I don't think the gap is significant
Single core performance at these power levels is still worrying for AMD. Direct comparison is impossible, since AMD's four-and-six core parts are configured lower TDPs. But the six core i7-10710U's near parity with a similarly configured eight core 4800U in a CPU Physics test is troubling.
The Ice Lake i7-1065G7, configured at 25W, puts up an impressive performance, but it is really held back by the low core count. Intel's inability to manufacture their new Cove cores in higher-core configurations is a problem, and sadly this problem may continue with Tiger Lake. The 28W 1068 is set to use an identical graphics part as the 1065G7, and I expect the benefit of the extra power to go to the CPU.
For graphics, AMD's Vega 8 will doubtlessly trounce the UHD 620 in the Comet Lake part. The Iris Plus graphics in Ice Lake are a big step forward for Intel, and have demonstrated a narrow advantage over the Vega 10 part on Raven Ridge.My biggest assumption in this chart is taking AMD at their word that uplift from manufacturing Vega 8 at 7nm puts the Renoir iteration significantly ahead of the Vega 10 part on Raven Ridge despite it having less CUs. If this turns out to be untrue, then Ice Lake would share the "Best Performance" GPU tier with Renoir (the gap between these parts and Comet Lake should remain). The assumption that Vega 8 at 7nm would hold a significant performance advantage over Intel's Iris Plus graphics appears to be borne out in the same benchmarks.
| Best Performance | Good Performance | Weakest Performance | |
| All Core Performance | AMD 4900U > i7-10710U | i7-1068G7 | |
| Single Core Performance | i7-1068G7 | i7-10710U | AMD 4900U |
| Graphics Perfomance | AMD 4900U | i7-1068G7 | i7-10710U |
I drew inferences from available benchmarks on notebookcheck and AMD and Intel's own estimates. I especially relied on these leaked benchmarks, which test the AMD 4800U (@ 25W), i7-1065G7 (@ 25W), and i7-10710U (@ 25W):
My takeaways: the CPU Physics score for AMD's Ryzen 9 4800U (Renoir) is neck-and-neck with the Intel Core i7-10710U (Comet Lake) with both configured at 25W. Presumably, the 4900U at 25W would widen the gap--slightly--thanks to its marginally higher clock speed, but I don't think the gap is significant
Single core performance at these power levels is still worrying for AMD. Direct comparison is impossible, since AMD's four-and-six core parts are configured lower TDPs. But the six core i7-10710U's near parity with a similarly configured eight core 4800U in a CPU Physics test is troubling.
The Ice Lake i7-1065G7, configured at 25W, puts up an impressive performance, but it is really held back by the low core count. Intel's inability to manufacture their new Cove cores in higher-core configurations is a problem, and sadly this problem may continue with Tiger Lake. The 28W 1068 is set to use an identical graphics part as the 1065G7, and I expect the benefit of the extra power to go to the CPU.
For graphics, AMD's Vega 8 will doubtlessly trounce the UHD 620 in the Comet Lake part. The Iris Plus graphics in Ice Lake are a big step forward for Intel, and have demonstrated a narrow advantage over the Vega 10 part on Raven Ridge.
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Super interesting thread! I just sold my 2017 15" MBP that was pretty spec'd out. I am very impatiently waiting for the 2020 13"/14" - cannot wait! Will definitely check back here often to hear everyone's thoughts on Apple's choices once this is inevitably announced.
You tell us? We literally don't know anything about it or if there will even be a new one.
Heavens to Betsy this wait is a tough one. It's been a very long tunnel of darkness that was the butterfly keyboards.
I cannot wait to step back into the light. Bets that they'll only release the 4 port $1699+ model to start and we only get the $1299 model 989 days later, like last time? Man, a cruel half decade it's been since the butterfly keyboards blemished the MBP name.
Typing from my 2015 13", I just can't wait to get out of the past finally.
I cannot wait to step back into the light. Bets that they'll only release the 4 port $1699+ model to start and we only get the $1299 model 989 days later, like last time? Man, a cruel half decade it's been since the butterfly keyboards blemished the MBP name.
Typing from my 2015 13", I just can't wait to get out of the past finally.
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Small MacBook Pro with IceLake CPUs.
I hope they ditch the lower-tiered model and make all 13"/14" MBPs come with two fans and four ports. Wishful thinking?
God I’m almost breaking and getting a current 13” and praying it develops a keyboard problem after the new 2020s are released 😅
I waited patiently for the 16” but that’s gone back. I hope the 13/14” is very very close.
I waited patiently for the 16” but that’s gone back. I hope the 13/14” is very very close.
Shame if this happens. Two ports in a base model just isn't enough for a 'Pro' laptop that costs more than 1000 dollars.
Since we now have these leaks about exact specs, it should be only a matter of weeks before it is announced? How long did it take for the 16" to be revealed after its specs got leaked?
Wow! There's the drop huh. I guess it's no surprise Apple went with the 28W Ice Lake part.
I wonder if this also means the 13" is one of the "Project Athena" laptops Intel is launching Tiger Lake with later this year. If I were Apple, I wouldn't be thrilled about the MBP 13's graphics being shown up by an XPS 13 within four months of launch. Leaks suggest that a 28W Tiger Lake exists and may actually be coming in Intel's NUC later this year.
Would not be surprised if the new MBP13 design comes in March, and is soft-refreshed with Tiger Lake this Fall. Personally would not touch an Ice Lake MBP if I were in no hurry to upgrade.
Just saw this on the incase website. Seems like redesign soon, or could be nothing.
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Do we think this is really happening?Looks like AMD CPUs are coming to Macs this summer
Question: would we still have Thunderbolt 3 and will there be any software compatibility issues?
Is it as easy as just dropping AMD chips in? I saw the reviews of the AMD Surface Laptop---didn't get high marks!
I always thought they'd go ARM before AMD.
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🙏 Please come in March! That spec leak is sure promising, and perhaps that Incase brand reference mentioned above is more indication that it is coming in the next few weeks. In my opinion, the very latest we see this announced is June.
So we still have 5/7 models that were registered in June 2019 unaccounted for six months on:
A2141 - 2019 16" MacBook Pro
A2147
A2158
A2159 - 2019 13" MacBook Pro (15W version)
A2179
A2182
A2251
And an additional mac was registered in January this year:
A2289
assuming the 2020 16" keeps the A2141 model number, looks like three models could be accounted for by like for like replacements of the Air and two 13" Pro models (redesigned with magic keyboards) but then there's three more models to come as well. Either new Arm based MacBooks or configurations that don't currently exist in the lineup? MacBook Airs are usually A19 model numbers and no MacBooks have used A22 yet so that's also interesting.
A2147
A2158
A2179
A2182
A2251
And an additional mac was registered in January this year:
A2289
assuming the 2020 16" keeps the A2141 model number, looks like three models could be accounted for by like for like replacements of the Air and two 13" Pro models (redesigned with magic keyboards) but then there's three more models to come as well. Either new Arm based MacBooks or configurations that don't currently exist in the lineup? MacBook Airs are usually A19 model numbers and no MacBooks have used A22 yet so that's also interesting.
As they talk about a new MacBook Pro in the 15” area, this could mean 14” 😂
Well, a quad core 32gb 13" would make me reconsider the purchase of a high spec 16". Hoping the price would be right because a 6 croe 32gb 16" is already available at €3180. (I was previously looking at a 64gb 8 core one so this seems cheap to me )
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I think that a new 14"(13") might become a strong competitor to the 15" 2016-2019 because of price and size similarities.Well, a quad core 32gb 13" would make me reconsider the purchase of a high spec 16". Hoping the price would be right because a 6 croe 32gb 16" is already available at €3180. (I was previously looking at a 64gb 8 core one so this seems cheap to me
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If they come out with both 13" and 14" at the same time, that would be a tough choice, assuming relatively similar specs etc. I'd probably lean toward the smaller one though.