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Since fall ends 10 days (and during the holiday session so very few work days) before the end of the year is there much if any difference?:confused:

Last time I checked fall/autumn finishes in December so they have plenty of time to release the new Mac Pro still
 
Last time I checked fall/autumn finishes in December so they have plenty of time to release the new Mac Pro still

Yes, the winter solstice is Sat Dec 21st 17:11 UTC which is 10 days before the end of the year.;) Also there will only be 4 business days left until the end of the year.
 
Yes, the winter solstice is Sat Dec 21st 17:11 UTC which is 10 days before the end of the year.;) Also there will only be 4 business days left until the end of the year.
Surely the Winter Solstice marks the shortest day so if anything is mid winter not the start (though in Britain it is only about a third of the way through the winter).
If each season has an equal number of months then (in the northern hemisphere) autumn should be Sep,Oct,Nov.

Looking on Wikipedia it seems that everyone has a different definition depending on whether the Autumn equinox is the official middle or if the Earth's thermal lag should be taken into account!:rolleyes:
 
Surely the Winter Solstice marks the shortest day so if anything is mid winter not the start (though in Britain it is only about a third of the way through the winter).
If each season has an equal number of months then (in the northern hemisphere) autumn should be Sep,Oct,Nov....

Not sure how things work in Britain but in the US it is (dates are approximate and the exact time can change the date +/- a coupe of days).

Summer: Jun 21st to Sep 21st
Fall (Autumn): Sep 21st to Dec 21st (Winter Solstice and shortest day of the year
Winter: Dec 21st to Mar 21st
Spring: Mar 21st to Jun21st (Summer Solstice and longest day of the year)
 
Also the $1999 iMac Has a built in 27" display so the gap would be actually quite a bit more than $1k when some who are eyeing the Apple display or another monitor tack that on to the total cost.

The $1999 iMac has slower CPU , GPU , and storage (HDD). Having a huge price gap becauses making different trade-off weightings (e.g., need a monitor and like Apple's alot) then that over $1K gap doesn't matter so much.

It is when try to bring the Mac Pro and the iMac into close parity (putting aside Monitor. Some folks have them already (or higher requirements ) and some folks don't. ) on CPU , GPU (and maybe also storage ) then a $1K gap becomes is just an opportunity for competitors; not for Apple.

I expect the base MacPro to be faster than the highest end iMac, maybe using a 6 cores CPU.

I expect it higher as system ( perhaps near parity on CPU but better memory and storage bandwidth). Myopically focusing on CPUs when it is system pricing that is in the balance is skewed. To be cost effective to hit close to iMac prices the Mac Pro needs to leverage a 4 core Intel offering at this point. Going to 6 cores skews the costs.

The Mac Pro doesn't "have to" beat the iMac BTO options on single core drag racing. If single core drag racing is the primary value point what need with system with core count numbers boasted as high as the Mac Pro ( and yes counting all the cores x86 and GPGPU ones. ).



. With the expandibility gone, raw power is the only reason to go for a new MacPro. A slow MacPro would not make much sense.

A four core E5 1620 Mac Pro wouldn't be slow. It probably won't win at single threaded, Turbo mode computations but how is that a "raw power" demonstration?

The internal expandability is going but the expansion options are far more flexible and diverse with a 6 ( versus 2 ) Thunderbolt port Mac Pro. There is still a large and substantive expandability gap between the iMac and the Mac Pro. Dumping Apple and going elsewhere can go back to older box-with-slot model but that has little to do with Apple offerings at this point.




I would therefore not be surprised if it was priced above the iMac. One thing to note is that Apple chose an E5 26xx v2 CPU for its prototype MacPro,

That wasn't the prototype Mac Pro that was the bragging rights Mac Pro they talked up at WWDC. Maximum everything, money is no object, "up to" all the money in your pocket Mac Pro.

We will see whether the base models will switch to 16xx CPUs or stick to the more expensive 26xx line.

Apple would have to be on drugs not to use the 16xx CPUs. The 26xx line is designed and price optimized for dual CPU package systems. The Mac Pro is a single CPU package system. That 12 core "ultra max" CPU package by itself probably costs more than an entire entry Mac Pro system. E5 2697 v2 is $2618 ( http://ark.intel.com/products/75283/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-2697-v2-30M-Cache-2_70-GHz ) before Apple slaps their 30-35% mark-up on it. Customer cost is likely in $3,400 just for the CPU.
 
Did the E5 1680 v2 (and 1607) come out of nowhere?

Any chance you think we we'll see a 1690, 1695 or 1697? - to fill apple's 10 and 12 core single CPU design.

The 1680 is very nice, I'm hoping we see a 2680 or 2690 equivalent option one way or another.

I agree that the 1680 is just a 2680 with 2 cores turned off - and therefore a slightly better turbo ceiling.
 
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I'm still looking for a date or timeframe. Nobody on here has posted anything definite. Does anybody actually know anything outside of Apple?
 
I'm still looking for a date or timeframe. Nobody on here has posted anything definite. Does anybody actually know anything outside of Apple?

That's assuming Apple knows exactly when they'll be releasing the nMac Pro. TB2 seems to be the hold up so maybe the ball is in Intel's court right now.
 
That's assuming Apple knows exactly when they'll be releasing the nMac Pro. TB2 seems to be the hold up so maybe the ball is in Intel's court right now.

E5 v2 systems major workstation vendors are shipping in fixed configurations. So the E5 v2 supply isn't all that up to speed either. Throw in perhaps gated on OS X 10.9 release at this point and there are couple of factors that don't have fixed points in time over the short term. Also a new factory Apple's contractor is lighting up too.

Apple probably has a window targeted, but the Mac Pro also doesn't require hordes of Chinese subcontractors so the leak points are far fewer and far more easily tracked by Apple.

If these Geekbench scores are controlled leaks, then there is a good chance it isn't coming in the short term. It is just "waiting room" reading material to help kill the time.
 
That's assuming Apple knows exactly when they'll be releasing the nMac Pro. TB2 seems to be the hold up so maybe the ball is in Intel's court right now.
Opening and starting a new factory from scratch in a new manufacturing country with a new supply chain on a new product and implementing systems that are under development by other companies and you say Apple may not can give an exact release date.:eek: Why is this?:D
 
I'm still looking for a date or timeframe. Nobody on here has posted anything definite. Does anybody actually know anything outside of Apple?

Do you think we all know but are just not telling you?
 
I've seen from a few somewhat reliable guesses that there will be a venue to demonstrated Maverick, and the new MP on Oct. 10th. Just seems so soon to the previous one, plus invites would have to go out in just a few days.
 
I'm still looking for a date or timeframe. Nobody on here has posted anything definite. Does anybody actually know anything outside of Apple?
You've been a MacRumors member for seven years now. You should know the answer to "Does anybody actually know anything outside of Apple?" :eek:

My guess is that the supply chain for the new Mac Pro isn't nearly as "leaky" (in terms of rumors) as the supply chain for iPhones/iPads has proven to be.
 
Or you could just start saving now regardless of what we know.

It's a matter of determining whether I have to have roughly $2500 saved, $3500, or $4500 -- for the decently spec'd configuration I want.

With no idea on price or date at this point, I don't know how ro get myself prepared in time to afford one (the configuration I want) when they are released.

If Apple gave the price points, and the release date, I could start gauging my business and eBay sales to save up so I am prepared financially when the release date comes.

That is the only reason....but I feel that others also feel left in the dark, by Apple teasing us and showing us the machine...and then just saying "Coming later this year..."
 
It's a matter of determining whether I have to have roughly $2500 saved, $3500, or $4500 -- for the decently spec'd configuration I want.

With no idea on price or date at this point, I don't know how ro get myself prepared in time to afford one (the configuration I want) when they are released.

If Apple gave the price points, and the release date, I could start gauging my business and eBay sales to save up so I am prepared financially when the release date comes.

That is the only reason....but I feel that others also feel left in the dark, by Apple teasing us and showing us the machine...and then just saying "Coming later this year..."

Well considering it's likely only 1-2 months away can you not plan for that? This isn't exactly some impulse buy.
 
And, when it comes it comes. For me, it's a Ho-Hum. Really the first Apple product, in a long time, that I have not anticipated.

Lou
 
And, when it comes it comes. For me, it's a Ho-Hum. Really the first Apple product, in a long time, that I have not anticipated.

Lou

you said that already a few times in a few threads and two times here
we don't really care if you don't care
 
you said that already a few times in a few threads and two times here
we don't really care if you don't care

And you can speak for everyone huh:confused: what's your definition of "a few"? For the record, I said it twice, but hey, now I've said it again. And I really don't give a darn what YOU think or care about.

And, for the life me, I don't understand your need to post about this:confused: Unless your just trying to increase your post count, or maybe I said something in the past to offend you:confused:

Lou
 
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With the exception of the Apple III and the Apple Pippin (remember when they tried a gaming console?), no releases ever surpassed November 30. In fact, last year was the first time they ever released anything in the third week of November and that was the iPad mini.

New Mac Pro will be released Third week of October. I'll put money on it. :p
 
I'd be really surprised if they dropped the new Mac Pro like the iMac a few weeks ago i.e. quietly.

I think it will be part of a media event with a "one more thing" of new 4K TB displays and the release of the Mac Pro.

To me at least, they dropped so many hints about it's capability to power 4K displays and edit 4K video, and consequently it's been sooooo long since the ACDs were updated, it just seems to make sense that they're going to release one with the MP.

Regarding the exact date when it will drop...who knows - but to quote Tim Cook whenever it is, I'm sure we'll be, "surprised and delighted."
 
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