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❓ What UPS will you be using with your new Mac Studio? ❓
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Software is not required.
It is controlled by your Energy Saver settings.
I use the Cyberpower remote management network card option into my gigabit switch for remote control & notifications:
I want the software so events will get recorded. My apartment's power is kinda flaky sometimes.
?? My understanding is APC works with MacOS (https://www.apc.com/us/en/faqs/FA159690/). The Power Chute software is not compatible and has to be natively configured to shut down in Energy Saver settings. I do not have a MacOS to check out (Studio inbound). Am I wrong??
It will work with the built in features of OSX which basically just will shut down the Mac in the event of a power loss. I am wanting actual software that will do event logging and notifications, and firmware updates. APC's software doesn't support the Mac so I will be switching to Cyberpower. It's a shame because I've always bought and used APC products, and I loved their Power Chute software when I had a pc.
I use a 900VA Tripp Lite one. #1 requirement is that it doesn't make any damn noise when the power goes off.
I can confirm that the CyberPower software is more flexible. They wrote versions for all of Windows + macOS + Linux (this means people manage to run it in docker even). In the case of macOS, you plug the UPS with the USB cable then macOS’ built-in NUT options will appear in System Pref, while you can install CyperPower’s local version of their software, it will act as a daemon and a web server which then you access it via browser (thus remote management is possible too with minimal config).
Although this may seem like THE ultimate mic-drop, considering everything in your home now has an APS system, I’m VERY curious of the following:
1. How many EVs are in use and charge in your home? Should this increase, do you consider,
2. The max power rate of all your appliances in your home and especially your computers?
I ask this with rising record cost of oil at the pump, which also affects quite a number of homes for power/heating. I’m guessing oil and energy costs are not going to go down to what was normal from just 4yrs ago ever again, and with EV’s charging at home (more than one) I’m worried the expense will have many to drastically consider their computers in the home and how much power drain is going on.
Eaton 9PX 11000i RT6U with 8 EBM's 11kVA at 10kW - with the current home office load, I can get about 6 hours of everything on power in the event of complete mains power failure.
As I'm relatively in the middle of nowhere, that also now falls back to a Hyundai DHY11KSEm 14kVA at 11.2kW Diesel Generator for the entire house (we already had diesel powered heating, so we have a 550 Imp. Gallon diesel tank outside) - conservation area prevents us from using solar at the moment.
As I'm relatively in the middle of nowhere, that also now falls back to a Hyundai DHY11KSEm 14kVA at 11.2kW Diesel Generator for the entire house (we already had diesel powered heating, so we have a 550 Imp. Gallon diesel tank outside) - conservation area prevents us from using solar at the moment.
APC has worked flawlessly for me in two different locations notwithstanding that PowerChute software is not mac friendly. The APC is detected and the native power management in system preferences works just fine.
I remember the APC Power Chute software!
Back in the early 2000s I had it on my home PCs & workstation and while running the software, I had a number of power brownouts which the APC saved the computers at that time but killed my A/C compressor for the house.
When I presented the compressor failure repair bill ($5,000) to the power company, they instantly denied me stating that the failure was not power related.
Then I presented the APC logging history and showed them the mains power quality, they immediately paid up !
Currently we have one EV (Tesla Model 3) in our home. It is set to start charging at 11:00 PM -- because of our time-of-use electric rate plan, it is cheapest at this time. The power consumed during EV charging is in the order of 10 kilowatts -- much much more than any computers or appliances (unless there are multiple A/C units). The charging is from the grid -- not the Powerwall.
Our Powerwalls (we have 2) can only get charge from our Solar Array, not from the grid. I have set it so that when our electricity rates are highest (3:00PM to 9:00PM) the house is powered by the Powerwall and the electricity generated by the Solar panels is sold back to the grid (since the rates are highest). The Powerwalls are drained till they reach 40% capacity (settable) with the remainder kicking in only if there is a power outage.
The rules are complicated because basically the utility doesn't want users to fill up the Powerwall when rates are cheap and then sell it back to the utility when rates are highest. The difference is 4X.
Powerwalls give you whole-house UPS and also some rate arbitrage as described above, but they are expensive so I'm not sure whether they "pay for themselves" -- except if you count peace of mind.
I use any UPS that has a pure sine wave output vice a stepped output. Research says that is better for your electronics.
I have used both APC and CyberPower for years; have found the CyberPower models are typically a little less expensive for a given feature set. I'll be using a 1500VA pure since wave model (predecessor to current similar model) to power my new Mac Studio... it handles my 12 core 5,1 Mac Pro just fine and so will certainly have no problem with the much more efficient Mac Studio. It will also be powering my cable modem and router. A second 1000VA CyberPower UPS powers a remote antenna and some ethernet switches. A third, smaller APS powers my displays and audio interface.
Costco has a UPS just like my older 1500VA model available for a lot less the current model:
www.costco.com
Currently on sale for $150!
I did run into an issue with a certain powered USB hub; when the CyberPower was plugged into that hub, the CyberPower would crash (the UPS, not the computer) when shutting down the computer. Resolved by plugging the UPS into a non-powered hub.
As noted earlier, the CyberPower models use standard batteries. So do the APCs. You can use aftermarket batteries to save a fair amount off the cost of the UPS manufacturer's branded batteries.
Please get a UPS. And also get a backup drive and enable Time Machine. Just do it.
Costco has a UPS just like my older 1500VA model available for a lot less the current model:
CyberPower 1500VA / 900Watts True Sine Wave Uninterruptible Power Supply (UPS)
CyberPower 1500VA / 900Watts True Sine Wave Uninterruptible Power Supply (UPS)
Currently on sale for $150!
I did run into an issue with a certain powered USB hub; when the CyberPower was plugged into that hub, the CyberPower would crash (the UPS, not the computer) when shutting down the computer. Resolved by plugging the UPS into a non-powered hub.
As noted earlier, the CyberPower models use standard batteries. So do the APCs. You can use aftermarket batteries to save a fair amount off the cost of the UPS manufacturer's branded batteries.
Please get a UPS. And also get a backup drive and enable Time Machine. Just do it.
A UPS should ideally be plugged directly into your Mac....
I assume the powered hub was powered by the UPS also?
Thanks for posting that. I just bought it. ☺️I have used both APC and CyberPower for years; have found the CyberPower models are typically a little less expensive for a given feature set. I'll be using a 1500VA pure since wave model (predecessor to current similar model) to power my new Mac Studio... it handles my 12 core 5,1 Mac Pro just fine and so will certainly have no problem with the much more efficient Mac Studio. It will also be powering my cable modem and router. A second 1000VA CyberPower UPS powers a remote antenna and some ethernet switches. A third, smaller APS powers my displays and audio interface.
Costco has a UPS just like my older 1500VA model available for a lot less the current model:
CyberPower 1500VA / 900Watts True Sine Wave Uninterruptible Power Supply (UPS)
CyberPower 1500VA / 900Watts True Sine Wave Uninterruptible Power Supply (UPS)
Currently on sale for $150!
I did run into an issue with a certain powered USB hub; when the CyberPower was plugged into that hub, the CyberPower would crash (the UPS, not the computer) when shutting down the computer. Resolved by plugging the UPS into a non-powered hub.
As noted earlier, the CyberPower models use standard batteries. So do the APCs. You can use aftermarket batteries to save a fair amount off the cost of the UPS manufacturer's branded batteries.
Please get a UPS. And also get a backup drive and enable Time Machine. Just do it.
From his description I am more worried if that specific USB hub has grounding issues or something more serious. I got a 10 port Orion USB3 hub that used to exhibit all sorts of power issues, like blacking out my displays when I touch my finger onto its metallic chassis. These hubs aren’t the best engineered products out there. So I concur that the UPS should be directly attaching the Mac USB port, to minimize potential failures.A UPS should ideally be plugged directly into your Mac....
I assume the powered hub was powered by the UPS also?
I just dumped the bad hub. It may have also killed a flash drive. I've been using a non-powered hub ever since, with perfect UPS performance. Too many USB devices, especially now that I am running a Mac Studio with no room for internal drives.
yeah most have fans. Some claim to only use the fans when the battery is actively in use
btw, anyone have experience with eaton? This one fits my space too and its 600w
Eaton 5S1000LCD UPS Battery Backup & Surge Protector, 1000VA / 600W, AVR, LCD Display, Line Interactive
EATON 5S 1000VA LCD TOWER LCD 120Vwww.amazon.com
We use Eaton at work, but the huge rack ones. Their support has been very good when we've needed it, but I've not got any experience with prosumer ones.... yet.
For some reason, Apple doesn't list the power connector, but is it just a C5 type? I do wish they'd list things like that, it seems stupid for it not to be in the tech specs.
I have one of these and I’m sure the battery will soon need to be replaced, but I havent been able to find one.
Dear experts, I do need your advice badly on what UPS to employ with my modest system:
1. Mac Studio (Max power consumption 215 W)
2. ThunderBay Flex 8 DASD (Total Wattage 500 W)
3. Studio Display (Power consumption 31 W)
4. Modem (not sure, but should be not too much, I would guess)
5. Telephone adapter (low power usage, I think)
6. A few USB drives
The UPS will be configured to properly shutdown the above equipment if the power has been out for over 5 minutes. We usually have several power outages a year as well as a few brown-outs, most lasting less than 10 minutes, but the duration of the outage is not critical, IMHO: of main concern would be transient spikes caused by power grid shutdown and startup.
I've heard that the power coming out of a UPS is hugely noisy, and NOT the “pure” sine-wave. I'd imagine that's true while it's running off battery but not sure how bad it is when it's not…
What UPS would you, dear experts, recommend for my use case, please? Would the CyberPower Smart App Sinewave PR1500LCD be suitable, for example❓
Please chime in!
1. Mac Studio (Max power consumption 215 W)
2. ThunderBay Flex 8 DASD (Total Wattage 500 W)
3. Studio Display (Power consumption 31 W)
4. Modem (not sure, but should be not too much, I would guess)
5. Telephone adapter (low power usage, I think)
6. A few USB drives
The UPS will be configured to properly shutdown the above equipment if the power has been out for over 5 minutes. We usually have several power outages a year as well as a few brown-outs, most lasting less than 10 minutes, but the duration of the outage is not critical, IMHO: of main concern would be transient spikes caused by power grid shutdown and startup.
I've heard that the power coming out of a UPS is hugely noisy, and NOT the “pure” sine-wave. I'd imagine that's true while it's running off battery but not sure how bad it is when it's not…
What UPS would you, dear experts, recommend for my use case, please? Would the CyberPower Smart App Sinewave PR1500LCD be suitable, for example❓
Please chime in!