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Crowbot

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All this talk about sanitation’s made me remember that I haven’t been so regular with my nasal irrigation recently which is part of every yogi's life. It expands and opens up the breathing wonderfully.
Yes but one has to be careful with nasal irrigation. Using sterile water is essential.
 
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Lioness~

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Yes but one has to be careful with nasal irrigation. Using sterile water is essential.
Haha, have you ever used one? Surely doesn’t sound like that.
But absolutely not is the answer on that question. The practice is to rather mix a half teaspoon salt (sea salt is preferred) into the Neti, and then the user needs practice to use it successfully.
 

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Haha, have you ever used one? Surely doesn’t sound like that.
But absolutely not is the answer on that question. The practice is to rather mix a half teaspoon salt (sea salt is preferred) into the Neti, and then the user needs practice to use it successfully.
I have never used one but I have read up on it a bit since I considered using one.

I don't know where you get your water but tap water is not recommended. I should have said sterile saline.
 

Lioness~

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Sure you can read up on it on internet and learn as much as you can through internet, and go ahead and think and do what you want.

It’s certainly not my problem.

But I've learned from a very solid yoga tradition, from very experienced teachers and know exactly what I'm doing. And that is the end of the info I give you.
 

Crowbot

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Sure you can read up on it on internet and learn as much as you can through internet, and go ahead and think and do what you want.

It’s certainly not my problem.

But I've learned from a very solid yoga tradition, from very experienced teachers and know exactly what I'm doing. And that is the end of the info I give you.
If your method works for you then I am glad. I'm not trying to get into an argument. My point is that anything one puts up one's nose should be as sterile as possible.
 

VulchR

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30 min is definitely an extreme, I had 5-10 min in mind for an average person(not a medical professional).
The surgeons generally scrub 3 minutes per surface, but seriously there's a big difference between wanting to achieve sterility for surgery versus merely trying to reduce the odds of an infection. Soap- and alcohol-based products do kill bacteria, but it takes time to break down cell walls enough so that water enters the cell and kills it (e.g, 20 minutes for 70% ethanol). I think when most people wash their hands probably the greatest effect is simply removing bacteria from the surface of the skin rather than killing microorganisms outright. So a long time rinsing after soaping up is probably a good thing, as is avoiding re-contaminating your hands after drying them by touching handles etc. Just my two cents...
 

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The surgeons generally scrub 3 minutes per surface, but seriously there's a big difference between wanting to achieve sterility for surgery versus merely trying to reduce the odds of an infection. Soap- and alcohol-based products do kill bacteria, but it takes time to break down cell walls enough so that water enters the cell and kills it (e.g, 20 minutes for 70% ethanol). I think when most people wash their hands probably the greatest effect is simply removing bacteria from the surface of the skin rather than killing microorganisms outright. So a long time rinsing after soaping up is probably a good thing, as is avoiding re-contaminating your hands after drying them by touching handles etc. Just my two cents...
100% on touching handles on public toilets after you wash your hands. If it’s the sort of door that requires you to pull it open, it’s pinky finger only. Or wait for someone to come in or out and dive through after them using your foot if needs be on the door!
 

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100% on touching handles on public toilets after you wash your hands. If it’s the sort of door that requires you to pull it open, it’s pinky finger only. Or wait for someone to come in or out and dive through after them using your foot if needs be on the door!
I usually leave the water running and close the taps with my towel after drying my hands. I keep the towel to open the door and dispose of it then.
 

decafjava

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Let's be clear, we all are surrounded and also have in our interior (in our gut to put it really simply) lots of bacteria. I mean a lot. Not only are most harmless a healthy biome is needed for health. Stripping our skin by excessive washing or in terms of digestion with a poor diet is harmful. Anyone who has ever had to do an antibiotic treatment knows what I mean.
 

scubachap

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Interesting subject - doesn't soap break down a Virus coating as well (is it proteins?) - it's not a membrane is it?
 

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Chuckeee

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100% on touching handles on public toilets after you wash your hands. If it’s the sort of door that requires you to pull it open, it’s pinky finger only. Or wait for someone to come in or out and dive through after them using your foot if needs be on the door!
This brings to mind a pet peeve. Why do small restrooms allow have doors that open in. So you have to push to enter (which is easy to do with your foot) but have to pull to exit (which often requires fingers or you hand). It would be so much better the other way around. So I could use my foot to open the door after washing my hands. And they are small room too, have the door opening out would leave more room
 
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scubachap

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Sure you can read up on it on internet and learn as much as you can through internet, and go ahead and think and do what you want.

It’s certainly not my problem.

But I've learned from a very solid yoga tradition, from very experienced teachers and know exactly what I'm doing. And that is the end of the info I give you.
Snorting salt water was always an old (attempted) cure for diving equalisation / sinus problems.
 

VulchR

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100% on touching handles on public toilets after you wash your hands. If it’s the sort of door that requires you to pull it open, it’s pinky finger only. Or wait for someone to come in or out and dive through after them using your foot if needs be on the door!
I use paper towels as a barrier if they are available, and my elbow or back of hand if they are not.
 

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I usually leave the water running and close the taps with my towel after drying my hands. I keep the towel to open the door and dispose of it then.
Usually they have air blowers these days. But yes I’ve been known to do similar.
This brings to mind a pet peeve. Why do small restrooms allow have doors that open in. So you have to push to enter (which is easy to do with your foot) but have to pull to exit (which often requires fingers or you hand). It would be so much better the other way around. So I could use my foot to open the door after washing my hands. And they are small room too, have the door opening out would leave more room
Because if they opened out you would smash the person in the face in the corridor as you leave!
 

Lioness~

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Building a strong immune system:

Investigate from own circumstances what fits into people's lives and what people love to do.
But the love of what we do also comes with time, as we improve and gets good at something.
 

KaliYoni

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Sinus trivia: Leo Fender, inventor of the Telecaster and Stratocaster, developed a bad sinus infection that defied all treatment. So bad, it was a major factor in his selling Fender Musical Instruments to a gigantic, focused-on-cost-cutting corporation, to the detriment of guitar players everywhere.

So, I agree that neti pot users should use the cleanest water possible.
 
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Scepticalscribe

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In a coffee shop.
Fascinating turn the thread has taken.

Re sinus issues - I used to suffer terribly from this - hydration helps (enormously), as does Olbas Oil (eucalyptus) and a completely smoke free environment.

When I was a student, people smoked everywhere, in pubs, coffee shops, cinemas, cars, buses, and in their own homes.

My sinuses - which were extraordinarily sensitive to, and violently allergic to - cigarette smoke (and cannabis, for that matter, one of the worst sinus attacks I had in my entire life occurred at a party a few decades ago where many of the others - guests and hosts both - smoked cannabis; I retreated to the kitchen, where I spent some of the following hours simply blowing my nose non-stop into vast quantities of kitchen tissue paper) - enthusiastically applauded each and every extension of the ban on smoking.
 
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