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Kylo83

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HDR ruins everything on TVs etc apple should just let us use the 1600nits on video if we like and not only YouTube videos
 

Kylo83

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It’s not better, it is overall brighter because there’s less dynamic range but that is not better. You don’t seem to understand what HDR is and what it is made for if you think HDR should just increase the brightness. And the movies and shows that come in HDR are very much colour corrected to be viewed in dark rooms.



I think Dolby Vision looks incredible as well so I don’t see you point. Much of the HDR you see on YouTube is made to be high contrast bright content to shock you which is clearly different from what the directors want when they are making a movie. They could make movies to look like that of course but it wouldn’t be cinematic at all.
Again it’s to dark to even watch on Disney plus and Apple TV app, if you think that’s how the director wants it then I dunno, there’s not reason then for mini led
 

JBGoode

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HDR ruins everything on TVs etc apple should just let us use the 1600nits on video if we like and not only YouTube videos
It has nothing to do with Apple. HDR uses metadata that controls the display‘s brightness.If you don’t like an accurate HDR picture, return it and quit complaining.
 
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ofarlig

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Again it’s to dark to even watch on Disney plus and Apple TV app, if you think that’s how the director wants it then I dunno, there’s not reason then for mini led

Go in a dark room, all of a sudden it isn’t too dark to watch anymore. Directors and colour graders don’t do their job for you to sit in a lit room and watch, there’s a reason cinemas are dark…

But if you prefer SDR content don’t get HDR devices, easy as that. Then the rest of us that likes dynamic range can keep enjoying that.
 

Kylo83

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Go in a dark room, all of a sudden it isn’t too dark to watch anymore. Directors and colour graders don’t do their job for you to sit in a lit room and watch, there’s a reason cinemas are dark…

But if you prefer SDR content don’t get HDR devices, easy as that. Then the rest of us that likes dynamic range can keep enjoying that.
You people don’t seem to get it do you, hdr on my cx is beautiful hdr on 4k blu rays are beautiful on apple devices hdr makes it to dark but yeah go enjoy Disney plus on your apple device where you loose all the detail and colour
 

Kylo83

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It has nothing to do with Apple. HDR uses metadata that controls the display‘s brightness.If you don’t like an accurate HDR picture, return it and quit complaining.
The mini led should kick in on hdr to make it brighter but it doesn’t on anything apart from YouTube but yeah I’ll keep complaining as you people don’t understand many other forums they get it and complaining about it
 

sparksd

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The mini led should kick in on hdr to make it brighter but it doesn’t on anything apart from YouTube but yeah I’ll keep complaining as you people don’t understand many other forums they get it and complaining about it

You've made your point here and are just becoming repetitious. Take your iPad into an Apple store and complain to them and then return it. Maybe you should try a Samsung Galaxy Tab S7+ as it doesn't sound like the iPad Pro is the right device for you.
 

NT1440

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The mini led should kick in on hdr to make it brighter but it doesn’t on anything apart from YouTube but yeah I’ll keep complaining as you people don’t understand many other forums they get it and complaining about it
That is NOT what HDR is for. I don’t understand how many times that can be explained to you without you getting it.

It’s to accurately represent the color and brightness that a scene was MEANT to be shown in. If the CREATOR wanted a scene to be dark, that’s what your going to get.

HDR isn’t “make everything super bright like a demo TV at a retail store”.

You keep saying YouTube is bright, and comparing it to cinema or TV shows…do you not understand that the YOUTUBE creator WANTED the video to be bright?
 

JBGoode

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The mini led should kick in on hdr to make it brighter but it doesn’t on anything apart from YouTube but yeah I’ll keep complaining as you people don’t understand many other forums they get it and complaining about it
All you’re doing here is showing that you don’t understand how HDR works along with anyone else complaining. You’ve already stated that you prefer the inaccurate “standard” mode on your TV which is something you’re not going to get on an Apple display. There is no problem with HDR or DV on this iPad, the problem is your preference for the oversaturated, blownout picture you’ve been watching on your TV.
 

Kylo83

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HDR does not mean d
That is NOT what HDR is for. I don’t understand how many times that can be explained to you without you getting it.

It’s to accurately represent the color and brightness that a scene was MEANT to be shown in. If the CREATOR wanted a scene to be dark, that’s what your going to get.

HDR isn’t “make everything super bright like a demo TV at a retail store”.

You keep saying YouTube is bright, and comparing it to cinema or TV shows…do you not understand that the YOUTUBE creator WANTED the video to be bright?
its still to dark like I keep saying watch Loki and see if it’s acceptable with hdr once low power mode is on it’s still dark but better it can’t be normal for the show to be that dark
 

Goompa

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HDR does not mean d

its still to dark like I keep saying watch Loki and see if it’s acceptable with hdr once low power mode is on it’s still dark but better it can’t be normal for the show to be that dark
Don’t understand what you mean. I just watched Loki on my mini led iPad and it looked awesome. No complaints whatsoever.
 

TheRoadRunner

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I’ve had no issues with my M1 12.9” iPad, purchased and watched a film on iTunes yesterday and it was exceptional, as others have mentioned maybe the content is the issue?
 

NARadyk

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I can tell you’re a fellow Brit as you don’t half love a whinge.

I would advise returning your shockingly bad iPad to whichever unfortunate store you purchased it from and request to continue this debate with the manager.
 

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Wizec

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HDR does not necessarily mean brighter content. It means 64 times as many colors, and that is where HDR excels. SDR is 8-bit color. That is (2^8)^3=16.7 million colors. HDR is 10-bit color. That is (2^10)^3=1.07 billion colors. HDR can also provide truer blacks. But the difference is basically in the greatly increased number of colors. The M1 iPad has no issue displaying HDR, nor does my iPad Air 2020. No device can make a crap show or movie that was filmed too dark look great.

Your description of HDR is inaccurate.

HDR is definitely meant to provide increased contrast and brightness:

“It does that by boosting contrast and brightness, and providing a wider range of colors than you can get with current 1080p content and displays.”

 
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milgauss88

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I don’t get what OP is expecting out of the 12.9 but I definitely see no issue with Dolby Vision/HDR on my 12.9 whether it’s Apple TV, Disney or YouTube. I just ran an AB test with my wife’s 2021 11’ watching Avengers Endgame on Apple TV and Disney+ and no issue on both apps. The part where Captain America uses Thor’s hammer against Thanos; the Dolby Vision/HDR was definitely there! The brightness of the hammer lightning was way brighter on my 12.9. The 11’ was more muted. The overall contrast, highlights, colour and dynamic range is way better on my 12.9. I don’t see any issue with dark scenes and they are well presented on the 12.9.
 
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rui no onna

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Your description of HDR is inaccurate.

HDR is definitely meant to provide increased contrast and brightness:

“It does that by boosting contrast and brightness, and providing a wider range of colors than you can get with current 1080p content and displays.”


Sure but HDR isn't supposed to make dark scenes brighter. What we get are deeper blacks and brighter whites.
 

Seanm87

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I’m actually gonna stick up for OP here. There are tons of posts online about Dolby Vision being too dark compared to HDR10.

I was watching Loki last night and the contrast was poor. There was a scene where they are in a room and there are lights above them. The Lights should be brighter than they are in the scene by a substantial amount. Not on my iPad by the way the TV. No settings changes will make a difference. Disney plus is particularly bad for it. Netflix tends to be a bit better but HDR10 is always way brighter and punchier.

However I don’t have a mini LED iPad so cant say for that. But its a general thing with Dolby Vision.
 
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GeekPandaCH

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Just download the shows in Netflix or any other streaming app that supports it and they will look brighter as intended. It seems to be a streaming issue limitation… I have reported this to Netflix already…
 

sparksd

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Just download the shows in Netflix or any other streaming app that supports it and they will look brighter as intended. It seems to be a streaming issue limitation… I have reported this to Netflix already…

Unlike with Netflix where that does work, I tried this with Apple TV+ (For All Mankind episode S2E7 which I reference earlier here) and it didn't make any difference in brightness (2021 12.9 iPP).
 

doxielover

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I was outside with my new Pad Pro 12.9 2021 and my iPad Air 2 both at full brightness the iPad Air was brighter outside isn’t that strange. Also speaker volume isn’t as loud on the iPad Pro listening to YouTube at the same settings. What’s going on?
 

Kylo83

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Even the new iPhone 13 pro max watching Disney plus Dolby vision is dark as hell, turning on low power mode fixes it, why can’t the phone play Dolby vision bright like it does with YouTube and it’s own videos filmed in Dolby vision
 

mark34

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Apple TV, For All Mankind, Season 2, Episode 7 - look at time starting about 39:00 in (two women in room, talking together). On my 2021 12.9 Pro, the scene is quite dark; on my Samsung 4K HDR TV with the Apple TV app, it appears normally lit.

Edit: I can confirm that the Apple TV app on the TV supports 4K HDR -

https://www.samsung.com/us/support/answer/ANS00082624/

Edit - Ignore, this a result of poor viewing conditions (bright room), not improper display. iPad Pro looks great/same when viewed in same lighting as TV is used.
That's interesting. I found For All Mankind to be a great "show off" show for the 12.9 pro. The moon shots are incredible. The worst offender I found was Loki on Disney and Hit and Run on Netflix. I believe this is the fault of the content and not the screen. Most shows pop on the 12.9 Pro. I was just watching Squid Game and wow! The dark scenes are intentionally dark, but you can still see what the director intended. There is a pitch black scene with strobes that works brilliantly. The bright colorful scenes are remarkable. Really cool show, FYI. A bit demented.
 

mark34

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But watching shows on Disney plus is dark Loki was horrible it’s not how it should be like I said hdr isn’t working well on anything apart from YouTube even infuse reached out to me after I said a hdr 4k rip is so dark and not getting the extra brightness they said there is an issue and they are working on an update
Loki is a problem for any device. it's just a show that is too dark.
 

mark34

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I think the OP issue is with content producers not the iPad Pro. It is true that some shows are just too dark for most people, even in dark rooms, even on an incredible screen like this. But there is no doubt that the 12.9 pro screen does a remarkable job with almost all of the content I have tried, HDR or not. Even old series like Fringe look great!
 
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