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What is there's no new MacPro announced on 27th October ?
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Even if there is a new one announced I don't think this forum is going to like it much. It'll still be the tube and it'll still be AMD
What's going on with everybody wanting to move on? There hasn't been a single rumor that a new MP will be announced this Thursday! Where do the expectations come from??
As for the next model being less upgradable, i think that's nonsense. It'll be the exact same form factor but with TB3 in USB C form. It'll most likely allow for external GPUs so you guys can stop complaining about those AMD cards.
People on here talking about ProRes are right, it's one of our biggest advantages. A monster PC is fine for 3D or heavy compositing when dealing with image sequences, but as far as editing or motion design goes, the Mac Pro is king of you're not on avid. Let alone because of thunderbolt! The ability to attach several crazy fast TB raids is just so sweet!
As for the next model being less upgradable, i think that's nonsense. It'll be the exact same form factor but with TB3 in USB C form. It'll most likely allow for external GPUs so you guys can stop complaining about those AMD cards.
People on here talking about ProRes are right, it's one of our biggest advantages. A monster PC is fine for 3D or heavy compositing when dealing with image sequences, but as far as editing or motion design goes, the Mac Pro is king of you're not on avid. Let alone because of thunderbolt! The ability to attach several crazy fast TB raids is just so sweet!
Read posts #43 and #45.
well, thats not a valid reason. You can read and write ProRes on Windows, just do a bit of googling.
ANd the other reason is just being afraid of the unknown.
You can for free get programs that convert to pro-res as an external program. But if you want to go convenient, you can spend a bit of money and get a apple approved codec and get native support for rendering to Pro Res.
Also over time probably Adobe will get Prores natively as well, into Adobe programs without any Quicktime plugin as well - thats their plan.
Personally though I hope Pro-res will DIE a painful death and all other codecs made by Apple and apple loose all their codec dependent users,... not because they are not good, but because of the complete disrespectful attitude from apple. Ditching Quicktime on Windows, not letting people access ProRes without their consent and pay money to Apple and at the same time neglecting their own hardware. In my eyes, Apple treats their professional customer exactly the same way as Steve jobs bashed Adobe for some years back when it came to how they treat Flash. Steve Jobs critized it for being too controlled by one company and too limited support and old and outdated and he made it his personal vendetta to kill of Flash...What is quicktime on Windows now? its exactly the same!, outdated, no support and controlled by one company with a lot of limitations.
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That was my thoughts too - do it when it suits me or wait for Apple to decide for me. I sold my rMBP and nMP, got an XPS 15 and I'm just migrating over to an x99-based PC. Apple's attitude of silence and no product roadmaps doesn't exactly fill me with confidence. I'll also save a ton of cash running on PC hardware, which also happens to be much quicker.
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Many are hoping that Apple does an update as it's been 3 years now since the nMP was last updated, or they are running of even older macs that are now reaching end of life. If you are going to invest a significant amount of money and time in a work platform then you'd want to know there is a future in it. This is why many are jumping ship - Windows is a safer bet these days than Mac for work.
Because OS X and Prores aren't worth the endless delays and secrecy from Apple. There are other options for Prores encoding on Windows, and Windows 10 is a decent OS. Many of us also like to update our hardware every other year, not replace the machine. We also like to know that our hardware supplier is committed to providing regular updates. Show me another vendor that treats Pro customers the way Apple does and is still in business.
If we are able to run e-GPU's on the new machine, how much bandwidth are we really getting? One CPU only has so many PCI lanes to work with. I know quite a few local freelance editors who are running PC's, having switched from a 5,1 Mac because they needed the PCI slots for SAS raids and other external devices (tape backup). The current nMP is really a glorified FCP accessory, not a real workstation like the older 5,1.
Basically, if I'm going to drop $6,000 or more on a workstation, you can bet your A$$ I will expect to get at least 4-5 years out of it, and I want to be able to keep it relevant with hardware upgrades. The current Mac Pro is a complete lock-in device with no future. I don't expect anything different from Apple at this point.
This is my main reason as well.... You want a pro machine you pay $6.000+ to last a few years, preferably with minor hardware upgrades over time. When the machine is currently outdated and you in addition cannot do anything yourself to upgrade parts of it - thats a REALLY BAD deal.
The need for ProRes will diminish if Apple does not upgrade the Mac Pro as the industry will force the change simply because it has to. Apple genuinely doesn't seem interested in the 'pro' market any longer and if there's a risk to not being able to produce a product the industry will shift and very quickly. I'm no expert in film post production, I've just got over 25 years IT experience and have seen plenty of things like this before. Apple is no different from any other supplier.
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This why I sold mine. Couldn't see a future in the product line, and while I didn't need to upgrade my Mac Pro for perhaps another couple of years I was in desperate need of a laptop that could support 32GB RAM. Apple don't make this type of laptop so I had to buy a PC. didn't see the point in hanging onto a Mac while it still had value and I'd already moved over to PC for my laptop, so I sold it and got a custom build X-99 PC for the money I got back from the nMP. It's 6-core with 128GB RAM, loads of PCI-e slots, m.2, u.2, USB 3.1, TB 3, and that's the starting point. I can take it up to 22 cores if I needed to and dump a load of storage in there.
2 weeks ago I bought a Apple refurbished Hex core with 256gb HDD and D500's for $2975. Thats saving over $1300 over buying new @ Apple.
Honestly Im, not bothered if they upgrade it this or next year, a 2016/17 model with barely affect my audio work except inconvenience me with USB-C. Not that i don't like shiny new things.
Honestly Im, not bothered if they upgrade it this or next year, a 2016/17 model with barely affect my audio work except inconvenience me with USB-C. Not that i don't like shiny new things.
It's funny, I used to work for an Avid shop, and they switched to FCP right after the Premiere Pro crossover promotion Apple offered back in 2003 or 2004. We bought a bunch of Macs and became a Mac based shop. That lasted right up till they released the nMP and FCPX. Then it was back to PC and Premiere and the driving factor was lack of PCI-e slots and no Nvidia. FCPX was a disaster, and couldn't really replace FCP at the time, and Premiere could.
After what they did to FCP and the nMP, I'd say that the industry is trying to move on. I know I am.
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It has been, but as you see in all these threads, plenty of people are hanging on hoping to stay with Apple. It feels like the balance is just about to surge fully one way or the other. It all depends on Apple informing us about the nMP.
You can build one yourself and save thousands, or simply go with HP/Dell/Asus and and just compare the specs. They all, including apple use the same components, so simply compare number of processors, number of cores, frequency of cores, ram, GPU... Almost all professional software exists on all platforms, so adjustment period will be compensated with money saved in the long run, plus with all the time saved rendering. If you are curious of what you can get for $10K on mac side vs going custom build, see
PS: Someone mentioned no ProRes on Windows... not true. For example: http://www.miraizon.com/products/codecsoverview.html
PS2: someone said no thunderbolt on PC.. just google it.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815548001
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Apple still has a big say from ease of use point of view but in terms of performance users are struggling obviously. There was a ray of light a few years ago but that's gone. The APIs, drivers, file manager and network stack are old or falling apart on macOS.
Thanks for your reply NostromoUK.... would you really do something so drastic...? I will wait about 1 more year... making this current computer the longest I have ever had... I would have normally upgraded every 3-4 years... to keep up with new technology advancements and just to feel like I was still moving forward. Now I feel very stagnant and that I'm missing out on new technology advancements that would be in a newly upgraded MacPro. I worry that macOS Sierra will be the last OS update my machine will be compatible with.... I'm already missing out on the Continuity features which I would see being very helpful for my business.
For me, I know nothing else but Apple Mac, so to change would just not happen... I have all the iPads, iPhone, iTunes, AppleTVs... so I'm kinda locked in... along with the rest of my family members.... but I do worry that even now... as the 27th event gets closer... all talk about a new MacPro are starting to dwindle and disappear.... leaving me hoping for a little miracle or a One More Thing event...
Thanks again for your input.... out of pure curiosity... why would you go HP... why not DELL.... and what sort of comparison machine would you go for...?
Anthony
Actually, this is not entirely true, - you don't have to miss out on the newer features, if you are wiling to upgrade.
Below, you will find the link to the upgraded Bluetooth model that will give you exactly that.
I hope this will lighten up your day.
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The more I've been thinking about it, the more I think that even if a new Mac Pro isn't coming for a few months (which is certainly the likelihood I'd bet on), it's a far better idea to announce it anyway. They can't crater their Mac Pro sales much more than they already have through a lack of updates, and letting people know one way or another it's still alive is more important than the product itself at this point.
There are always enough PCIe lanes.
Bandwidth might be throttled, but that's not a killer. Would you rather have 2 T-Bolt channels - or 6 T-Bolt channels that you can run 2 at 100% bandwidth simultaneously, 4 at 50% bandwidth, and all 6 at 33%?
It's not a realistic scenario to have every device running at its theoretical peak bandwidth simultaneously - only artificial benchmarks come close.
I agree, I will never buy a Mac Pro again (unless they bring back PCIe slots... so yeah, never gonna happen) but it's weird that after all these years, people think October of 2016 is the year everyone jumps ship. Nope, it's going to be a slowly sinking ship just like always. Another question is: With Apple literally charging 2013 prices for 2013 hardware which was not even top of the line back then, you have to wonder why someone with an editing lab would invest an absurd amount of money to upgrade to the new new Mac Pro? Well in 3 years it's going to be back to same old antics. Just move to PC and keep the old trash cans until ProRes for PC comes out.
I just went on Apple's online store and priced out some models (it used to be a lot more fun). They're still charging $1000 to go from the D500 to the D700--which is a glorified Radeon 280x only UNDERCLOCKED which you can get for $160 off NewEgg.
Is ProRes the killer app that's keeping the trash can alive? I kind of doubt it.
Thunderbolt is also still a niche technology as well. Though if Apple were smart, they'd make their software compatible with TB 3 breakout boxes for GPUs... or maybe that's dumb--how could they sell $300 worth of GPUs for > $1000 if they let people upgrade?
The problems many people here are describing are mostly concering folks who obviously didnt buy the trashcan back in early 2014 when it became available. Because in all seriousness, is there anyone on here who owns the thing in a decent config who runs into any situations where it feels outdated?
You can't game, so the GPUs don't matter to you anyways in that regard.
The whole creative suite never did any reasonable push towards proper GPU acceleration with open CL so far in THREE YEARS.
Nuke just slowly starts to support more and more dual GPU nodes, wich is great, and they run like butter on the machine. (Kronos retiming being one of them that profits really a lot from the GPUs).
In Premiere and FCPX I could edit 4k with no problems whatsoever from my Lacie Little Big disk TB2, but I have yet to come across one job that actually required 4k in the real every day bread and butter world as an Editor in advertisement.
I'm repeating myself, but has there been any significant Single Core CPU upgrades in the last three years? Cause that'd be the only thing where I could imagine more performance would be nice. Every other task I throw at it it just laughs about. I have zero doubts I'll be happily using it still in two years, giving me 5 years with it. I used to be that guy who upgraded his computer every two years, but not anymore with the current mac pro.
Of course If I bought this today I'd be pissed about the prize. But back then it was ok and you got a lot of power that is still totally up to any task.
If you do serious 3d work you'll use a PC anyways and then you'll have your dual 12 core CPU, 128 GB ram, crazy monster GPU workstations, which is totaly cool. But for editors and freelance video allrounders, DITs or even high end color graders, the mac pro is an awesome machine!
You can't game, so the GPUs don't matter to you anyways in that regard.
The whole creative suite never did any reasonable push towards proper GPU acceleration with open CL so far in THREE YEARS.
Nuke just slowly starts to support more and more dual GPU nodes, wich is great, and they run like butter on the machine. (Kronos retiming being one of them that profits really a lot from the GPUs).
In Premiere and FCPX I could edit 4k with no problems whatsoever from my Lacie Little Big disk TB2, but I have yet to come across one job that actually required 4k in the real every day bread and butter world as an Editor in advertisement.
I'm repeating myself, but has there been any significant Single Core CPU upgrades in the last three years? Cause that'd be the only thing where I could imagine more performance would be nice. Every other task I throw at it it just laughs about. I have zero doubts I'll be happily using it still in two years, giving me 5 years with it. I used to be that guy who upgraded his computer every two years, but not anymore with the current mac pro.
Of course If I bought this today I'd be pissed about the prize. But back then it was ok and you got a lot of power that is still totally up to any task.
If you do serious 3d work you'll use a PC anyways and then you'll have your dual 12 core CPU, 128 GB ram, crazy monster GPU workstations, which is totaly cool. But for editors and freelance video allrounders, DITs or even high end color graders, the mac pro is an awesome machine!
Avid's DnxHD is as good as prores and it'a free for PC and Mac. The real treasure of Apple is QuickTime, it always has been. Every video/audio goes through it, and it's dead simple. That's it.
There's no sense in saying Prores is the main finishing codec, this is BS. HBO and a lot of TVs prefer QuickTime for simplicity and sometimes it's not Prores, other codecs as well.
There's no sense in saying Prores is the main finishing codec, this is BS. HBO and a lot of TVs prefer QuickTime for simplicity and sometimes it's not Prores, other codecs as well.
If the Mac Pro isn't updated next week, you can bet that it will be by the first quarter of next year. The chips that the Mac Pro needs aren't ready yet, but will be by next year. Specifically, Kaby Lake Xeon chips that run USB-C natively.
[doublepost=1477442618][/doublepost]MacWorld UK has a source that says that the update will occur in Nov.
http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/mac/...-pro-specs-new-features-how-to-watch-3536364/
[doublepost=1477442618][/doublepost]MacWorld UK has a source that says that the update will occur in Nov.
http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/mac/...-pro-specs-new-features-how-to-watch-3536364/
Does "by the first quarter of next year" mean 31 December 2016?
Chips to upgrade the MP6,1 have been available for almost two years - yet Apple has done nothing. (Hell, 10GbE chips were available when the MP6,1 launched - but Apple went with old networking technology.)
In case you haven't watched the other workstation vendors, they're on a continual upgrade cycle. Whenever a new CPU or IO connection or network adaptor or RAM upgrade happens - it shows up within weeks of real availability.
Linux/Windows users expect the instant updates. Apple people not so much (hence the derogative "sheeple").
Some Apple users sit back and let Apple ignore new technology, and sneer that "x+1 isn't enough better than x" to rationalize Apple's paralysis. After three years without any update, only the blind ideologues can ignore that there have been enough different "x+1" improvements across the board to put the MP6,1 in a technological backwater.
"Native USB-C" is a lame rationalization - adding a little chip for USB-C support shouldn't be an issue for a company with the innovative ass of Apple.
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But, I'd wager that it's more likely that Apple will discontinue the MP line by the end of the year.
I half expect Timmy to say " There's a few other PC makers that have great pro machines" along the same lines as the ACD.