I do have relatives, friends and business partners in US, you know? If i go and purchase from B&H photo and i live in, let's say Florida, do i pay sales taxes? I guess not.... Even if you exclude taxes the price in EU it's still waaaay over that in US. I think it's just plain greed from Apple, more and more so. Lock down computers, increase prices to ridiculous amounts for a quad core, no user access to RAM, hard and video and so on. HP, Dell and Lenovo are all selling in EU and their prices are much more close to those from US. Why is it only with Apple that it's not possible?
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I do have relatives, friends and business partners in US, you know? If i go and purchase from B&H photo and i live in, let's say Florida, do i pay sales taxes? I guess not.... Even if you exclude taxes the price in EU it's still waaaay over that in US. I think it's just plain greed from Apple, more and more so. Lock down computers, increase prices to ridiculous amounts for a quad core, no user access to RAM, hard and video and so on. HP, Dell and Lenovo are all selling in EU and their prices are much more close to those from US. Why is it only with Apple that it's not possible?
Maybe you or someone from the tech press should investigate this price discrepency. I suspect it's a lot more complicated than just Apple gouging folks in Europe. It's probably some what like consumers in the US blaming the domestic oil companies for the price of petrol.
What's your definition of ridiculous? Just using the UK as example it seems as though the Mac Pro carries a 9% premium (discounting the VAT).
And since when does the user not have access to RAM?
Also, I just took a quick look at HP pricing. Seems as if they charge almost a 9.5% premium over US pricing on the z840. I have no reason to think their pricing is any different for other models. I would guess Dell and Lenovo are the same. So it looks like you were wrong there too.
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You guess wrong. When you purchase an item in the US you have to pay the declared price plus local taxes(which depends from state to state). When you get back in the EU you have to declare your purchase to the customs and they will apply the local duty(here in Italy about 25%).
End consumer pays VAT so i don't know why you take that off. As for the RAM access are you living on Mars or something? Last victim is Mini. And if you look at MP the video card and HDD are no longer user upgradable.
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If i don't live in NY and i purchase from B&H i don't pay sales taxes. Check your facts before replying.
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I don't know about this. I don't work in this field, i am just an end user not an investigator. But Apple did payed a huge fine to EU comission for wrong business....
Whether or not you are required to pay sales tax on out-of-state online purchases depends on the state you live in.
Whether or not your state requires retailers to collect it does not impact whether you are required to pay it.
Which state do you live in? Or which state would the product get delivered to?
Here in Washington State you are suppose to report your untaxed out of state purchases and send in the state and local taxes. The problem is that it is pretty much unenforceable for the general public. Can you imagine the government hauling all the little old ladies into court for not paying taxes on their QVC addiction purchases-political suicide.
Businesses are a different matter and are audited or at least sent notices about this revenue matter which I have received.
My relatives live in Minnesota, and no, if you purchase from NY you don't pay taxes. Let's focus on thread issues, ok? Discussion deviated a lot. I think we should at least wait and see what Apple will do. So far i am very pleased with the new mac pro. I just don't buy ever-ever revision 1. I wait to see the new video cards selection to make my purchase. Now i start to think i made a bad decision to skip revision 1, but i guess it's too late to purchase one of the now 'old' models. My guess is that we will see a huge jump in video RAM amount(the new August launched firepro cards doubled the ram amount). IF the base model will have 4Gb of video RAM and same price tag, i will jump on it in the first second.
We're ignoring VAT because you're making the claim that it's purely greed on Apple's part. They have no control over the VAT. You also claimed that this is unique to Apple and the likes of HP, Dell, and Lenovo don't do the same. I proved you wrong there, which you conveniently ignored.
You also keep using B&H as your example of avoiding taxes. But you're ignoring the majority of circumstances where US customers will have to pay sales tax so you can't just dismiss that from the equation.
We're also talking the Mac Pro here so why bring up RAM issues with the mini? The GPU and SSD issues are valid and my biggest hang ups with the machine. But they are user accessible, so 3rd party options may present themselves.
You obviously have issues with Apple. Some are valid, so there's no need to just make **** up to bolster your point. It ends up just doing the opposite.
From what I remember, I said that the chances of Apple dropping EFI32 were slim, but it would be trivial to emulate EFI64 or recompile an EFI32 kernel.
I'm still a little weirded out they did that, but it's something that's fixable... They didn't want to maintain all the EFI32 gunk.I don't know anything specific about the next Mac Pro besides the chance of GPU upgrades is not necessarily 100%, but it's also not 0%. It also wouldn't surprise me if someone hadn't already tested the next GPUs in a current Mac Pro.
From what I remember, I said that the chances of Apple dropping EFI32 were slim, but it would be trivial to emulate EFI64 or recompile an EFI32 kernel.
I don't know anything specific about the next Mac Pro besides the chance of GPU upgrades is not necessarily 100%, but it's also not 0%. It also wouldn't surprise me if someone hadn't already tested the next GPUs in a current Mac Pro.
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GPU for nMP(7,1) D710 = AMD-W9100 /?
https://www.macrumors.com/roundup/mac-pro/
Quote: "While Apple uses customized versions of AMD's FirePro series of high-end graphic cards, the existing cards correspond to the AMD W7000, W8000, and W9000 available for PCs. In recent months, AMD has been introducting updated versions of its FirePro cards, suggesting there's also an appropriate upgrade available for the next-generation Mac Pro."
AMD Workstation GPUs (same initial list price on launch).
FirePro W9000 (Tahiti XT) 6-Gb (14th June 2012) 274W.
FirePro W9100 (Hawaii XT) 16-Gb (26th March 2014) 275W.
The W7100(Tonga) & W8100(Hawaii) are more recent additions.
Adobe endorsement of the AMD-W9100 GPU: "Great for graphics on multiple 4k Displays".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCy6isyjPsQ
A significant boost in GPU-juice. This seems most likely for the nMP(7) in 2015/Q1(ish). And the list price of the W9100 has already dropped from $4k to about $3k.
In theory, two AMD/FirePro/W9100/Hawaii GPUs should permit the running of 6x c4K(4096x2160)@60Hz monitors off a single nMP(7), one per TB2 port. Thou I don't know enough about the TB2/Bus/Broadwell controllers to know if there would be bandwidth problems etc.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/graphics/display/amd-firepro-w9100_2.html
https://www.macrumors.com/roundup/mac-pro/
Quote: "While Apple uses customized versions of AMD's FirePro series of high-end graphic cards, the existing cards correspond to the AMD W7000, W8000, and W9000 available for PCs. In recent months, AMD has been introducting updated versions of its FirePro cards, suggesting there's also an appropriate upgrade available for the next-generation Mac Pro."
AMD Workstation GPUs (same initial list price on launch).
FirePro W9000 (Tahiti XT) 6-Gb (14th June 2012) 274W.
FirePro W9100 (Hawaii XT) 16-Gb (26th March 2014) 275W.
The W7100(Tonga) & W8100(Hawaii) are more recent additions.
Adobe endorsement of the AMD-W9100 GPU: "Great for graphics on multiple 4k Displays".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCy6isyjPsQ
A significant boost in GPU-juice. This seems most likely for the nMP(7) in 2015/Q1(ish). And the list price of the W9100 has already dropped from $4k to about $3k.
In theory, two AMD/FirePro/W9100/Hawaii GPUs should permit the running of 6x c4K(4096x2160)@60Hz monitors off a single nMP(7), one per TB2 port. Thou I don't know enough about the TB2/Bus/Broadwell controllers to know if there would be bandwidth problems etc.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/graphics/display/amd-firepro-w9100_2.html
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I believe there's an (common) incorrection in that statement.
The D500 is not based off the W8000 as most people believe, but a cut down version of the W9000/D700.
D300 is indeed based on the W700.
In te next iteration of the MacPro we should have D310/D510/D710 based off W7100 and W9100 I would guess. Let's hope Apple doesn't make the mistake of using the W5100 for the D310, which would be going backwards, but with the huge amounts of mem in the new cards and the data compression I'm not sure.
Anyway, if preices are to be maintained, and that seems likely, the W7100 and W9100 are the way to go.
The D500 is not based off the W8000 as most people believe, but a cut down version of the W9000/D700.
D300 is indeed based on the W700.
In te next iteration of the MacPro we should have D310/D510/D710 based off W7100 and W9100 I would guess. Let's hope Apple doesn't make the mistake of using the W5100 for the D310, which would be going backwards, but with the huge amounts of mem in the new cards and the data compression I'm not sure.
Anyway, if preices are to be maintained, and that seems likely, the W7100 and W9100 are the way to go.
I think that if anything, Dx10 will be based on Pirates of the Caribbean(Caribbean Islands) GPUs with HBM memory.
Fiji, Bermuda, etc...
http://www.maximumpc.com/rumor_amd’s_next-gen_gpu_family_codenamed_‘caribbean_islands’882
http://www.sisoftware.eu/rank2011d/...dbe6deedd4e7d3f587ba8aacc9ac91a187f4c9f9&l=en
http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8364
All the information needed.
Or correctly: AMD FirePro Dx10
D710/W9100 - Monitor output capacity & TB2 controller limitations?
According to the Amd specs, two of the W9100/D710 GPUs should enable 6x c4K(4096x2160)@60Hz monitors. That is, one c4k from each TB2 port on the nMP(7). (Not sure about Hdmi). Thou it would take up most of the existing ThunderBolt-2 bandwidth. But is that even possible on an nMP /3-bus system with BroadWell TB2 Controllers? Or will it require AlpineRidge/TB3?
According to the Amd specs, two of the W9100/D710 GPUs should enable 6x c4K(4096x2160)@60Hz monitors. That is, one c4k from each TB2 port on the nMP(7). (Not sure about Hdmi). Thou it would take up most of the existing ThunderBolt-2 bandwidth. But is that even possible on an nMP /3-bus system with BroadWell TB2 Controllers? Or will it require AlpineRidge/TB3?
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Unless I'm mistaken, TB2 = DP 1.2 and you really need DP 1.3 to drive 5k from a single link.
True, but the post was referring to (true)4K monitors only, such as the LG-31MU97. External 5K Sst monitors are probably still some way off.
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1811376/
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http://www.maximumpc.com/rumor_amds_next-gen_gpu_family_codenamed_caribbean_islands882
http://www.sisoftware.eu/rank2011d/...dbe6deedd4e7d3f587ba8aacc9ac91a187f4c9f9&l=en
http://semiaccurate.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8364
All the information needed.
Or correctly: AMD FirePro Dx10
It looks like the joke was too subtle for you....
With TSMC's 20nm node on such a delay (trouble?) Caribbean Islands should be late to the party.
If you factor in the validation period for such pro cards I guess 2016 will be the most probable availability time. But that's just me wondering...
Maybe for 8,1 nMP along with Broadwell and TB3!!
If you factor in the validation period for such pro cards I guess 2016 will be the most probable availability time. But that's just me wondering...
Maybe for 8,1 nMP along with Broadwell and TB3!!
Not TSMC but GLOFO will produce those cards with their 20nm FD-SOI process.
The same as Console APUs...
Fixed that for you...
ps. I wonder how much of TSMC's issue is actually that Apple has bought up all the 20nm production for the foreseeable future for A8 production?
TB3 is going to be a Skylake thing.
Probably looking at another year and a half until TB3 hits the new Mac Pro.