And Mac Pro isn't potentially high growth? It is, but Pro users won't take 6,1 bait. I'm sure Mac Pros during steve's time did really well.
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What is there's no new MacPro announced on 27th October ?
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Not really. It was a good move for Apple to move their announcement around to the other side.
The Surface Studio has some overlap with the iMac but it is also substantially more expensive. Only have USB 3.0 connectivity. ( versus TB v2 ). It has a big upside for folks who draw on the screen but in the Mac space that is a relatively small segment ( Wacom Cintiq / Tablets ). In terms of DCI-P3. the Studio is playing "catch up".
The "creator" Windows 10 isn't coming until next Spring. Apple has time to get some new hardware out in the Feb-March time frame.
The Surface Book i7? We'll see. Again is it priced relatively high. MS doesn't want to completely piss off their hardware partners so they aren't pushing the envelope on price. That gives partial umbrella coverage to Macs.
Short term Apple has bigger issues trying to maintain their current price points. If MS moves up slightly and Apple moves down slightly (moves the MBA 13" into the MBA 11" price point ) that is actually what they need in the short-intermediate term to get back on track. That's the overall Mac market.
Long term, they do need to stop "under resourcing" the Mac group. keeping up with Windows is going to get harder because MS isn't shooting themselves in the foot as much. A larger Magic Trackpad with Pencil integration. Some more research stabs at touchscreen Macs in case the "touch desktop" becomes expected normal over time.
Mac Pro segment...... yeah they are about to get crushed if Apple cannot establish an expectation that they are committed to regular incremental upgrades. Hiding a hole for 3 years at a time isn't going to work. That isn't an attack by the MS Surface product line up though. That is far more other system vendors putting in time and effort coupled to a Windows 10 that isn't 'lost'.
Augmented reality ( or some aspect of VR) .... that's is more likely an iOS based solution. I doubt there is going to be a primary Mac focus coming there. Microsoft's push seems more deeply coupled to Windows ( and Xbox) than to their Surface hardware.
Only a tad over 1 hour left now, i am really exited which is weird because i know that i will be very disappointed anyway 
But if they talk about other products during the keynote, they have hidden them very well, basically only the MBP have leaked in any meaningful way.
But if they talk about other products during the keynote, they have hidden them very well, basically only the MBP have leaked in any meaningful way.
No. The workstation market has been hovering around +/- 1% growth for more than several years now. It isn't imploding but it is not a growth market either.
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Q2’16 a good quarter for workstations, no excuses or disclaimers necessary
Lately, we've been having to put a lot of words around any positive commentary we make on the workstation market. Flat to modestly down numbers have been all-too common, and even up quarters had to be tempered, as more often than not a positive performance was just making up for previous lost ground. ..."
http://jonpeddie.com/publications/workstation_report
Q2 '16 was out of the norm, but bubbles pop up from time to time.
Not toward the end of "Steve's era" which is why Steve slow rolled Mac Pro development. The "nothing" in the 2012 time frame is because Steve did nothing in the 2009-2010 timeframe.
Well there's always fewer leaks about Mac hardware than iPhone/iPad hardware. That doesn't worry me so much. What worries me is how little Apple seems to care about improving software and OS on the Mac side, and so much time passing between updates. With Apple's money, they should have no trouble keeping pace. It doesn't really take that much effort, but I think nowadays there's not a single product that gets released from Apple without Ive polishing a chamfered edge, and he just doesn't care about desktops so there's a bottleneck while all his time is spent on iPhones and the Watch. Either they need to find somebody who can multitask, or spin off the Mac division to new management. As long as there's a CEO at the top who thinks an iPad is good enough for any use case, and a Chief Design Officer who nobody can control anymore since Jobs passed, Apple is really becoming dysfunctional when it comes to meeting the needs of its users.
Im buying the new MBP for my hobby stuff and private stuff, buying a Dell or HP for my serious stuff
got z series...and have mac pro 5,1...i need to get my adobe training on soon as possible.....
I'll watch with some interest to see if the Macworld source is right about a new Mac Pro coming out in November, but will be proceeding with the assumption the Mac Pro is dead, and continue (as I've been doing for a while) to research my options for switching to Linux. I'll dual boot Windows as I do with the Mac now, but primarily I will stick with a *NIX environment. I would've preferred the Mac, but Linux will do fine.
With the oil & gas industry here in Houston, there's always a glut of HP, Lenovo, and Dell workstations from recyclers, craigslist, etc. Think I'm gonna plunk down that order for 4 GTX 1080s from B&H, and stick em in a cheap workstation to test my workflow.
If Apple does something worthwhile in November, fine - but I'm not waiting.
If Apple does something worthwhile in November, fine - but I'm not waiting.
I think you took that too literally. MS is generating "excitement" in a way that Apple used to but doesn't anymore.
I agree about its pricing, but curious what that even means anymore about pissing off their partners? I would understand it with something like their once nascent (and now essentially dead) phone OS, but really, what are partners going to do if Microsoft pushes the envelope on price?... stop selling Windows computers? It was one thing back in the day when MS was concerned other companies would stop trying to innovate and push things forward, but that was exactly the problem... Dell, HP, etc, are content to sell the same boxes as they always have - they couldn't give a jack about pushing the industry forward.deconstruct60 said:
If they're smart, they will keep pushing the Studio model ahead. It has the potential to exceed the iMac without too much trouble. Considering it is a first effort and the current iMac is how many generations old, I'd say Microsoft is off to a splendid start.
It seems like such a mind bogglingly bad idea from Apple. The professional software ecosystem was already well established under OS X and their Mac Pro hardware... it's like they are trying their hardest to lose a market that would be so INCREDIBLY easy to keep. Their macbooks are still well made, but they are going to start losing that too if the software is better on even cheaper hardware.
The problem is, they were overpriced and obsolete to start with.
Three years later, Apple's modest discounts on the closeouts won't adequately address that.
Look what they did with Aperture. It got great reviews from users and was pretty popular and what did Apple do? Dropped it and give all the users away to other vendor's software (mainly Capture One and Lightroom).
How many video users did they upset with FCP 7? They radically changed things and drove users away until they brought features back to stop the exodus.
Not learning from the past, they are now seeing if they can screw with the hardware to drive more people away.
What difference is FCPX going to make if they drive away too many professionals? All they'll be left with are prosumers on iMacs and MacBook Pros.
If the new MBP could host 64GB of RAM, instead of being limited to 16GB, it could handle more field use cases...
Not surprised there was no nMP 7,1 announcement - the components that would fit Apple's usual "big step forward" mantra just aren't available in quantity yet. Still think Kaby Lake is the lynchpin.
Will be milking my 12c 5,1 tower until at least NAB 2017 in hopes Apple will come strong. Not holding my breath...
Not surprised there was no nMP 7,1 announcement - the components that would fit Apple's usual "big step forward" mantra just aren't available in quantity yet. Still think Kaby Lake is the lynchpin.
Will be milking my 12c 5,1 tower until at least NAB 2017 in hopes Apple will come strong. Not holding my breath...
I don't get it. Why is the 2013 Mac Pro not a viable option to buy right now? Is it like slow or something?
Or are you ppl, kinda like those guys who want the fastest and newest? And it doesn't really matter if the 2013 Mac Pro is still viable today. And the new MBP with Thunderbolt 3 also another option? Even though its not a desktop?
I don't think there will be heat issues. These new GPU's are more power efficient and thermally perfect for mobile solutions (its where the industry was heading to anyway). And the cooling of the new MBP starting with whenever they put those air vents on the bottom side are very efficient at cooling.
I don't get it. I would love to be able to afford a 2013 Mac Pro. And, even though there is no new Mac Pro announced, you know, Apple will update the Mac Pro. It's just a matter of time. Which Apple needs to make sure that when they do update the Mac Pro that the manufacturing logistical questions are addressed, such as availability, etc...
Seriously, hearing all these ppl whine about moving to HP makes it seem like the 2013 Mac Pro is an obsolete machine for their work. What kind of work do you guys do anyway that you're like itching for the newest chip that intel has, which if you follow intel has only managed to create 10% improvements on their cpu's each year since the first core series back in 2009 or whathaveyou.
Or are you ppl, kinda like those guys who want the fastest and newest? And it doesn't really matter if the 2013 Mac Pro is still viable today. And the new MBP with Thunderbolt 3 also another option? Even though its not a desktop?
I don't think there will be heat issues. These new GPU's are more power efficient and thermally perfect for mobile solutions (its where the industry was heading to anyway). And the cooling of the new MBP starting with whenever they put those air vents on the bottom side are very efficient at cooling.
I don't get it. I would love to be able to afford a 2013 Mac Pro. And, even though there is no new Mac Pro announced, you know, Apple will update the Mac Pro. It's just a matter of time. Which Apple needs to make sure that when they do update the Mac Pro that the manufacturing logistical questions are addressed, such as availability, etc...
Seriously, hearing all these ppl whine about moving to HP makes it seem like the 2013 Mac Pro is an obsolete machine for their work. What kind of work do you guys do anyway that you're like itching for the newest chip that intel has, which if you follow intel has only managed to create 10% improvements on their cpu's each year since the first core series back in 2009 or whathaveyou.
Yes, I remember when they announced Maya for Mac, sure looked like a "Great Big, Beautiful Tomorrow" back then.