Agreed.TB3 is going to be a Skylake thing.. - Probably looking at another year and a half until TB3 hits the new Mac Pro.
But in 2016, will it still be called the "new" Mac Pro?
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Wanting to get a nMP soon. when is the 7,1 coming out?
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But in 2016, will it still be called the "new" Mac Pro?
7,1 (if it's released) will be a minor bump and I really hope Apple will do this update, if not only for the GPU's.
I wouldn't bet on 8,1 (Skylake) until late Q1-Q2 2016 (this is really all Intel, maybe AMD will have something coming out around that time too which will further push the date depending on how Apple reasons about the GPU performance available).
I've already tested two 6,1 and they both whined so I consider this revision cursed for me Even tried the hackintosh route, didn't like it much, even though it worked fine.
Building a Windows workstation just gets more and more tempting every day...
I wouldn't bet on 8,1 (Skylake) until late Q1-Q2 2016 (this is really all Intel, maybe AMD will have something coming out around that time too which will further push the date depending on how Apple reasons about the GPU performance available).
I've already tested two 6,1 and they both whined so I consider this revision cursed for me
Even tried the hackintosh route, didn't like it much, even though it worked fine.Building a Windows workstation just gets more and more tempting every day...
In late Q1 of 2016 there will be release, but Broadwell EP Xeon CPUs. Skylake will follow them on late Q4 of the same year.7,1 (if it's released) will be a minor bump and I really hope Apple will do this update, if not only for the GPU's.
I wouldn't bet on 8,1 (Skylake) until late Q1-Q2 2016 (this is really all Intel, maybe AMD will have something coming out around that time too which will further push the date depending on how Apple reasons about the GPU performance available).
I've already tested two 6,1 and they both whined so I consider this revision cursed for me
Building a Windows workstation just gets more and more tempting every day...
Very true, I forgot about the massive delay between consumer and Xeon versions. I was thinking about the consumer versions of Skylake.
I already said that "IT'S NOT ENTIRELY APPLE FAULT AND THEY SHOULD OBTAIN VAT REDEMPTION FROM EU(hp and dell are already doing this, so why not Apple)". So please read before comment. I'm not ignoring situations where US customers pay taxes; i just refer to my own situation. I don't have anything with Apple, i am using MacOS and macs since system 7 days. I do however do NOT like to be taken for granted and be fulled around. I don't know where are you coming from but 10-15% it's not peanuts. If you think that GPU's will ever be user replaceable within the nMP, well we think very different. This is my biggest grip with Apple, the TREND they are going with nowadays. They started to cripple all the macs. But my biggest issue is that we don't have any upgradable mac under 2k. Do i will stil buy and use macs? Well, yea, but this doesn't mean that i will not complain myself when features are taken away from me. And we should all do this so Apple will listen to US, customers. peace
I meant 8,1 as 7,1 will be the Haswell core nMP coming soon (wishful thinking). But I guess you were only kidding, right?!
goMac, I believe you are right, TB3 will be out with SkyLake, now I remember.
rdav, it will always be nMP!!
goMac, I believe you are right, TB3 will be out with SkyLake, now I remember.
rdav, it will always be nMP!!
From a strictly marketing perspective, it makes sense for Apple to put out a new model in 2015 rather than wait for 2016. Since the current nMP is referred to as the 2013 model, that would be a 3-year gap between models in the minds of many. The "optics" of that wouldn't be very good, even if the time frame was not actually three years ("End" of 2013 vs. "Early" 2016).
I have no special technical knowledge of any of the Mac Pro components, I'm just an art dude with some marketing experience, and I think Apple would be foolish to make the pro market wait that long for a refresh, however minor it may be.
I have no special technical knowledge of any of the Mac Pro components, I'm just an art dude with some marketing experience, and I think Apple would be foolish to make the pro market wait that long for a refresh, however minor it may be.
This is what i am thinking off. I mean a LOT of artists and businesses have already moved to windows/linux. If Apple sends mixed messages about it's commitment to pro AGAIN, they will loose the small market they currently have. I also try to use windows, i can say it's improved from old versions. But i still can't work too long on it. Although Apple cost me a lot more i still prefer MacOS. If Apple fails again with mac pro i will have no choice that to switch.
A lot of artists and businesses are going from Windows/Linux to OSX, thanks to Mac Pro, as well.
I would like to see some hard and reliable numbers backing that up... I just don't see people moving back to FCPX in drove for example. I would bet that most nMP buyers were already either cMP or iMac users with well established OSX based non CUDA enabled workflow.
I know that for my company, the lack of NVidia GPU killed the nMP.
I've seen sharp decrease in mac pro numbers on the businesses i work with(print, graphics and video) after FCPX fiasco. I also seen a sharp decrease on advertising agencies and print houses. Now i don't see a comeback on either of this ones with the nMP. Home user base has grown, true, and that might be replacing pro's in numbers, but there is one issue with this trend. In my graphics shop there are dozens of businesses that see my macs and ask me "what windows is that?(yea, i got this question few times)". Now this is exposure to decision makers who buys in bulk numbers. I only work directly with marketing and CEO's of companies, so decision makers. Home users don't buy in bulk and don't expose they macs to businesses. So if you move out of add agencies and print houses and graphics studios, then you have an issue. If Apple continues to keep offer less upgrades for more and more money there will be all over 90's again. With one small difference though: there is no other Steve Jobs around to save them this time.....
As far as Im cincerned, musician and photographer client base i growing. Slowly, but slowly, but steadily.
Mostly what they buy are Macbook Pros and Mac Pros.
Only if their workflow are in the OSX ecosystem, like Logic Pro X or if they are using Aperture...
Musician using ProTools or other DAW don't have to pay the Apple tax to use those applications. Same goes for Adobe product.
Again, I would like to see you back this up with real and reliable numbers...
You provided anecdotal evidence. He provided anecdotal evidence. Neither of you guys have strong support for your statement, so why are you harping on it?
All we can provide is the numbers from people we work, or used to work with.
As I said before. I see that more, and more people are using Mac as their work machines. Photography, Music production, Writing. I do not work with video editors, so I dont know anything about it.
Funniest part is that I have few friends that have bought a Mac Pro only for typical everyday use, and gaming.
I use my MBP for writing, photo editing and gaming. And soon will transfer myself to iPad Mini/Mac Pro setup because that suits my needs way better than single Laptop.
Yes, the Prosumer market wins. Pure workstation market is dying in Apple, sadly. But maybe thats how it has to be? Maybe that is what soon WHOLE market will look like?
As I said before. I see that more, and more people are using Mac as their work machines. Photography, Music production, Writing. I do not work with video editors, so I dont know anything about it.
Funniest part is that I have few friends that have bought a Mac Pro only for typical everyday use, and gaming.
I use my MBP for writing, photo editing and gaming. And soon will transfer myself to iPad Mini/Mac Pro setup because that suits my needs way better than single Laptop.
Yes, the Prosumer market wins. Pure workstation market is dying in Apple, sadly. But maybe thats how it has to be? Maybe that is what soon WHOLE market will look like?
Agree on this. All we have is what we observe in markets we are involved/work with. I don't now if pro market is dying in pc world(looks like hp and dell have strong sales of workstations) but it's sure is in Apple. And i don't know if we can say that it's 'prosumer', i don't agree with this. If you make money from your work, then you are at a pro level. Even if you don't have the most demanding needs for computing power. Why is a musician who makes a living on youtube/small radio less pro then one that does it for MTV? So i think Apple may have something on this. I am sure that they have marketing numbers to back they policies....
Just because there would be a three year gap (seemingly) between 2016's supposed iteration wouldn't warrant a rush on Apple's part.
Apple seems to upgrade only when its profitable to do so. They have many other areas of focus to concentrate on for cash flow, and unfortunately the Mac Pro's numbers are never at the top of their ledger.
I don't see a new model coming for 2015. I see a spec bump in its future, where current gen users can swap out parts.
Remember the Mac Pro is exclusively made in the US -- apart from all of their other line of products. US Labor and expenses aren't as cheap as our chinese connections. Another reason not to rush a new model.
Apple seems to upgrade only when its profitable to do so. They have many other areas of focus to concentrate on for cash flow, and unfortunately the Mac Pro's numbers are never at the top of their ledger.
I don't see a new model coming for 2015. I see a spec bump in its future, where current gen users can swap out parts.
Remember the Mac Pro is exclusively made in the US -- apart from all of their other line of products. US Labor and expenses aren't as cheap as our chinese connections. Another reason not to rush a new model.
I think that word "Prosumer" refers to people who work, and do everyday stuff on their computers. Play and earn money thanks to them.
And I think, that is where the money lies, for computer firms.
Alternatively, even a modest refresh of the Mac Pro could generate interest and enough purchases to keep the U.S. factory busy and avoid any closures/layoffs from slowing orders.
There's two sides to every coin...
Right. It's kind of a weird theory. Apple won't refresh the Mac Pro because they pay their workers more? Gives them more of a reason to refresh. You don't want interest getting low so that your workers are standing around doing nothing.
As someone working in the audio industry as a recording/mixing engineer, I can tell you that Apple is heavily favored. Even with programs that are cross-platform. Especially with Pro Tools. The Windows version of PT has never worked as well, Digidesign and later Avid has always given the OS X version priority. Even in Avid's official Pro Tools Certification textbooks, shortcut keys are always listed as the Mac shortcut keys, with little indentations on the bottom of the page for the Windows shortcuts.
All of that being said, OS X is the superior platform in general for audio production due to the standardized hardware platform in which Avid and others can guarantee compatibility, operability, and support. There's not much you have to do to "prime" or optimize an OS X environment for working in Pro Tools (or any DAW)...change around some keyboard settings, update settings, and possibly disable Spotlight from running on your audio drives. With Windows, there is a list of things you must do, which often require disabling major components of the OS. This is because there is a lot more background stuff taxing CPU, Disk IO, and RAM in a typical Windows install than an OS X install. And when you have a client in the studio who are being billed by the hour, you want the system that's going to work the fastest and give you the least amount of headaches possible.
I'm no Apple fanboy whatsoever (in fact, I wish Avid and Microsoft would work more closely together to both make Pro Tools run more efficiently on the platform, as well as reign Windows in to be a bit more efficient with how it handles system resources, as I really miss spec'ing out and building my own machines), but the fact is this industry is at least 90% Apple, if not more.
EDIT: I will also mention that, if you look on Avid's support website, they mention that they will only offer support for "qualified" computers. Most, if not all, of Apple's latest machines are either fully qualified or in testing, with a caveat here and there (Fusion drives, for example, gunk up IO when working with multiple tracks, and are not supported). If you look at their Windows qualified computers, there are 2 or 3...an HP or Dell workstation here and there. This may not be important to the 19 year old kid who wants to make beats in his bedroom, but in the professional world, Avid qualified systems and support is important.
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Ditto and ditto.
It's amazing that those who have never used one can say that, though the d500 cannot play bf4 crossfire in bootcamp like the d700's
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They look Apple (Foxconn) manufactured to me when I've had one in my hand
Wait, what? The D500's aren't crossfire compatible?
That's been the case with all of AVID's products. It has more to do with there only being like 5 flavors of MACs, versus countless configurations of Windows machines.
Having said that, I've definitely probably noticed a more Apple centric audio community. But since I tend to stay in the video realm I've noticed a much weaker Apple presence in recent years. And I've still yet to see a nMP out in the wild.