Don’t forget the Mac keyboard base would require a built-in battery. That’ll probably bump up the cost.
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iPad We need to file a class action lawsuit for iPadOS
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If an iPad switches to MacOS when connected to such a keyboard, it is reduced to a screen with no iPad functionalities. Is it then an iPad? Not really, it is just a screen.
Personally, I think it makes good sense to utilise the iPad optionally as a dumb screen when connected.
I think I found the Max Tech video.
Iirc, he (or maybe someone else) did a follow up video running two heavy tasks simultaneously and I believe it made a difference there.
I don’t think I’ve ever had experience with Windows precision enabled trackpads but If I compare the trackpad on my Dell work computer vs the one on the Magic keyboard or the trackpad that came with my iMac, the Dell one is really horrible to use.
Other than that I’m fine with Windows too, but I always use it with a mouse
I think it’s pretty much conventional wisdom that iPadOS is (intentionally) trash. But why sue? Instead of updating my 2018 iPad Pro, I bought a Galaxy Tab Ultra. And, oh my God, Android is like a dream compared to iPadOS, IMO. Fully customizable, expandable, intuitive, absolutely zero intentional crippling of the software. Only thing I miss is Airdrop from my phone… but that’s why I’m probably going to switch phone platforms too. I honestly had no idea how much more robust Android is until now.
To be clear, I LOVE my M1 Max MacBook Pro. But for tablets, I’m done with Apple for the foreseeable future.
To be clear, I LOVE my M1 Max MacBook Pro. But for tablets, I’m done with Apple for the foreseeable future.
"pretty much conventional wisdom that iPadOS is (intentionally) trash" - in your personal opinion, it may be trash but it is in no way "conventional wisdom".
I got a maxed out Tab S8 ultra on launch and this morning I got a 12.9 M1 pro.
In my opinion iPadOS is far from trash, I actually like it, but it's limited, OneUI is definitely a superior OS in almost everything.
That does not make the S8 ultra a better device than the M1 pro.
Hardware-wise the iPad pro is superior in everything except size (which is the main reason why I bought the S8 ultra)
The screen is better (because it's less reflective), the speed is amazing, not even close when browsing, there is hardly any accidental touch (which is for me the main issue with the Samsung tablets that have small bezels) and the magic keyboard is also superior.
And there are better apps in the store, although for my I use (I don't draw) they are almost on par on that front.
So it's basically better hardware vs better OS (and a few more pro apps, but that really depends on the apps you use)
I really wish the iPad pro had some of the features of OneUI and that the S8 ultra had the hardware of the iPad pro (but keep its size). It would be much easier for Apple to make iPadOS better than for Samsung to catch up with the hardware.
Having said that both can be very limiting for work if you need desktop software for your work.
The main reason for me getting iPad was the vast amount of capable iPadOS apps that were well reviewed and that neither have Android versions nor Android alternatives.
If not for that, I wouldnt probably own an iPad now, its all about apps, no limitations if compared to Android which has pretty paltry choice compared to iOS/iPadOS.
Looking from todays perspective and my own experience:
Samsung tablets, higher tier ones, come with OLED displays, which I would prefer over miniLED in my 12.9.
Also, Samsung have upped their game when it comes to number of major OS upgrades and security upgrades, its now longer than it was and pretty considerable imho.
Where I live, Samsung has lots of promotions with freebies and cashbacks for their devices, Apple has basically none, while Samsungs are rather generous ones!
iPads, on the other hand, have more powerful innards which makes them, at least theoretically, much more capable in handling demanding tasks.
iPadOS also has considerably longer and, imho, better software support and update cycle.
And, yes, apps still remain the main factor even today, after 3 years with iPads, for me.
But, yes, iPadOS has lots to learn from DeX, and Im not sure if Apple will ever bring proper external display, multitasking support, let alone MAC apps to iPads.
If they do, I wouldnt find any issues investing-upgrading to 1TB/2TB model of 12.9 when the new one comes out and using it as my computer replacement instead of thinking about M1 series Macbooks or updated Surface's in the near future(summer/autumn).
The only thing resembling conventional wisdom here was your response.
Nice. Did you get rid of your 2018 pro and replaced it with the M1?
Apple always plays it too safe in my view. Samsung takes more risks and sometimes introduces half baked features, but they always improve upon them in subsequent updates, making them really great. Dex basically was a good example of that.
Samsung definitely has long term vision in this (unlike google who abandon their products all the time)
The only reasons I stick with the iPad Pro at the moment is the ecosystem integration with my Mac and I prefer the aspect ratio and the higher brightness levels outside of the iPad Pro. The S8 lineup is really compelling though (The S7 was already too)
Interesting. I checked out the S8 Ultra as I was curious/interested - I've owned 6 Android tablets - but I was put off by the screen reflectivity. High reflectivity was why I removed the screen protector from my 2021 12.9 (I wasn't interested in a matte).
Well, but Who will Bell the Cat? 😂😂 It's not that easy mate!!
Yep, good ol' Aesop. Just like all of the other calls for class action suits that pop up on the forums - some people call for them but are never willing to take the ball.
There are always opinions of 'iPad OS sucks' but never any backup as to why it apparently sucks other than 'because its not a Mac.' At this point I would point out no, its not a Mac and Apple never advertised it as such. Had the OP just brought an M1 Macbook Air they wouldn't have posted a badly punctuated rant about how they basically brought the wrong appliance for the job and this somehow entitles them to sue the manufacturers. "Its about time we sued Morphy Richards for not letting us cook toast in a kettle"
No, I didn't. I actually got rid of my 2015 12.9. I was planning on keeping both the 2015 and the 2018 (and not buy a M1) because I use them as pen-enabled external monitors for my desktop, but 2 reasons pushed me to sell the 2015 despite the fact that I had the battery serviced last year. The main reason is that the replacement device was starting to develop a bright spot. It was still very faint, barely visible, but so was the one on my 10.5 pro at the beginning and I did not want to take the risk. Second, the pen performance with duet and spacedesk was laggy. Sidecar was ok, but I was using it with Windows. And honestly reducing the number of lightning devices for a non iPhone user is always a good thing.
I sold it with the smart keyboard for 400, which is fair I think for a device with a new battery...
I got a 128GB 5G M1 with Magic keyboard for $1000, battery basically new (only 9 cycles, as the iPad was bought a couple of months ago and barely used).
The 2018 is not going to be sold, it's a keeper. I like the fact that it's lighter for when I need to hold it for a prolonged time, e.g. for reading a word or pdf document. Battery is still 95% on the 2018.
I plan on keeping both for the long term. I am only debating whether I'll keep both magic keyboards (I already had one) or sell one....
Concerning Samsung I agree. Personally I am not locked in the ecosystem, and I like having both aspect ratios, the ultra for movies and the iPad for portrait use.
But when I go on holidays I am taking the iPad, not the Samsung (cellular was another reason to get the device, although outside holidays I use my cellular 11in pro on the go).
PS One interesting thing I have noticed when comparing the 3 generation (1st, 3rd and 5th) for YouTube is that while the first 2 generation can only play 1080p and no more, the 3rd (and I guess the 4th) can play above 1080p but only in the YouTube app, not in Safari, and the 5th can finally play above 1080p in Safari too (which is what I use for YouTube, because I don't want ads). Nice.
Also I compared the speakers and there is a very slight improvement going from the 1st to the 3rd and to the 5th gen, but you only notice side by side, they are all very close...
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I agree, that's why I use a matte screen protector... So you lose the benefit of OLED either because of reflections or because of the screen protector, unless you are in a very dark room.
Having said that I never cared too much for Oled or Miniled anyway... I am ok with IPS.
The M1 has a beautiful screen and for now I am enjoying with no protector, but the pencil feel is terrible without a screen protector and I am a bit worries I could scratch it... We'll see....
One way to reduce reflections is to NOT use dark mode. And that's what I am doing now with my M1 pro. But on an oled screen that's means less battery life compared to dark mode, and more risk of burn-in in the long run....
As I said, that's very personal. Personally, I have zero apps that I use that are better on iPad than on Samsung, other than Lumafusion, that is soon coming anyway....
I can't draw and I don't do photo editing and I barely use social networks on tablets (which by the way are going to be optimised apparently with Android L and the new upcoming Pixel tablet).
OLED is not an argument for me, for the reasons I mentioned above. Nor is software support. Samsung gives you 5 years now which is plenty given that on Android apps are supported for much longer than on IOS once an Android OS version is dropped.
I don't use DEX on the tablet, I much prefer OneUI, which still has incredible multitasking abilities that iPadOS is far from having. The only use for DEX for me is for extended external monitors (OneUI on the tablet and DEX on the monitor), another feature iPadOS lacks.
The real advantage of the iPad for me is hardware, the magic keyboard, the speed, the lack of accidental touches, and, but I know this may be very specific, selecting text with fingers is much better and smoother on iPad than it is on Windows and Android. And that's something I do a lot on tablets.
For me (a 30+ year Apple fanboy, and owner of 2 iPad Pros), the the failings of iPadOS are many… primarily, an abysmal file system that easily loses files, can only handle a tiny number of file types, and is bizarrely awkward. The last straw for me was attempting to import fonts for use across multiple applications, and finding it nearly impossible, even with Fontinator and the other font managers for iOS.
On Android, it was dead simple. Plus, suddenly, I had an OS that recognized file types, made unzipping and installing simple, made using removable external drives simple, made mirroring to an external monitor simple, made UI customization possible, etc. etc. etc.
And this isn’t a slam on Apple, they COULD implement all these features, but it’s not their vision for the product. It’s very important for iPads to not cannibalize Mac sales, so iPadOS is MEANT to be very limiting. And they did a very good job of it.
I have to give 👍 up to the OP
If I had started a similar complain barely anyone would had replied, never mind 15 pages
If I had started a similar complain barely anyone would had replied, never mind 15 pages
Yep, 15 pages and nary a volunteer to start that suit. "Somebody should do something about that!"
The OP doesn't have a leg to stand on.
Defence: "Why didn't the accuser just buy a MacBook Air?"
OP: "Erm......"
Defence: "Case closed."
I’m not always 100% convinced this argument is true. Isn’t it more in apple’s interest to sell more iPads because on an iPad you are more locked into the App Store and therefore the cut apple takes. It also is better suited for services like Arcade. So you could argue they make more money on top of the device sale with an iPadAnd this isn’t a slam on Apple, they COULD implement all these features, but it’s not their vision for the product. It’s very important for iPads to not cannibalize Mac sales, so iPadOS is MEANT to be very limiting. And they did a very good job of it.
On a Mac, you can install software anyway you want, completely bypassing the additional revenue stream for apple.
Now, I’m sure they still prefer you to buy both off course
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