Web 1.1 - Building The Renegade Net

[galgot]

I took the liberty to add a section in then wiki :
Old Macs technical infos and howto Websites
with two websites so far :
Apple Macintosh PowerBook Information & resource archive
Really a gem. Everything about PowerBooks on one site. Very simple but effective presentation. I think it's from a user here but can't find who. Anyway thanks to him for this page.
Tested in Classica on 8.6 on a Wallstreet, display perfect.
And,
AppleFool's Classic Mac Networking guide
Another gem. All about Classic MacOS networking, testing , howto... ect.
Loads fine in Classica on 8.6 on a Wallstreet the same. Must have in your bookmarks.

I just tested these on the Mac and system mentioned above, and don't know much about the technicallities of web stuff , so if these are not fitting the Web 1.1 specs , feel free to remove.

Edit: two screenshots, cause I like screenshots :

 

[RogerWilco6502]

I took the liberty to add a section in then wiki :
Old Macs technical infos and howto Websites
with two websites so far :
Apple Macintosh PowerBook Information & resource archive
Really a gem. Everything about PowerBooks on one site. Very simple but effective presentation. I think it's from a user here but can't find who. Anyway thanks to him for this page.
Tested in Classica on 8.6 on a Wallstreet, display perfect.
And,
AppleFool's Classic Mac Networking guide
Another gem. All about Classic MacOS networking, testing , howto... ect.
Loads fine in Classica on 8.6 on a Wallstreet the same. Must have in your bookmarks.

I just tested these on the Mac and system mentioned above, and don't know much about the technicallities of web stuff , so if these are not fitting the Web 1.1 specs , feel free to remove.

Edit: two screenshots, cause I like screenshots :
View attachment 1769035 View attachment 1769036

AppleFool's Networking Guide actually has a great tip on how you can stick a service from 10.5 in 10.6 and make 10.6 able to talk to OS 9 machines.

I added some more good resources: Floodgap Systems and a guide on PowerBook networking.

 

[z970]

- Removed PowerBook 1400 Wireless Networking Guide (Safari 4.1.3 / Camino 2.1.2 unable to connect; no HTTP version).

- Moved PowerBook Information & Resource Archive to Specialty Websites (without Message Boards).

- Moved Classic Mac Networking to Specialty Websites (without Message Boards).

- Moved Floodgap Systems to Personal Websites.

- Replaced HTTPS links with HTTP links were applicable.

In order to maintain a high standard of information, please ensure submitted websites are accessible at least through Classilla and Safari 4 (IE 5 compatibility is strongly encouraged), and that HTTP links are used over HTTPS links on sites that offer both, otherwise a site that is accessible through Classilla and Safari 4 but still only offers HTTPS must be labeled to require SSL (like Based Cooking, for example).

Typically, website main pages should also be used over sub-pages when listing a site (because this is a directory of websites, not webpages), but as AppleFool provided no way of accessing the Classic Mac Networking guide from his site's main page, I made an exception.

In addition, when listing a site, place it within Personal Websites if the author commonly uses the phases "me", "I", "my", or "personal", therein signifying the intended usage of their website.

Most of this is my fault for not properly outlining in advance, but I suppose we're still simply learning as we go. Regardless, I'll add a couple guidelines for website submission when I get time; I can see that this initiative has already grown out of the WikiPost's preface!

 

[RogerWilco6502]

- Removed PowerBook 1400 Wireless Networking Guide (Safari 4.1.3 / Camino 2.1.2 unable to connect; no HTTP version).

- Moved PowerBook Information & Resource Archive to Specialty Websites (without Message Boards).

- Moved Classic Mac Networking to Specialty Websites (without Message Boards).

- Moved Floodgap Systems to Personal Websites.

- Replaced HTTPS links with HTTP links were applicable.

In order to maintain a high standard of information, please ensure submitted websites are accessible at least through Classilla and Safari 4 (IE 5 compatibility is strongly encouraged), and that HTTP links are used over HTTPS links on sites that offer both, otherwise a site that is accessible through Classilla and Safari 4 but still only offers HTTPS must be labeled to require SSL (like Based Cooking, for example).

Typically, website main pages should also be used over sub-pages when listing a site (because this is a directory of websites, not webpages), but as AppleFool provided no way of accessing the Classic Mac Networking guide from his site's main page, I made an exception.

In addition, when listing a site, place it within Personal Websites if the author commonly uses the phases "me", "I", "my", or "personal", therein signifying the intended usage of their website.

Most of this is my fault for not properly outlining in advance, but I suppose we're still simply learning as we go. Regardless, I'll add a couple guidelines for website submission when I get time; I can see that this initiative has already grown out of the WikiPost's preface!

Ah, my apologies for the bad additions.

 

[z970]

@RogerWilco6502 There are no bad additions, but there might be some misplaced ones every now and then usually due to confusion or lack of clarity (which again, is probably predominantly my fault over anyone else's).

As previously stated, we learn as we go.

 

[RogerWilco6502]

@RogerWilco6502 There are no bad additions, but there might be some misplaced ones every now and then usually due to confusion or lack of clarity (which again, is probably predominantly my fault over anyone else's).

As previously stated, we learn as we go.

Ok, sounds good. Thank you, I'll keep what you said in mind in the future.

 

[Doq]

I finished version 1 of ame.lmao.rip today; it's a Web 1.1 compliant backport of my main development homepage ameowli.dev.

I wish I could have made it something like 'old.ameowli.dev', but .devs enforce HSTS at the TLD level, so if I were to do that it would have absolutely had to have been HTTPS and unencrypted HTTP would've been not an option. Instead I chose to change the domain to have that vintage HTTP compatibility.

I've tested (or will test) ame.lmao.rip under the following test environments:

Machine	OS version	Browser	Result
A1046 PowerBook G4 15"	Mac OS X 10.4.11	Safari 3.0.4	Fully compatible, no issues
A1046 PowerBook G4 15"	Mac OS X 10.4.11	Internet Explorer:mac 5.2	Fully compatible, no issues
A1104 PowerBook G4 12"	Mac OS X 10.5.8	Safari 5.0.6	Fully compatible, no issues
A1002 eMac	Mac OS 9.2.2	Classilla 9.3.4b	Works. Imaged links have a border around the image.

Signature starfield coming in version 2.

Might also take up the image host concept from the OP. More on this later.

 

[Dronecatcher]

@Doq Looking good...works on Classilla 9.3.3

 

[crimsonRE]

http://www.nextcomputers.org/ - the hub for enthusiasts of the workstations produced by NeXT Computers (founded by S. Jobs after leaving Apple) and the associated operating systems, NextStep/OpenStep (the great-grandparents of OS X). The site has a NextStep software archive, as well as a reasonably active forum - none of which require SSL/TLS. I view/post to it using OmniWeb 2.7 under NextStep 3.3 on my several NeXT boxes. [NB: OmniWeb 5.11.2 is the final version for PPC, running OS X 10.4.8 and up]
As this is perhaps my second post ever here, someone else may need to place this into the wiki list. [Posting from a PB G4 15" DLSD. I personally own no newer machines of any sort, Mac/PC/whatever]

 

[crimsonRE]

http://www.sgistuff.net/ - Gerhard Lenerz's excellent site giving an fairly extensive overview of Silicon Graphics Inc. machines and their associated operating system, IRIX (a UNIX derivative with X Windows as the graphical UI, & their 4DWM user environment). Likely a decent template for Web 1.1 design of an information-rich structured website...

 

[z970]

@crimsonRE Added.

 

[galgot]

Related to NeXT and Apple, with tons of infos :

Rhapsody Resource Page

www.rhapsodyos.org

Loads fine on Omniweb in Mac OSX Server (rhapsody). Doesn't seem to shout at Java and https (can't do the last anyway).

 

[z970]

@galgot Added.

 

[Doq]

So this isn't necessarily specific to the web (and thus, this thread), but--

Chat room site
A casual chat site used for instant messaging between anonymous or identified users spanning varied topics. Chat rooms should also be moderated in some form to protect younger users.

While it is completely possible to do such a thing in the browser, even given our limited scope; our target era would really benefit from a software solution. This was the era where instant messaging was dominated by AIM, after all.

So, with that knowledge, what about KDX?

It's a little bit unwieldy for just IM, but it's far more readily accessible than modified AIM or MSN Messenger clients, especially on our hardware, and the Mac version is Carbonised, so it'll work on both OS 9 and OS X.

The chat functionality also exposes an IRC bridge function, so even older machines can connect no problem.

 

[z970]

@Doq That's an interesting option, and certainly a viable one if one wishes to have a functional result ... although I think its interface would probably fare a little better in OS 9 than OS X. But other than that, I agree with you that the current alternative options for local chat clients are sub-optimal, which is why I suggested a dedicated website.

That said, it should probably be saved or listed somewhere so people will at least have the option to use it, especially if it still works. But in any case, it was just an idea for the chat-inclined; not a strong desire.

 

[RogerWilco6502]

I'm planning to redo my website once I can get time. Anyone have any recommendations for what I can change design-wise?

Content will stay the same, design is the only thing that'll change.

 

[z970]

Good news everyone! Web 1.1 is now a thing you can visually appreciate!

Or in layman's terms, we have badges!

If you'd like to spread awareness of this brilliantly-defiant movement, you can embed any one of your choice into your website, preferably linking to this address.

Enjoy!

- - -

- Added sgistuff.net to Specialty Websites (without Message Boards) w/ a tongue-in-cheek description of site.

- Added reFlash to Multimedia Websites.

- Added Promotional Badges category.

- Added promotional badges to Promotional Badges (so you can steal these promotional badges from Promotional Badges to place next to your other promotional badges promoting some other website's promotional badges).

 

[galgot]

I'm planning to redo my website once I can get time. Anyone have any recommendations for what I can change design-wise?

Content will stay the same, design is the only thing that'll change.

If I may, I found that sticking with pages not wider than 700-600 pix look best. Like the ame.lmao.rip or System7today.com page, or the VGA page which is even smaller at 500 pix width .
Early web sites were made to be read on much smaller screen than we are now used to. Even a 600 pix width page looks big on a PowerBook 3400c for example.
Must be more challenging to design, but looks better.

 

[Dronecatcher]

Although it sounds tiny, 500px was the optimal size for my site to retain the grid layout's design integrity.

As it is, it just fits inside the Classilla window on my iBook which along with Safari 4 was my target browser.

 

[RogerWilco6502]

If I may, I found that sticking with pages not wider than 700-600 pix look best. Like the ame.lmao.rip or System7today.com page, or the VGA page which is even smaller at 500 pix width .
Early web sites were made to be read on much smaller screen than we are now used to. Even a 600 pix width page looks big on a PowerBook 3400c for example.
Must be more challenging to design, but looks better.

Although it sounds tiny, 500px was the optimal size for my site to retain the grid layout's design integrity.

As it is, it just fits inside the Classilla window on my iBook which along with Safari 4 was my target browser.

Ok, thanks for the input!

I do intend to limit the width of my site as well as center it in the browser window, I feel like that would give some good usability improvements.

 

[z970]

- Added Macintosh Garden Image Hosting.

 

[Macbookprodude]

@Doq Looking good...works on Classilla 9.3.3

On a side note, stay away from 9.3.4b - it’s alpha and every site I try to load with it ends in failure.. 9.3.3 is much better. Also, I am preparing to write a site dedicated to the Titanium - what OS 9 app to use to write it ?

 

[Dronecatcher]

Also, I am preparing to write a site dedicated to the Titanium - what OS 9 app to use to write it ?

I designed my site with TextWrangler.

 

[crimsonRE]

Given that many folks here are not web designers and are not going to spend the time to learn HTML/CSS to design even a Web 1.1 site (e.g., folks suggesting BBEdit & TextWrangler to create web pages), Mozilla/Classilla can be used for that purpose. Remember that it is essentially a suite of software, having quite a few functions: web browser, email & USENET news reader, and web page creator/editor (including ftp upload of pages to your server). There are many others (iWeb & KompoZer for PPC come to mind), but Mozilla/Classilla seems to be quite appropriate given our target....

 

[galgot]

For very easy to use web design app from OS X 10.5 up to 10.11, there is also iWeb. It make very nice pages super easy, without java and stuff. I've read the resulting pages code is not super clean, but from my small experience it works very well.
This is a site I've done with iWeb years ago, it loads fine on Classilla :
ATAR site
It's archived now on my main site server so it doesn't have his own domain...