Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.

mattopotamus

macrumors G5
Jun 12, 2012
14,738
6,109
If you need to make those kind of modifications and more additional hardware to supply power, then the Nexus 4 does not support USB OTG. A modified, hacked, and jerry-rigged Nexus 4 supports it.

----------



If it has different specs from the Moto X then the next Nexus, which will not be called Nexus 4 by the way, will not be based on it.

If the current Nexus 4 had different specs from the Optimus G, it wouldn't serve as the base. What is meant by serving as the base is basically using all of the same parts and putting it into a new package (why do you think the Nexus 4 has an unused LTE chip?). Changing any key components makes it no longer based on a device, CPU being one of those key components. That other device at that point would serve as more of a reference, but definitely not a base.


Sorry to be so blunt, but Google won't base their next Nexus on your sweet spot.
All signs point to an LG made Nexus 5 based on the G2. Meaning expect a 5.2" screen. There is no evidence to support another 4.7" Nexus 4 (2013), not even the slightest bit of evidence. It is just wishful thinking.

you really think it will be called the nexus 5? I think all signs point to nexus 4 2 or nexus 4 (2013). I know you are confident about the LG G2 being used, but I just really seem them keeping it 4, 7, and 10 from this point forward.
 

gotluck

macrumors 603
Dec 8, 2011
5,717
1,260
East Central Florida
I haven't seen anything firm about the g2 becoming the new nexus. Certainly wouldn't say all signs are pointing to g2.

Everything regarding the new nexus has been wishy washy

My bets are on keeping the nexus 4 name.
 

onthecouchagain

macrumors 604
Mar 29, 2011
7,382
2
I haven't seen anything firm about the g2 becoming the new nexus. Certainly wouldn't say all signs are pointing to g2.

Everything regarding the new nexus has been wishy washy

My bets are on keeping the nexus 4 name.

If Motorola is making it I could see it being a 4.7. Google seems to like that spot. I'm game.
 

tbayrgs

macrumors 604
Jul 5, 2009
7,467
5,097
I haven't seen anything firm about the g2 becoming the new nexus. Certainly wouldn't say all signs are pointing to g2.

Everything regarding the new nexus has been wishy washy

My bets are on keeping the nexus 4 name.

There have been mixed reports--some stating it'll be based off the G2 (there's a link in a post a little further back) and other recent claims that it'll be produced by Motorola.

Whomever makes it, I agree with strausd that the name will be based on the display size--4-4.9" and it'll be the Nexus 4, =>5" and it's the Nexus 5. When both of the other two Nexus product's names are representative of their display size, why would you do anything else for the Nexus phone?
 

chagla

macrumors 6502a
Mar 21, 2008
797
1,727
expandable storage - > highly unlilkely !

excellent battery life (3000mah+)
octa core cpu
4gb ram
several LTE bands support
64gb or more storage
improved camera
 

Sensamic

macrumors 68040
Mar 26, 2010
3,072
689
If it's Motorola we can expect two things:

A super amoled display instead of IPS, like the moto x.

Still bad camera performance (have you seen how bad the camera of the moto x is?).

I'm not too excited if Motorola makes the new Nexus.
 

mattopotamus

macrumors G5
Jun 12, 2012
14,738
6,109
If it's Motorola we can expect two things:

A super amoled display instead of IPS, like the moto x.

Still bad camera performance (have you seen how bad the camera of the moto x is?).

I'm not too excited if Motorola makes the new Nexus.

The videos look really bad
 

gotluck

macrumors 603
Dec 8, 2011
5,717
1,260
East Central Florida
There have been mixed reports--some stating it'll be based off the G2 (there's a link in a post a little further back) and other recent claims that it'll be produced by Motorola.

Whomever makes it, I agree with strausd that the name will be based on the display size--4-4.9" and it'll be the Nexus 4, =>5" and it's the Nexus 5. When both of the other two Nexus product's names are representative of their display size, why would you do anything else for the Nexus phone?

I could easily see them keeping the current 4.7" screen size and keeping the name at Nexus 4. Agreed, if they increase screen size, it will be called nexus 5 (if) - Strausd is talking as if this has all already happened.
 
Last edited:

strausd

macrumors 68030
Jul 11, 2008
2,998
1
Texas
you really think it will be called the nexus 5? I think all signs point to nexus 4 2 or nexus 4 (2013). I know you are confident about the LG G2 being used, but I just really seem them keeping it 4, 7, and 10 from this point forward.

Sorry, but no signs point to a Nexus 4 (2013).

I haven't seen anything firm about the g2 becoming the new nexus. Certainly wouldn't say all signs are pointing to g2.

Everything regarding the new nexus has been wishy washy

My bets are on keeping the nexus 4 name.

Google has a brand name, it is called Nexus. The number isn't part of their branding, more of an addition to their branding. The number serves a purpose, and that purpose is to tell people about the screen size. The number is not a constant and can change if screen size changes.

I know this example is slightly different, but the principle is the same. Look at the iPhone. Apple has a clear brand, called iPhone. They also constantly have a number afterwards. The number is not part of the brand, the number is what changes. The number serves a purpose, and that purpose is to tell customers what iPhone it is. Google doesn't use the number in this way for their smartphones, they use the number to tell customers about screen size. But in both cases, the numbers are not constants and can change if need be.

The only real argument you or mattopotamus can have is whether or not Google will change screen sizes as that is the determining factor in the number debate.

You or mattopoamus saying you think Google will make a Nexus 4 (2013) provides no argument. Saying you think it will stay a Nexus 4 and not a Nexus 5 and citing the Nexus 7 as an example doesn't help as screen size did not change. Saying you think it will stay a Nexus 4 because of brand name makes no sense as Nexus is the brand, not 4.

The number is the screen size. If screen size changes, the number changes. When we break down this argument, the only thing that can be argued for or against is the change in screen size and whether or not it will happen. I have reasoned through why more signs point to a Nexus 5 than anything else.

If Motorola is making it I could see it being a 4.7. Google seems to like that spot. I'm game.

Have their been any legitimate sources saying Motorola is making the next Nexus?

Because there has been one about an LG-made Nexus 5.

excellent battery life (3000mah+)
A 3000 mAh battery won't provide excellent battery with the specs you list below, more like decent battery life. And definitely don't expect that big of battery in a phone with only a 4.7" screen.

If it is based on the Moto X, which there is no evidence to support, it will likely have decent battery life since the specs are fairly lackluster.

octa core cpu
No.
No.
several LTE bands support
Most likely.
64gb or more storage
No.
improved camera
Most likely.
 

mattopotamus

macrumors G5
Jun 12, 2012
14,738
6,109
You basis for it not being called a nexus 4 is just as much a hunch as ours. How do you know nexus 4 is not branding? Yes, it is screen size but could be branding.
 

Frankied22

macrumors 68000
Original poster
Nov 24, 2010
1,789
594
There's no point getting into an lengthy argument over what it will be called. It will be called whatever it will be called and we won't know for sure until its unveiled. Until then it's all just speculation. Some people think it will be the new Nexus 4, and others will think its the Nexus 5. I am just excited for it to come out.
 

danakin

macrumors 6502
Dec 6, 2012
339
772
Toronto
A Sony logo.
If they can shoehorn the bulk of the upcoming Honami into a Nexus device I'll be buying one for sure.
 

gotluck

macrumors 603
Dec 8, 2011
5,717
1,260
East Central Florida
You basis for it not being called a nexus 4 is just as much a hunch as ours. How do you know nexus 4 is not branding? Yes, it is screen size but could be branding.

Agreed, we may very well be wrong, but there is very little evidence that LG is doing the next nexus phone (a vague article or 2), aside from status quo.

Recent rumors actually point to Asus doing the Nex 10 as well.. things can shift..

As a business decision, it seems foolish to not take advantage of motorola in some capacity.
 

mattopotamus

macrumors G5
Jun 12, 2012
14,738
6,109
Agreed, we may very well be wrong, but there is very little evidence that LG is doing the next nexus phone (a vague article or 2), aside from status quo.

Recent rumors actually point to Asus doing the Nex 10 as well.. things can shift..

And I would like to point out that all ads I see in the mall clearly say nexus 4, 7, 10. I think they are branding those names and will keep it the 4 for that reason....and I think it will be another 4.7"
 

gotluck

macrumors 603
Dec 8, 2011
5,717
1,260
East Central Florida
And I would like to point out that all ads I see in the mall clearly say nexus 4, 7, 10. I think they are branding those names and will keep it the 4 for that reason....and I think it will be another 4.7"

4.7" with compact form factor is what I want, so I'm biased :D

...but still Nexus 5 => Nexus 7.. That's pretty close..
You never know, Nexus 4,7,10 may be branding.

More signs may point to Nexus 5, but there are only like 2 signs.
 

strausd

macrumors 68030
Jul 11, 2008
2,998
1
Texas
but there is very little evidence that LG is doing the next nexus phone (a vague article or 2)

An article specifically saying that an LG Nexus 5 Prototype in the works is more than just a vague article. Also, that is much more to go on than the absolute nothing you have supporting your "argument" that it will be a new Nexus 4.

There is also nothing to support that 4, 7, 10 are brands. Those are not brands. Those are numbers indicating screen size. 4, 4S, and 5 are not brands. They just tell you which iPhone it is. Simple as that.
 

mattopotamus

macrumors G5
Jun 12, 2012
14,738
6,109
4.7" with compact form factor is what I want, so I'm biased :D

...but still Nexus 5 => Nexus 7.. That's pretty close..
You never know, it may be branding.

Yeah. I think having 4, 7, 10 sounds good and like you said 5-->7 is not too far off. I mentioned earlier is this thread that last year google, in videos, seemed pretty adamant that they had the perfect screen size with the nexus 4.
 

gotluck

macrumors 603
Dec 8, 2011
5,717
1,260
East Central Florida
An article specifically saying that an LG Nexus 5 Prototype in the works is more than just a vague article. Also, that is much more to go on than the absolute nothing you have supporting your "argument" that it will be a new Nexus 4.

There is also nothing to support that 4, 7, 10 are brands. Those are not brands. Those are numbers indicating screen size. 4, 4S, and 5 are not brands. They just tell you which iPhone it is. Simple as that.

status quo is always a good argument. Google just refreshed nexus 7 and seems to be refreshing nexus 10. You cant say that Nexus 4,7,10 are not brands unless you are part of the nexus project either. There's nothing to support that they aren't brands. All of this is rumor based anyways, no facts.

You just hate the motox :p
 

strausd

macrumors 68030
Jul 11, 2008
2,998
1
Texas
status quo is always a good argument. Google just refreshed nexus 7 and seems to be refreshing nexus 10. You cant say that Nexus 4,7,10 are not brands unless you are part of the nexus project either. There's nothing to support that they aren't brands. All of this is rumor based anyways, no facts.

You just hate the motox :p

They are keeping the same number because they are keeping the same screen size. It is a simple fact that people seem to be missing.

I don't hate the Moto X, I am just not interested in an over-priced, under-spec'd carrier device. There is nothing about it that makes it better than my Nexus 4. Also not sure why the Moto X is even in the conversation as this is a thread about the next Nexus. There is nothing to show that the next Nexus will be made by Motorola.
 

Sensamic

macrumors 68040
Mar 26, 2010
3,072
689
I don't know if you guys realize that a Moto X based Nexus 4 this year would be identical to... last year's nexus 4:

Same CPU Snapdragon S4 Pro. The Moto X has the same CPU as the Nexus 4 from last year.

Same 2GB RAM.

Same sized screen with on screen buttons.

Same battery or almost: 2100 vs 2200.

16GB on both.

So a Moto X based Nexus 4 would be no improvement over lasts year's nexus 4.

Actually, the Nexus 4 is almost the same as the new Moto X but cheaper and better because of nexus brand.
 

gotluck

macrumors 603
Dec 8, 2011
5,717
1,260
East Central Florida
They are keeping the same number because they are keeping the same screen size. It is a simple fact that people seem to be missing.

I don't hate the Moto X, I am just not interested in an over-priced, under-spec'd carrier device. There is nothing about it that makes it better than my Nexus 4. Also not sure why the Moto X is even in the conversation as this is a thread about the next Nexus. There is nothing to show that the next Nexus will be made by Motorola.

Because its a 4.7" phone made by Google (tongue in cheek)

And about the specs moto s4 pro has krait 300 cores vs 200 in nexus 4. Marginal likely, but different and only dual core. I would consider the form factor alone an upgrade and it benchmarks higher for whatever that is worth. Lte without hacks too.
 

strausd

macrumors 68030
Jul 11, 2008
2,998
1
Texas
Because its a 4.7" phone made by Google (tongue in cheek)

And about the specs moto s4 pro has krait 300 cores vs 200 in nexus 4. Marginal likely, but different and only dual core. I would consider the form factor alone an upgrade and it benchmarks higher for whatever that is worth. Lte without hacks too.

No, it is a 4.7" phone made by Motorola. Motorola is a company owned by Google, but widely known to operate separately and with no special treatment. Hence why this phone came out with an already old version of Android.
 

gotluck

macrumors 603
Dec 8, 2011
5,717
1,260
East Central Florida
No, it is a 4.7" phone made by Motorola. Motorola is a company owned by Google, but widely known to operate separately and with no special treatment. Hence why this phone came out with an already old version of Android.

Meh, that's all semantics :p

I'm sure the optimus g came out with out of date software.
 

tbayrgs

macrumors 604
Jul 5, 2009
7,467
5,097
They are keeping the same number because they are keeping the same screen size. It is a simple fact that people seem to be missing.

I don't hate the Moto X, I am just not interested in an over-priced, under-spec'd carrier device. There is nothing about it that makes it better than my Nexus 4. Also not sure why the Moto X is even in the conversation as this is a thread about the next Nexus. There is nothing to show that the next Nexus will be made by Motorola.


There's as much to show it's going to be made by Moto as there is that'll be LG again--link posted earlier in this thread and it's much more recent that the rumor you directed us to.

Regardless, everyone here is speculating/dreaming about what they hope or think the next Nexus will be. Simple fact is nothing has been revealed yet so it's all rumor and speculation and arguing over it like either are facts is just nonsense.

I personally hope for something closer in form factor to the Moto X with the internal specs of the LG G2, regardless of whomever makes it.
 

adder7712

macrumors 68000
Mar 9, 2009
1,923
1
Canada
If it's Motorola we can expect two things:

A super amoled display instead of IPS, like the moto x.

Still bad camera performance (have you seen how bad the camera of the moto x is?).

I'm not too excited if Motorola makes the new Nexus.

And since it's Motorola, expect them to flaunt their X8 processor architecture. And if that is true, puts it at a disadvantage to last year's Nexus 4.
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.