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My best guess is: maybe the BT dongle uses USB 1.1 protocols which are no longer present in Sonoma (Apple removed support in Ventura)? The hub supports USB 1.1, 2.x and 3.0 so it probably communicates with your computer with USB2 so USB 1.1 stuff (kbds, mice etc.) connected to it is seen by the MacOS.

Ps. I would think OCLP would reinstall the USB 1.1 drivers though?
Sounds OK. But normal, even ancient, mice and keyboards work direct, so...Not sure. Anyhow, between the dongle, the hub, and your good self, I got it working properly in the end!
 
With VLC and High Sierra on my 2011 MBP, I've enjoyed an episode from my favourite entry in the Star Trek franchise.

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This appears to be an official 1080p upscale by CBS/Paramount and when compared to the master used for the home video releases and TV airings, the colour-timing has been drastically revised - which means that whilst an HD re-issue remains elusive (and sadly unlikely), it does indicate that DS9 has received internal attention.

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What a brilliant actor Clarence Williams III was. :)

I'd imagine at some point, we've all had thoughts about acting like this towards irritating line-managers and supervisors.

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For those who might be interested in the technical specs...

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With VLC and High Sierra on my 2011 MBP, I've enjoyed an episode from my favourite entry in the Star Trek franchise.

vcFXi4C.png


This appears to be an official 1080p upscale by CBS/Paramount and when compared to the master used for the home video releases and TV airings, the colour-timing has been drastically revised - which means that whilst an HD re-issue remains elusive (and sadly unlikely), it does indicate that DS9 has received internal attention.

dvBXyAt.png


What a brilliant actor Clarence Williams III was. :)

I'd imagine at some point, we've all had thoughts about acting like this towards irritating line-managers and supervisors.

C0BesQu.png


For those who might be interested in the technical specs...

YBvn1zD.png

YJA8S2T.png
A VOY and DS9 1080 remaster like the TNG blu rays would be a dream come true. I have DVDs of both in a box somewhere but my Plex serves up a AI upscale done by fan and it's good but an official one would be glorious. I have been rewatching some select TNG eras as well. Picard S3 left me nostalgic. I really hope they green light Legacy someday. I know not everyone feels like me but post 2005 has been lacking IMO. Bringing the Discussion back to Macs, I have a long term goal of taking an old white book, most likely my 7,1 with 1TB Raid 0 running 10.6.8 and devoting it exclusively as a Star Trek machine with all shows and movies up to 2005 and the 1 good season from 2022 as a portable Trek Player.
 
A VOY and DS9 1080 remaster like the TNG blu rays would be a dream come true. I have DVDs of both in a box somewhere but my Plex serves up a AI upscale done by fan and it's good but an official one would be glorious. I have been rewatching some select TNG eras as well. Picard S3 left me nostalgic. I really hope they green light Legacy someday. I know not everyone feels like me but post 2005 has been lacking IMO. Bringing the Discussion back to Macs, I have a long term goal of taking an old white book, most likely my 7,1 with 1TB Raid 0 running 10.6.8 and devoting it exclusively as a Star Trek machine with all shows and movies up to 2005 and the 1 good season from 2022 as a portable Trek Player.
I’ve recently been on a “Star Trek the Motion Picture Blu-Ray Directors Edition” kick so I can understand the nostalgia for older Treks. This has almost become my favorite Star Trek movie of all time with the release of the “fixed” directors edition…I really love it! However I still love “Star Trek IV the Voyage Home” just a bit more. Too many awesome memories from seeing it twice in the theatre with friends back in High School.

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Installed Kubuntu both my 2013 Retina MBP and my 2009 Mac Mini. I'm surprised to see how well it runs on the Mini and how well KDE's scaling implementation works on the Retina MBP.

I like Gnome a lot more nowadays, KDE feels too Windows like. But the scaling in Gnome just didn't play well with my macbook. KDE just seems to make every display element bigger in its theming while Gnome seems to try 'real' scaling and non compatible apps are blurry.

It's just a bit of fun, Kubuntu runs way faster than any modern version of macOS on those Macs. If they were my main macs I'd have to think about it for sure ;)
I just installed Kubuntu on an old 2008 iMac for my daughter to learn how to use computers, thanks to your recommendation! Even after upgrading the machine with a SSD and 4 GB RAM, the 2008 was awfully slow on El Capitan. Kubuntu is great, and much faster. I don't like the look of Gnome either - XFCE and KDE are much nicer in my opinion.
 
Plopped my new 512gb Netac SSD into my 09 mbp which by itself is mundane but now I have a SSD I can stick in my new to me 4,1 macbook or maybe I will stick it in one of my PowerPC Powermacs (very Likely) :)

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I decided to stick the 120gb SSD and an extra 2gb ram into my MacBook 4,1 and am currently installing SnowLeopard on it. I will max the ram at some point but this is what I had on hand.
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I am happy to have this MB in my collection as it is portable and has FW400 where as my 09 MBP has FW800 only and my 08 aluminum MB lacks FW altogether.

After I get fresh SL on there next up is to give this thing a bath. It’s filthy. (This one & a iBookg4 I recently picked up that is equally grungy.)

On a side note, does anyone have a good solution for storing portables on their side? The more of them I get, the less I am inclined to stack them.
 
I went ahead, in February 2024, and committed to installing (and keeping) Mojave on one of my systems. No, Siliconfans, spare us the lecture.

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Unlike the last time I bothered with Mojave (on my A1502 whose retina display failed catastrophically), this time I needed to rely on dosdude1’s Mojave patcher.

Minus a couple of tiny hiccups, like having no audio initially (resolved after the patcher updates and security updates finished installing), everything, hardware system-wise, seems to be in working order. As with my very recent tweak of memory allotment for the Intel Graphics HD 3000 iGPU, it took a few kextcache rebuilds to get the system to finally accept and settle into the 1024MB alteration. One sign that the system is on its way there is the GPU memory use in iStat Menus will, temporarily, show 200+ per cent usage. After the kextcache rebuild, it settles down after reboot to about 12.5 per cent:

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For comparison: in High Sierra, initial usage demand was a negligible tick lower, at 10–12 per cent.

So now my venerable, late 2011 A1278 (so venerated because of the ironclad, perfectly tweaked build of 10.6.8 on one of its two SSDs and also the stability of the Sandy Bridge architecture) gets to try out things in end-of-line 32-bit application land.

Pluses

  • The system works. It seems no faster or slower than High Sierra.

Neither plus nor minus

  • Non-Metal rendering tweaks are a bit… odd to see. Namely, there’s a hairline border around windows and modals. This happens regardless whether Light or Dark mode is selected.

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    It’s not irksome to see, just a bit jarring and will take some adjustment.

    The ability to fine-tune what I want to see in Dark or Light mode is alleviated somewhat with utilities like TinkerTool 7, which enables one to exclude certain system applications — Finder, Terminal, etc. — from using Dark mode (Dock, unfortunately, isn’t one of them).

    For now, I find all-Dark mode on everything to be, at least at this time, too stark a shift. I do, however, prefer a dark menubar, so having that available is nice. Unlike my Metal-native, late 2013 iMac, the menubar in High Sierra on the A1261 and, prior to today’s upgrade, the A1278, doesn’t go into Dark mode after sunset, so having that on the A1278, even if it’s always Dark, day or night, is nice.

Minuses
  • This is a giant one: iTunes 10.6.3 will not launch. When I ran Mojave, briefly, in 2020, on the A1502, I used some kind of tweak I managed to find at the time to get it to run in Mojave.

    For the life of me, I cannot remember what that was or any other references locally on where I found that tweak. Initially, I thought this was my imagination — that Mojave never ran iTunes 10.6.3 for me, much less anyone else, except at least one other user on here named @Partron22 had success doing the same. I already tried the alteration of the Info.plist within iTunes to spoof a later major version, but to no avail. Interestingly enough, that linked testimonial by that long-gone user also ran iTunes 10.4.1 in Mojave successfully.

    This is noteworthy to me because iTunes 10.4.1 is the very last version of iTunes to launch and run on Build 10A96 of Snow Leopard on PowerPC.

    So if anyone might, from memory, recall what tweak needs to happen for Mojave to not reject the launching of iTunes 10.x, I would be delighted and, this time will bookmark it for posterity. :)

  • Finder sidebar shenanigans. As with every iteration of Mac OS X/macOS after Snow Leopard, Apple are always futzing with the sidebar. Although I always bear this in mind, especially as Apple let slide UI/UX/HID consistency over the last several years (and making it more hostile to use for eyes and minds who use colour within UI icons as a key signifier), I also avoiding giving their constant changes much thought with more recent builds. Why? Well, I have very low interest in those builds, and I choose not to use them.

    So to have network servers lose their own sub-section in Mojave is a disappointment. First example below is from one of my High Sierra boxes. I have it set up to show Devices (which, a Sierra/High Sierra annoyance, possibly one going back to Mavericks, idr, no longer shows network-mounted volumes under Devices or anywhere in the sidebar, not even after when one manually drags a mounted network volume there), followed by Shared (detected computers on the local network), and “Favorites” (oh, ’Murica).

    In Mojave, second example below, shared gets crowded in with Devices, now named Locations :rolleyes: . And when a local network device is reporting to the network as being online, Mojave won’t show it:

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    Lastly, the Tags section, the last to appear in the sidebar, can’t be shut off entirely in Mojave. Although in Finder prefs one can semi-deselect “Recent Tags”, it isn’t a true de-selection of Tags entirely. So yah, if there were ways to tweak the Finder sidebar to one’s satisfaction, that would be nice. As it is, I don’t know of one for Mojave or for any other build of macOS.



So that’s my initial take on finally, you know, going there and doing this upgrade, starting it last night and coming back to it today when I had some down time.

If the anxiety escalates after discovering a certain application simply won’t launch, I can always fall back to booting in Snow Leopard. I really was happy, relatively so, with High Sierra, as much as I could be with any post-SL build. I’ll see how well I adjust to Mojave some five-and-a-half years after the early adopters (you know, the ones who are blithely happy with wherever the Apple current sends them and their money). The iTunes thing, however, is going to make me cranky if I can’t find that workaround I found before.
 
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I went ahead, in February 2024, and committed to installing (and keeping) Mojave on one of my systems. No, Siliconfans, spare us the lecture.

View attachment 2346997

Unlike the last time I bothered with Mojave (on my A1502 whose retina display failed catastrophically), this time I needed to rely on dosdude1’s Mojave patcher.

Minus a couple of tiny hiccups, like having no audio initially (resolved after the patcher updates and security updates finished installing), everything, hardware system-wise, seems to be in working order. As with my very recent tweak of memory allotment for the Intel Graphics HD 3000 iGPU, it took a few kextcache rebuilds to get the system to finally accept and settle into the 1024MB alteration. One sign that the system is on its way there is the GPU memory use in iStat Menus will, temporarily, show 200+ per cent usage. After the kextcache rebuild, it settles down after reboot to about 12.5 per cent:

View attachment 2347003

For comparison: in High Sierra, initial usage demand was a negligible tick lower, at 10–12 per cent.

So now my venerable, late 2011 A1278 (so venerated because of the ironclad, perfectly tweaked build of 10.6.8 on one of its two SSDs and also the stability of the Sandy Bridge architecture) gets to try out things in end-of-line 32-bit application land.

Pluses

  • The system works. It seems no faster or slower than High Sierra.

Neither plus nor minus

  • Non-Metal rendering tweaks are a bit… odd to see. Namely, there’s a hairline border around windows and modals. This happens regardless whether Light or Dark mode is selected.

    View attachment 2347014View attachment 2347077

    It’s not irksome to see, just a bit jarring and will take some adjustment.

    The ability to fine-tune what I want to see in Dark or Light mode is alleviated somewhat with utilities like TinkerTool 7, which enables one to exclude certain system applications — Finder, Terminal, etc. — from using Dark mode (Dock, unfortunately, isn’t one of them).

    For now, I find all-Dark mode on everything to be, at least at this time, too stark a shift. I do, however, prefer a dark menubar, so having that available is nice. Unlike my Metal-native, late 2013 iMac, the menubar in High Sierra on the A1261 and, prior to today’s upgrade, the A1278, doesn’t go into Dark mode after sunset, so having that on the A1278, even if it’s always Dark, day or night, is nice.

Minuses
  • This is a giant one: iTunes 10.6.3 will not launch. When I ran Mojave, briefly, in 2020, on the A1502, I used some kind of tweak I managed to find at the time to get it to run in Mojave.

    For the life of me, I cannot remember what that was or any other references locally on where I found that tweak. Initially, I thought this was my imagination — that Mojave never ran iTunes 10.6.3 for me, much less anyone else, except at least one other user on here named @Partron22 had success doing the same. I already tried the alteration of the Info.plist within iTunes to spoof a later major version, but to no avail. Interestingly enough, that linked testimonial by that long-gone user also ran iTunes 10.4.1 in Mojave successfully.

    This is noteworthy to me because iTunes 10.4.1 is the very last version of iTunes to launch and run on Build 10A96 of Snow Leopard on PowerPC.

    So if anyone might, from memory, recall what tweak needs to happen for Mojave to not reject the launching of iTunes 10.x, I would be delighted and, this time will bookmark it for posterity. :)

  • Finder sidebar shenanigans. As with every iteration of Mac OS X/macOS after Snow Leopard, Apple are always futzing with the sidebar. Although I always bear this in mind, especially as Apple let slide UI/UX/HID consistency over the last several years (and making it more hostile to use for eyes and minds who use colour within UI icons as a key signifier), I also avoiding giving their constant changes much thought with more recent builds. Why? Well, I have very low interest in those builds, and I choose not to use them.

    So to have network servers lose their own sub-section in Mojave is a disappointment. First example below is from one of my High Sierra boxes. I have it set up to show Devices (which, a Sierra/High Sierra annoyance, possibly one going back to Mavericks, idr, no longer shows network-mounted volumes under Devices or anywhere in the sidebar, not even after when one manually drags a mounted network volume there), followed by Shared (detected computers on the local network), and “Favorites” (oh, ’Murica).

    In Mojave, second example below, shared gets crowded in with Devices, now named Locations :rolleyes: . And when a local network device is reporting to the network as being online, Mojave won’t show it:

    View attachment 2347010View attachment 2347013

    Lastly, the Tags section, the last to appear in the sidebar, can’t be shut off entirely in Mojave. Although in Finder prefs one can semi-deselect “Recent Tags”, it isn’t a true de-selection of Tags entirely. So yah, if there were ways to tweak the Finder sidebar to one’s satisfaction, that would be nice. As it is, I don’t know of one for Mojave or for any other build of macOS.



So that’s my initial take on finally, you know, going there and doing this upgrade, starting it last night and coming back to it today when I had some down time.

If the anxiety escalates after discovering a certain application simply won’t launch, I can always fall back to booting in Snow Leopard. I really was happy, relatively so, with High Sierra, as much as I could be with any post-SL build. I’ll see how well I adjust to Mojave some five-and-a-half years after the early adopters (you know, the ones who are blithely happy with wherever the Apple current sends them and their money). The iTunes thing, however, is going to make me cranky if I can’t find that workaround I found before.
I am at a point in my Mac stable that I can keep various versions on various machines for various reasons. I have a 2015 13" i5/8/2TB running Mojave for iTunes and 32 bits and it's glorious for that purpose.
 
I am at a point in my Mac stable that I can keep various versions on various machines for various reasons. I have a 2015 13" i5/8/2TB running Mojave for iTunes and 32 bits and it's glorious for that purpose.

On that rMBP, which version of iTunes are you running with Mojave?

I’m sort of in a similar situation, except that I came to really appreciate the relative lightness and robustness of having the 13-inch A1278 on my lap whenever I’m doing metadata work on the library.

I could, just as well, do all of it in High Sierra on the A1261, except I need to find a better battery solution for it (as none of the aftermarket replacements I’ve bought for it have… freed it up from needing to depend on a MagSafe adapter being so close by).
 
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A VOY and DS9 1080 remaster like the TNG blu rays would be a dream come true. I have DVDs of both in a box somewhere but my Plex serves up a AI upscale done by fan and it's good but an official one would be glorious.

Here's some more shots from a couple of episodes. Generated by trusty VLC. :)

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If I manage to secure the whole lot, I'm tempted to find an avenue to make them available to fans. Likewise if an opportunity arises with Voyager and official upscales.

I have been rewatching some select TNG eras as well. Picard S3 left me nostalgic.

Ditto: there's so much potential there for more.

I really hope they green light Legacy someday. I know not everyone feels like me but post 2005 has been lacking IMO.

There's more people who share your sentiments than you realise. Within this very thread, in fact. ;)

Bringing the Discussion back to Macs, I have a long term goal of taking an old white book, most likely my 7,1 with 1TB Raid 0 running 10.6.8 and devoting it exclusively as a Star Trek machine with all shows and movies up to 2005 and the 1 good season from 2022 as a portable Trek Player.

That sounds awesome. Please share that with us if/when you get around to it!

I decided to stick the 120gb SSD and an extra 2gb ram into my MacBook 4,1 and am currently installing SnowLeopard on it. I will max the ram at some point but this is what I had on hand.
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I know this is a Mac forum but I can't help but comment on your C64 in the left-hand corner. :D Does it still work and where did you get the leather dust-cover from? Is that the 1541 etc underneath?

I went ahead, in February 2024, and committed to installing (and keeping) Mojave on one of my systems. No, Siliconfans, spare us the lecture.

View attachment 2346997

What lectures could they give us in a sub-forum dedicated to early Macs? Actually, that happened recently...

Unlike the last time I bothered with Mojave (on my A1502 whose retina display failed catastrophically), this time I needed to rely on dosdude1’s Mojave patcher.

That's what I used for installing it on my 2010 MBA. (So too with the successor.)

Pluses

  • The system works. It seems no faster or slower than High Sierra.

This has also been my experience - and on hardware that's feeble in comparison to yours. :D

I am at a point in my Mac stable that I can keep various versions on various machines for various reasons.

Same here. From single, to dual, to triple-booting configs involving Snow Leopard, Mavericks, El Capitan, High Sierra, Mojave, Catalina and Ventura. Of that selection, Snow Leopard is the most prolific - and that's testament to how beloved and usable it continues to be. :)
 
I know this is a Mac forum but I can't help but comment on your C64 in the left-hand corner. :D Does it still work and where did you get the leather dust-cover from? Is that the 1541 etc underneath?
That’s my dad’s C64 that he picked up in the mid 80s. Story goes my mom wanted a Macintosh but that was out of the family budget so we got the c64 and served as the family computer until the early 90s when we built our first 386/486 AT boxes. Yes that is a 1541 underneath. The matching dot matrix printer is in my closet, my software collection is on the opposite side of the room and the monitor is in my garage getting a very slow recap lol. The dust covers came with the unit. My dad is very meticulous and kept all that stuff short of the original boxes. I have it now as part of my retro pc collection & I love firing it up to run old productivity suites or games (Legacy of the Ancients, Zork, Pac-Man & others). Fastest boot up ever! :)
 
That’s my dad’s C64 that he picked up in the mid 80s. Story goes my mom wanted a Macintosh but that was out of the family budget so we got the c64 and served as the family computer until the early 90s when we built our first 386/486 AT boxes. Yes that is a 1541 underneath. The matching dot matrix printer is in my closet, my software collection is on the opposite side of the room and the monitor is in my garage getting a very slow recap lol. The dust covers came with the unit. My dad is very meticulous and kept all that stuff short of the original boxes. I have it now as part of my retro pc collection & I love firing it up to run old productivity suites or games (Legacy of the Ancients, Zork, Pac-Man & others). Fastest boot up ever! :)

Thanks for replying and for sharing that story. I also had a C64 in the 80s and a few years back, I picked up a replacement and carried out some repair work on it. There's a post on the subject here if you're interested. New games continue to be released on the C64 and yes, none of our modern computers can match the instant boot-up times that are enjoyed by 80s/90s machines that have their kernels in a ROM. :D
 
Thanks for replying and for sharing that story. I also had a C64 in the 80s and a few years back, I picked up a replacement and carried out some repair work on it. There's a post on the subject here if you're interested. New games continue to be released on the C64 and yes, none of our modern computers can match the instant boot-up times that are enjoyed by 80s/90s machines that have their kernels in a ROM. :D

Such read-only memory communications can, well, you know, make for a real ROM-COM…

I’m going to leave the chat now.
 
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Thanks for replying and for sharing that story. I also had a C64 in the 80s and a few years back, I picked up a replacement and carried out some repair work on it. There's a post on the subject here if you're interested. New games continue to be released on the C64 and yes, none of our modern computers can match the instant boot-up times that are enjoyed by 80s/90s machines that have their kernels in a ROM. :D
Oh my How could I forget Math Blaster. As a youngster y/o(5) I had some ugly brain trauma that damaged ... almost erased my learning function - specifically learning pertaining to mathematics and other logic driven brain processes were difficult to learn. I effectively had to relearn, how to learn those type of conepts (weird I know but our brains are so incredibly complex and resilient as I am proof of that). Anyways, As part of my therapy as a child, my mom and dad got me mathblaster for the C64 because they saw that I was attracted to computers. Just looked over my software collection and that memory jumped out at me, so I thought Id share how computing even back then helped me & my brain relearn and develop new pathways for learning in order to become a functional and productive adult - TMI maybe but whatever :D

Probably why I love the written word as even though I forgot how to talk, that part seemed to not be affected. Brains are amazing organs :)
 
Yeah! Commodore for the win! ;)

Here is mine on my desk, on the operating table, example of tinkering needed (module switches swapped):
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And its brother the Amiga 600:
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I have loads of upgrades and gear for both. At some point I will activate with them again and do some of the stuff that is waiting. Like an accelerator for the Amiga etc.

I sold my all C64 and Amiga stuff in early 90's but reacquired them again when I saw all the new cool stuff available for them nowadays. And I found all my present knowledge on these with my iMac 27" 2009 & 2011. ;)

Ps. but recently I've been recording C-cassettes with my iMac (Spotify) -> USB -> external DAC -> amplifier -> cassette deck. Quite satisfying to make new mixtapes again. :cool:
 
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What lectures could they give us in a sub-forum dedicated to early Macs? Actually, that happened recently...

Yah, I need not a reminder: standing up to their guff — hardly lectureworthy, more on par with shartposting — landed me in suspension for a few days. Trolls are tiresome.



Coming back to topic on the migration to Mojave:

I installed Catalina on a VM last night, using only a 4GB RAM allocation. It was a slow install, but it worked.

I was amused to learn I was able to boot into its recovery partition, so to disable SIP, by writing an nvram command before reboot (and deleting it afterwards).

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This was only a test to compare performance of Signal within the Catalina VM against the same within antiX. Notably, unlike the 1GB RAM set for antiX, I set this up with 4GB. To little surprise, Signal runs worse in the Catalina VM. My Signal test is making an audio note to self. Signal has choppy audio in both, but it’s less severe in antiX. I might change the RAM allocation for antiX and re-test it again when I have some time to do so.


Separately, I tried the macports migration for the new Mojave install. I managed to get to step 3e successfully before I ran into troubles. So I’m rebuilding everything from scratch, which isnt annoying, but it will take a couple of days to get everything reasonably close to everything I had installed previously.
 
Yah, I need not a reminder: standing up to their guff — hardly lectureworthy, more on par with shartposting — landed me in suspension for a few days. Trolls are tiresome.
Yep happened to me too. Got myself in trouble for telling some folks where to get stuffed lol. I also use the ignore feature nowadays. It's less work. I'm selective of which forums I participate in too.
 
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May the Ignore button be with you.

Yah. My ignore button is broken in, but not worn out. :)

Does the lack of graphics acceleration play any role?

It might, but it’s also sort of a moot point: this test was to assess which VM solution, in Mojave, would permit continued use of Signal desktop without sacrificing the means to launch 32-bit applications. On this merit, antiX gets closer to delivering on that solution, and does so with less RAM allocated to the guest OS’s system.

Of course, the iTunes 10.6.3-Mojave thing is going to continue to bother me, which means I’m likely to return to it from different angles to find a way to get it to launch.
 
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Yah, I need not a reminder: standing up to their guff — hardly lectureworthy, more on par with shartposting — landed me in suspension for a few days. Trolls are tiresome.

Yep happened to me too. Got myself in trouble for telling some folks where to get stuffed lol. I also use the ignore feature nowadays. It's less work.

It's annoying how they're able to game the system and ensure that the antagonised are reprimanded but not the antagonisers. Ironically, the mods once warned me that notifying people that I'm going to ignore them can constitute trolling. Give me strength.

I'm selective of which forums I participate in too.

YouTube's comment section is a haven for seasoned trolls and is largely best avoided.

May the Ignore button be with you.

Indeed.

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It's annoying how they're able to game the system and ensure that the antagonised are reprimanded but not the antagonisers. Ironically, the mods once warned me that notifying people that I'm going to ignore them can constitute trolling. Give me strength.

Over the last several years, there have been some very adept, uh, “teachers” on how to use the abuse tactic called DARVO. The concept is now familiar to people who, otherwise, would never think to engage in that kind of antisocial conduct. But that bridge was crossed and burnt down some time ago.

We, as humanity, are impoverished by this promotion and popularization of that tactic.
 
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