Other Web browsers for early Intel Macs

[Raging Dufus]

That's because they treat anybody who volunteers their time to the project like crap. Well, and their users too. The mac dev who came after me must have had enough, just like me and the others before me. Unlike Tobin who doesn't work and has nothing better to do, we all have jobs and a life outside of uxp and can't spend 24 hours a day on it like he does. Then they harp on you for working on other projects at the same time. Not worth the hassle.

Yeah, I figured that was part of it. Can hardly blame anyone for walking away, given the lack of appreciation.

Too bad really, because their disdain for "Mac people" aside, they put out a good product.

 

[wicknix]

Oh, they don't just dislike Mac people, they also hate anything BSD. Yeah, product is good, but the forum and lead devs are toxic. Anyway, with FF Legacy and Chromium Legacy available, losing Pale Moon isn't really going to break anybodies heart.

This kind of stuff is what i'm talking about. https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=26386

 

[davigarma]

Another alternative I'm testing in Yosemite 10.10: Dissenter, based on Chromium 78 and Brave. It works great, you have the option to turn Widevine on or off and watch Netflix etc. I don't know if it works in 10.8 now I don't have the partition here but it is very good. Chrome's "no longer support" sign no longer appears

 

[Wowfunhappy]

A browser based on Chromium 78 is not going to work in anything older than 10.10.

I wonder how they got Widevine to work in a fork though...

 

[davigarma]

Un navegador basado en Chromium 78 no funcionará en nada anterior a la 10.10.

Sin embargo, me pregunto cómo lograron que Widevine funcionara en una bifurcación ...

?
Widevine is a wonderful contribution. The "Achilles heel" of many developments for "non-expert" users. How they did it: you will have to ask them, you know where they are. I have no idea ?

 

[Wowfunhappy]

I highly recommend Firefox 78 ESR if you need Widevine support on 10.10 or 10.9. An old version of Chromium isn't going to get security updates.

 

[davigarma]

I highly recommend Firefox 78 ESR if you need Widevine support on 10.10 or 10.9. An old version of Chromium isn't going to get security updates.

Firefox 78 esr ends its support in three months (in July). Therefore, it is time to look for alternatives, and I find this one very good. I've tested 5 digital content providers and Widevine works on all of them

 

[Wowfunhappy]

Firefox 78 esr ends its support in three months (in July). Therefore, it is time to look for alternatives, and I find this one very good. I've tested 5 digital content providers and Widevine works on all of them

Firefox 78 ESR is actually supported until October That still puts it well ahead of Chromium 78. This browser is going to drop support for Yosemite as soon as they rebase to a newer version of Chromium.

Sorry.

 

[davigarma]

Firefox 78 ESR is actually supported until October That still puts it well ahead of Chromium 78. This browser is going to drop support for Yosemite as soon as they rebase to a newer version of Chromium.

Sorry.

Wow :-(. We're done.

I just downloaded Chromium 91 for Yosemite. And I've tried all 5 digital providers to test Widevine. Only 1 out of 5 says yes. My cable provider. Netflix says no, Amazon Prime doesn't, etc. Something is something. Hopefully it gets better. But Chromium is slow and heavy.

Thanks ! ?

 

[wicknix]

@Raging Dufus : Heh. Now they deleted the mac section on their forum and are removing mac code from UXP.

White Star 29.1.1 - Pale Moon forum

How childish. I applaud dbsoft for walking away like most everyone else did. By them removing mac code it will be a bit harder to keep mac builds going, but still possible. Oh well, it doesn't affect Linux so my powerpc forks wont be going away at least.

 

[Amethyst1]

@wicknix - what about Faded Orb? Is that Linux-only? (sorry if that's a stupid question)

 

[wicknix]

Currently yeah, I only did the png icons and built it for ppc Linux.

 

[Raging Dufus]

@Raging Dufus : Heh. Now they deleted the mac section on their forum and are removing mac code from UXP.

White Star 29.1.1 - Pale Moon forum

How childish. I applaud dbsoft for walking away like most everyone else did. By them removing mac code it will be a bit harder to keep mac builds going, but still possible. Oh well, it doesn't affect Linux so my powerpc forks wont be going away at least.

What a bunch of petty BS. And fitting that Tobin chose a Dalek as his avatar. Good grief.

 

[TheShortTimer]

On snow leopard i use arctic fox and spiderweb.

Cheers

I really like SpiderWeb: it's swift and simple, which are great qualities for a browser - especially on lower specced machines. The fact that YouTube works and plays videos in HD without any glitches is enough to win me over.

My question is this: how do you get the language packs and spelling to activate?

 

[wicknix]

how do you get the language packs and spelling to activate?

Due to SpiderWebs simple and lightweight design, language packs aren't supported. However, InterWeb has support for it, and dictionaries, if you really need them. I uploaded an archive on InterWebs page with a bunch of commonly used ones that can be installed.

Cheers

 

[Wowfunhappy]

@Raging Dufus : Heh. Now they deleted the mac section on their forum and are removing mac code from UXP.

White Star 29.1.1 - Pale Moon forum

How childish. I applaud dbsoft for walking away like most everyone else did.

I'm very much in favor of enforcing open source licenses, but good grief, nothing warranted that level of hostility! Or any hostility. Geez.

 

[bobesch]

This kind of stuff is what i'm talking about. https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=26386

Huh, that's a weird discussion thread and weird attitudes of project supporters & contributors ... (% & # "§ * ... ?)
Thanks for linking that discussion!
When I read between the lines my only conclusion is: better to stay off! - on Mac and on Windows & Linux.

 

[HarryButtle]

Hello All,

I am new here and am hoping to benefit from the experience of the much more tech savvy users of older operating systems than myself. I have a late 2011 15” MacBook Pro which I have recently sent in to IT Elite to have their software/hardware GPU fix performed and aside from a couple of not directly related issues, the fix seems to be working and I’ve experienced no video issues so far. I have swapped the HD for a 960GB Crucial M500 that is currently being written over with 0s. I plan on installing Snow Leopard from a 15” MacBook Pro Disk that I managed to beg from AppleCare when I first purchased the computer. I also purchased an iLife ‘11 disc as the SL disc is just the OS. My main objective for using Snow Leopard on this computer is to install iTunes 10.7 of which I have a download of. I realize I also need a browser for the rare occasion I need to search online, which has brought me to this thread. I admit to being fairly ignorant of the issues regarding browsers and their security as well as other issues... I have a sense that these things need to be updated regularly just to function properly as well. I am a bit overwhelmed by the choices offered in the beginning of this post so hope that there is perhaps a consensus favorite among them that might be recommended for my basic needs? Any other related advice is also greatly appreciated!

Thanks!

 

[wicknix]

From a security standpoint, Arctic Fox gets updated the most pretty regularly. However it's based on an older mozilla code base and may not handle certain websites very well. From a web compatibility standpoint, InterWeb is probably the most capable browser for snow leopard. It's pretty much the same as firefox-legacy 52.9, but with more bells and whistles. Those would be my 2 recommendations if you plan to surf regularly. Nothing wrong with the others either. Try them all and see what fits your style and needs best. I personally use SpiderWeb the most on snow leopard, but i also prefer it's customizability and minimalism vs the more feature rich alternatives.

Cheers

 

[HarryButtle]

Thanks very much for the recommendations, I will focus on those you cite and see which works best for me.

 

[Amethyst1]

I have swapped the HD for a 960GB Crucial M500 that is currently being written over with 0s

Why? That's not necessary with SSDs (and not even fully effective when it comes to securely erasing them), a simple Secure Erase is good enough.

I plan on installing Snow Leopard from a 15” MacBook Pro Disk that I managed to beg from AppleCare when I first purchased the computer.

I hope it's at least version 10.6.6 - earlier versions will not boot on a 2011 MBP.

 

[passatgt]

So i basically tested all of the options mentioned in post #1. Did JS benchmarks and HTML5 tests. On the JS benchmark, basically all browsers performed the same(between 10.000 and 12.000 points with Octane 2.0 test).
On the HTML5 support, lowest score was arctic fox. Best score was Chromium, closely followed by Firefox Legacy.

However, the performance of Firefox legacy beat everything. I can even play 1080p youtube in full screen without frame drops:

Test was done on iMac 6,1 24" with OSX 10.8.5

 

[gfmacis]

From a security standpoint, Arctic Fox gets updated the most pretty regularly. However it's based on an older mozilla code base and may not handle certain websites very well. From a web compatibility standpoint, InterWeb is probably the most capable browser for snow leopard. It's pretty much the same as firefox-legacy 52.9, but with more bells and whistles. Those would be my 2 recommendations if you plan to surf regularly. Nothing wrong with the others either. Try them all and see what fits your style and needs best. I personally use SpiderWeb the most on snow leopard, but i also prefer it's customizability and minimalism vs the more feature rich alternatives.

Cheers

Great work Sir !! Congratulations on Arctic Fox and helpful sharing infos

 

[MacBiter]

Could someone give their opinion as to which of these is best / recommended running on 10.6.8? I have a VM of that and virtually cannot do any useful browsing.

As for Mavericks, Firefox 78 ESR was fine until Netflix, ITV, and Channel 4 stopped working (Widevine), but Chromium Legacy is a godsend.

 

[Wowfunhappy]

Could someone give their opinion as to which of these is best / recommended running on 10.6.8? I have a VM of that and virtually cannot do any useful browsing.

InterWeb has become my go-to on Snow Leopard, it seems to have the best website compatibility.