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I understand that, but you would admit that the item is horrible. I think it will divide us even more, even from a socioeconomic point of view.
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I understand that, but you would admit that the item is horrible. I think it will divide us even more, even from a socioeconomic point of view.
Oh, absolutely; I love coming across new beers, and a new dish on a menu.
Glad you had what sounds like a terrific day.
No, neither do I.
It has been a long time since I was blown away by this event (and yes, once upon a distant time, I did follow it).
These days, Apple is a large, powerful, multi-national corporation; cutting edge tech designs and innovation are no longer what they do, or where their core interests lie.
Unfortunately, I think that this may be all too true.
Agreed.
If it really is anything near what they showed, from a technological standpoint it would be amazing, but in general yes, I too think that many industries are turning introverts into misanthropes, and slightly lazy people into people so lazy that even using a computer becomes a chore for them.
I was reading an article in the newspaper this morning, a psychologist says he’s never seen so many young people with addictions, they’re so lonely and don’t know how to interact with people and establish meaningful relationships.
Another expensive item to show off will add to the pervasive exhibitionist culture we’re living in.
Oh yes, the technological standpoint is impressive. However, I am not sure it’s worth the cost (meant in non-monetary terms).
Yes, it has been a problem for a while, and as the Facebook files demonstrated the companies are very aware of the issue but don’t give a darn about it. Girls are suicidal because of IG. Boys feel lonely and depressed. It’s bad and the scientific literature is all there. This tool will make things worse the moment in which people will need to buy skins and virtual tools (virtual furniture etc) using real money. Then, the divide will show and you’ll see the damages.
Do you remember Second Life? People used real money to buy ”houses” and “land lots“ to build virtual buildings and establishments.
I have read boys are also losing interest in sex, probably they’re shifting more and more towards masturbation thanks to omnipresent pornography, IG and Onlyfans, while basically almost everything we did was “how is this going to help me to get girls?”
If I think backwards to my teenage self, I was an introvert, well still am, but if I was a teenager nowadays I would have grown into a full blown misanthrope, no need to go outside and meet people to accomplish anything, I did use the internet extensively to improve my language skills, but I also did have to go outside and develop social skills in order to get anything done. There’s a quote from André Gide that comes to my mind, from ”Si le grain ne meurt”, it was something like ”I’ve reached 23 years old completely virgin and depraved”, I might have had a good chance of turning out like that had I been a teenager today, considering how introvert, shy and awkward I used to be.
I’m not a parent so I wouldn’t know, but don’t they notice anything strange with their kids? Don’t they check on them? Don’t they check what their kids do with their devices? I mean, it’s not rocket science to get your underage son or daughter to unlock their devices and start checking.
Same here. I am glad I am not a teen now.
They just do the easy thing. I’ve been complaining about that for a while. We’re depriving kids the opportunity to see and observe how people interact. It’s obscene.
I am just glad my youngest kid (17yo in a month) was able to see the damage TikTok was doing to him and removed it, but I had to talk to him multiple times.
Agree with you both @yaxomoxay and @fanboy-ish - you have written some interesting, unsettling and thought-provoking posts.
And I thank the gods in whose existence I harbour some doubt that I am not a teenager in today's world; for, it was difficult enough at the time.
And I thank the gods in whose existence I harbour some doubt that I am not a teenager in today's world; for, it was difficult enough at the time.
I don't feel that pessimistic about VR and metaverse technoloogy, either broadly or specifically. First from a broad perspective, humans are resilient and adaptable. Just as other changes in communication, such as writing, moveable type, the telegraph, the telephone, and email, surely caused consternation and angst at first, VR may seem malevolent right now. But I am confident that if few positive uses emerge for VR, it will remain on the fringes of most people's lives and will become just another some-do-it-even-though-it's-unhealthy activity.
Specifically, the failure of Google Glass, the irrelevance of Second Life despite the sustained hype it received, and the inability of Meta to make it's VR products and services mainstream–or even attractive to its massive user bases–all point to a minimal societal or generational threat. Apple Vision Pro, especially given its high price, isn't going to break this pattern, in my opinion. And even if it did, I think there are a lot more pressing and immediate threats to people's well-being, safety, and health currently than using a legless avatar in a deserted "town plaza" to order a pizza.
Specifically, the failure of Google Glass, the irrelevance of Second Life despite the sustained hype it received, and the inability of Meta to make it's VR products and services mainstream–or even attractive to its massive user bases–all point to a minimal societal or generational threat. Apple Vision Pro, especially given its high price, isn't going to break this pattern, in my opinion. And even if it did, I think there are a lot more pressing and immediate threats to people's well-being, safety, and health currently than using a legless avatar in a deserted "town plaza" to order a pizza.
The thing which excited me the most and when it was announced I cheered: it was the new name for MacOS -- Sonoma. YAY, I had guessed right this time! Just had a feeling that this next version of the OS would be Sonoma's time to shine...
I missed some of the live event broadcast because a friend stopped by to drop something off and we chatted for a bit, so I will need to check later to see what the newest WatchOS will bring us, plus I caught just the tail end of something about a Health app -- not sure if that was for the Apple Watch or iOS 17 in general.
Even though I was not and still am not interested in the new AR / AI technology, it still was fascinating to watch the introduction and presentation of the new Vision Pro. I am perfectly happy sitting with a computer or using my iPhone or iPad to deal with life, real or otherwise, and truly do not anticipate ever putting a pair of those goggles on my head, but, yes, they are interesting-looking and they appear to do interesting things.
I missed some of the live event broadcast because a friend stopped by to drop something off and we chatted for a bit, so I will need to check later to see what the newest WatchOS will bring us, plus I caught just the tail end of something about a Health app -- not sure if that was for the Apple Watch or iOS 17 in general.
Even though I was not and still am not interested in the new AR / AI technology, it still was fascinating to watch the introduction and presentation of the new Vision Pro. I am perfectly happy sitting with a computer or using my iPhone or iPad to deal with life, real or otherwise, and truly do not anticipate ever putting a pair of those goggles on my head, but, yes, they are interesting-looking and they appear to do interesting things.
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I wish there would be an Apple macOS Orange (plus we could compare Apple’s Oranges). And it’s high time for macOS Humboldt or Mendocino. Or how about a hard-to-spell series: Stanislaus, Siskiyou, and Tuolumne?
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I just miss the cats. The names they use now are largely forgettable if you don’t know that area (which being European, I don’t).
But at least all my devices are compatible for now.
But at least all my devices are compatible for now.
I think that what is worrisome is that this technology is going to improve and, if Apple will be able to make it accessible, popular and useful, others will follow suit and manufacture cheaper versions that mimic Apple's products and services. If we consider a generation, or more than one generation, with widespread mental health problems linked to depression, loneliness and self-esteem, that may come in contact with yet another device designed to keep you alone in your living room, then I think there could be some worries, that is, of course, if this technology does become useful and somewhat affordable.
What may worry people, I think, is that Apple is behind this and, knowing Apple, they have a knack for pulling off products that may seem, at first, impossible or revolutionary.
Would I buy it? Of course, but I'm a nerd, I'd even buy a Mac Studio or Mac Pro if I had money to burn, but yes, if I had a very high disposable income I'd buy it on day one.
One thing I saw on the keynote that I really liked was the ability in Messages to transcribe voice notes. I hate voice notes, I think they're as intrusive as phone calls, I hope other apps - I'm looking at you, WhatsApp - will introduce this same feature asap, so I won't have to stop whatever I'm doing to listen to something that someone was too lazy to type on a device with a keyboard with predictive text suggestions.
Going back to the more beautiful real world, I admired nature during a walk in the park yesterday afternoon.
Gotta love the "Stinking Bishop" cheese and the "Ox blood" Red IPA for that matter.
I haven't watched it, i read the main points and might watch the highlights. I do think there may be some very interesting and positive uses of the new AR tech though I agree with all the negative probable outcomes you and others have posted.
I can't agree that the iOS and MacOS updates are terrible. I for one have gotten a bit fed up with the constant push - and not just from Apple - for almost mandatory yearly updates of both hardware and software that have to include all sorts of new features and gimmicks. Plenty of people on the forums and IRL would like stability and bug fixes say over a two year period.
I also want to say to you and @yaxomoxay and @Scepticalscribe "ok boomer" except I may be older than you and actually none of us are actually baby boomers on this thread. I am Gen X born the same year as Helena Bonham Carter, Kiefer Sutherland, Selma Hayek among others.
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That is bad, sounds like those young men in Japan who are becoming hermits I read about.
Hey oldie, no need to yell at the clouds.@yaxomoxay and @Scepticalscribe "ok boomer" except I may be older than you and actually none of us are actually baby boomers on this thread. I am Gen X born the same year as Helena Bonham Carter, Kiefer Sutherland, Selma Hayek among others.
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OK Junior, I believe some on this thread actually are baby boomers based on the birth years definition of the term. I being one, born 7 years before you and your Hollywood friendsI also want to say to you and @yaxomoxay and @Scepticalscribe "ok boomer" except I may be older than you and actually none of us are actually baby boomers on this thread. I am Gen X born the same year as Helena Bonham Carter, Kiefer Sutherland, Selma Hayek among others.
It is a wonderful name.
Stinking Bishop is a washed rind (washed with perry, - the varietal of pears go by the name of "Stinking Bishop pears" if memory serves) semi-soft cheese - and, if you like that style (I do), you will love it.
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Yes, the cats were wonderfully easy to remember; agreed, I miss the cats, too.
Soon England soon...I do love those cheeses in fact. I may have mentioned this before but many people from Asia are repulsed by western dairy food items. As a young student in a summer job in Canada working in a clothing wearhouse the supervisors ordered pizza for the whole crew at the end of our contract - one recent Chinese immigrant had to sit on the other side of the lunchroom and was apologetic as he said he could not stand the smell of cheese. When I moved to Europe some fellow students from Asia were similarly repulsed though some got a taste for the milder versions. I know of one photographer I follow on IG of Asian origin (and some friends also born here) who posts her love for cheese dishes on the other hand.
I did read that lactose intolerance more common among Southern Europeans, as well as people from the Middle East and Asia having a higher frequency. The dairy preparations of Central Asia on the other hand, especially kumis would challenge the most dairy loving westerner. Yes I have tried it.
England has some excellent cheeses: There are some well known ones (Stilton, Montgomery Cheddar, and so on) and less well known (yet outstanding) cheeses, (some with wonderful names) such as Lincolnshire Poacher, Stinking Bishop, Cardinal Sin, Renegade Monk, Bath Blue, to mention just a few.
Actually, I have come across this and have friends with Asian ancestry who are quite allergic to (some) dairy products.
Agree re kumis.
Agree completely.
Yes, I have tried kumis (that's the fermented mare's milk?), served in an impossibly deep bowl, in a yurt, after a polite and formal meeting with election officials somewhere in the mountains of the Naryn region of Kyrgyzstan, and I can honestly say that it was one of the more ghastly, indescribably awful, beverages - that bowl reminded me of those Norse sagas where one character is condemned to drink a beverage from a cursed bowl that can never be fully emptied until after the end of recorded time - that I have ever had the doubtful privilege to savour.
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Yes it's fermented mare's milk, said to cure many sicknesses. I do like a lot of Central Asian cuisine, especially plov (rice pilaf) prepared with generous amounts of meat, usually mutton/lamb and chicken and lots of carrots and saffron as well as the terrific manti (large ravioli) and many salads and local fresh fruit like apricots and massive melons. Even the small hard cheese balls with a vague taste like pecorino and other hard cheeses meant to sustain nomads.
Re: English cheese one of the minor downsides of living on the continent is the dearth of many of the varieties of English cheeses. Having also read the menu posted by Applefanboy I am solidily behind the idea that England does indeed have good cuisine, partly helped by immigrants from the Commonwealth and also local production and traditional dishes (not the modern fast food culture which is gaining a foothold even here).
Re: English cheese one of the minor downsides of living on the continent is the dearth of many of the varieties of English cheeses. Having also read the menu posted by Applefanboy I am solidily behind the idea that England does indeed have good cuisine, partly helped by immigrants from the Commonwealth and also local production and traditional dishes (not the modern fast food culture which is gaining a foothold even here).