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Rafterman

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I’ve never felt so totally UN-interested in any Apple product as in Vision Pro 😂

Yet, I’ve read a lot in the threads about it. Just because I want to figure out why I am so uninterested.
What I got this far: the really cool ones buys it and the un-cool are not interested.
So I probably belong to the later part, and I really don’t want to get into a discussion about it with the really cool ones. Because for me this device has no point. It just looks so ridiculous, and probably uncomfortable too after not so long time.

See if it comes out a VisionPro Mini, and if that can change my mind? 🥱

Make it the size of a regular pair of glasses, and no external battery pack (that's a huge yuck)...then I'd be interested.
 

Clix Pix

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That thicker skin is vital in the real world. Many of the young people I work with are very delicate little flowers. You have to be so careful how you speak to them. It’s exhausting!

When I started working I was considerably younger than they are. I had to learn to develop a very thick skin. I dread to think how these people would have gotten on back then. There was no such thing as HR. Just your boss.
Saw this earlier and am only now getting back to it: yes, a thicker skin is absolutely needed, always has been in order to successfully navigate through life's challenges and dealing with (or disregarding) other people and their behavior. For various reasons I developed a thick skin very early on in my life (most likely TOO thick a carapace) and for the most part since it wasn't something of which I was consciously aware, it seemingly served me well.

Ah, but wait: there's usually a "however" and/or a "but" scenario which may come along eventually which can be disconcerting. Many people, including myself, over time become quite skilled at simply turning a blind eye to it all, automatically and instinctively pushing down, burying (especially negative) feelings of any sort, never mind expressing them, so that this becomes thoroughly ingrained and, well, just a way of life. This is now understood not to be that (emotionally/psychologically) healthy. Then again, neither is hyper-sensitivity, the "delicate snowflake" approach......

Somehow there does need to be a fine balance struck so that when a level of sensitivity is needed that it's possible to tap into it and use that and manage it in ways which benefit both oneself and others. Neither the "sensitive snowflake" or the emotionally shut down approach seems to be working well for those who move through their lives this way. Sooner or later one or both have a way of backfiring.

No easy answers here.....
 

Scepticalscribe

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I’ve never felt so totally UN-interested in any Apple product as in Vision Pro 😂

Yet, I’ve read a lot in the threads about it. Just because I want to figure out why I am so uninterested.
What I got this far: the really cool ones buys it and the un-cool are not interested.
So I probably belong to the later part, and I really don’t want to get into a discussion about it with the really cool ones. Because for me this device has no point. It just looks so ridiculous, and probably uncomfortable too after not so long time.

See if it comes out a VisionPro Mini, and if that can change my mind? 🥱

Not even then. I’m with @Lioness~ on this one. Not even looked at any of the threads about it.
Agree with you both, @Lioness~ and @Apple fanboy.

I have no interest in this, whatsoever.

Actually, I don't even understand the problem for which this product is supposed to be the solution.

In other words, I suppose that I don't "get" it, still less understand the market that it is aimed at.
 
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Clix Pix

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Definitely the Vision Pro is of absolutely no interest to me and I'm already tired of seeing all the threads and posts about it, not to mention that same stupid goggle-eyed image on the Apple Starter page, too.

I agree with SS that this is not a product aimed at the general consumer, someone who can immediately see a genuine use for this in their own personal lives. The iPhone, the iPad and the Apple Watch all had the near-instant appeal of how the particular device could comfortably slot into someone's everyday life and fill some particular need which had not been met earlier. Really, the Vision Pro does not have this immediate appeal. Yes, I imagine that it does have some value for specific kinds of applications in the workforce and technical industry, and for the purchasers with big pocketbooks who simply want to be first with the newest device that they'll wind up using mainly for watching movies or some such.....but really, at this point that all seems to be rather limited, doesn't it?

As for a toy for those who want it and who have no qualms about plopping down the fund$ for it, it seems to me that some people who are excited about it are still going to be stymied by various requirements for its usage or actually find that they are not going to be able to use this thing at all due to specific physical or other limitations. I'm sure that will be disappointing and frustrating.

The Vision Pro is clearly not designed to be a popular consumer-level product which will be readily accessible to and appealing to the vast majority of people out here, either now in its initial introduction to the world or probably even later after a few updates/upgrades.... Presumably on some level Apple realizes that. They're marketing to the masses but (at least IMHO) the masses aren't really the target audience in the first place.
 

rm5

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Saw this earlier and am only now getting back to it: yes, a thicker skin is absolutely needed, always has been in order to successfully navigate through life's challenges and dealing with (or disregarding) other people and their behavior. For various reasons I developed a thick skin very early on in my life (most likely TOO thick a carapace) and for the most part since it wasn't something of which I was consciously aware, it seemingly served me well.

Ah, but wait: there's usually a "however" and/or a "but" scenario which may come along eventually which can be disconcerting. Many people, including myself, over time become quite skilled at simply turning a blind eye to it all, automatically and instinctively pushing down, burying (especially negative) feelings of any sort, never mind expressing them, so that this becomes thoroughly ingrained and, well, just a way of life. This is now understood not to be that (emotionally/psychologically) healthy. Then again, neither is hyper-sensitivity, the "delicate snowflake" approach......

Somehow there does need to be a fine balance struck so that when a level of sensitivity is needed that it's possible to tap into it and use that and manage it in ways which benefit both oneself and others. Neither the "sensitive snowflake" or the emotionally shut down approach seems to be working well for those who move through their lives this way. Sooner or later one or both have a way of backfiring.

No easy answers here.....
I don't think I am "hypersensitive" in any way. Of course that was different when I was younger, but I think the same is true for a lot of people. I can tolerate a lot, I'm not discounting that fact. There was just something about that nasty comment that had a different kind of effect. I think part of it was that it reminded me that, yes, I did struggle as a child, on many fronts. And that there were all sorts of implications. That's why I hate being reminded of childhood—it's just a personal thing. And not only that, but the comment in general was hurtful. Had the insult been about something different - I have no idea what that would be - but something different, I don't think I would have taken it so badly.

Look, I've said PLENTY of stupid stuff. Plenty. I'm not trying to create a sense of pity. Now as far as a "fine balance," as you put it, I think I'm close to, if not already at, that point. And I'm sure it'll get more so as I get older.

In short, I agree with you. Now let's move on.
 
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arc of the universe

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I never knew this person was "worthless" until now.
worthless? a person? i dont think so.

there are cruel people in the world. there are dangerous people in the world. there are people who want to scam you and take all your money. there are gangs and terrorists. pickpockets. drunk drivers.

all of these kinds of people will do things that hurt you.

when that happens:

1 get to a place of safety as soon as possible
then
2 give yourself enough time to lick your wounds. dont feel sorry that you need time to recover
then
3 find your way to a stable mindset.
then
4 rebuild to recover whatever they did to you/ took from you
then
5 protect yourself from similar things happening to you by figuring what exactly happened (this can only be done after the first 4 steps)
then
6 know that you are better than those people → meaning: realise that those persons have become that way for some reason(s). feel sorry for those kinds of people. be glad you are not similar to them. (no need to "forgive". that's what gods can do, not us humans).

its not about turning the cheek. its about getting to the point in your life where you can handle and overcome these kinds of setbacks.

if you start off with the wrong advice that those people are worthless, you won't ever have anything but a hollow feeling of superiority and play into their game because you have lost your own humanity.

depending on the severity of what happened to you, the process to overcome it could take mere hours, or could take decades.
 
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rm5

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I know I said I would stop talking about it, but they just messaged me, apologizing. So I guess they realized what they did was indeed wrong (at least that's what I hope). Although I accept their apology, I've obviously lost a lot of trust in this person.

I'm glad they at least realized their (enormous) mistake. Their apology seemed genuine and sincere. Again though, I'm not going to write that off as "just another thing."
 

rm5

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Agree with you both, @Lioness~ and @Apple fanboy.

I have no interest in this, whatsoever.

Actually, I don't even understand the problem for which this product is supposed to be the solution.

In other words, I suppose that I don't "get" it, still less understand the market that it is aimed at.
Hey, you're not alone, because I don't get it either. I haven't hovered my cursor over a single Vision Pro thread, that's how much I DON'T CARE about it.

What purpose is it going to serve? Like, no one's going to be walking around in public with one of those. I mean, if they did, the world would be a straight up Ready Player One clone (fantastic book BTW, the movie was crap though) - and I sure don't want that!
 

Clix Pix

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I don't think I am "hypersensitive" in any way. Of course that was different when I was younger, but I think the same is true for a lot of people. I can tolerate a lot, I'm not discounting that fact. There was just something about that nasty comment that had a different kind of effect. I think part of it was that it reminded me that, yes, I did struggle as a child, on many fronts. And that there were all sorts of implications. That's why I hate being reminded of childhood—it's just a personal thing. And not only that, but the comment in general was hurtful. Had the insult been about something different - I have no idea what that would be - but something different, I don't think I would have taken it so badly.

Look, I've said PLENTY of stupid stuff. Plenty. I'm not trying to create a sense of pity. Now as far as a "fine balance," as you put it, I think I'm close to, if not already at, that point. And I'm sure it'll get more so as I get older.

In short, I agree with you. Now let's move on.
I'm with you all the way, especially with the part about struggling as a child. When I made the reference to "hypersensitive", I wasn't accusing you of that; actually, I was thinking about the (apparently these days) all-too-prevalent whole "delicate snowflakes" thing.....

Glad we agree on things, as I suspect we probably have some in common.....

ETA: I'm glad to hear that the person has now apologized to you!
 
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I’ve never felt so totally UN-interested in any Apple product as in Vision Pro 😂

Yet, I’ve read a lot in the threads about it. Just because I want to figure out why I am so uninterested.
What I got this far: the really cool ones buys it and the un-cool are not interested.
So I probably belong to the later part, and I really don’t want to get into a discussion about it with the really cool ones. Because for me this device has no point. It just looks so ridiculous, and probably uncomfortable too after not so long time.

See if it comes out a VisionPro Mini, and if that can change my mind? 🥱

I too have little-to-no interest in this device, and when I log on to this site and almost every news thread is about it and most of the recently-bumped discussion threads are about it, I find myself less and less interested in coming here. I would like to talk about anything else other than these goggles. AR/VR is not at all what got me into Apple and what keeps me interested in upcoming products.
 

rm5

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I too have little-to-no interest in this device, and when I log on to this site and almost every news thread is about it and most of the recently-bumped discussion threads are about it, I find myself less and less interested in coming here. I would like to talk about anything else other than these goggles. AR/VR is not at all what got me into Apple and what keeps me interested in upcoming products.
If I'm being perfectly honest, I've just lost interest in all new Apple products. Don't care one bit about M3. I care a bit more about the new iPhones, but I have little reason to upgrade. My 2019 iMac, M1 MacBook Air, iPad Air 4, and iPhone 11 Pro all have zero issues, are plenty fast enough, and are not worth upgrading at this point.

And, if I'm being honest, I'm with you about losing interest in coming here... all that's in the "New Threads" section is so irrelevant to me. I want to provide valuable contributions to this site, but it seems there's nothing I can talk about, because I'm so disinterested in what's being discussed. I feel as if I'm either not qualified to reply to the threads because they cover a niche subject, or I just don't have any interest.

Anyway, that's just where I am right now. I agree with you 100%.
 
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mollyc

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On a somewhat related topic, someone said some not very nice things about me in a discord voice channel tonight. I made sure to tell them that what they said was a personal insult and, ultimately, to never bring the topic up again, at least around me.

Exactly what they said was so personally insulting, I'd rather not say it here. Sometimes, people just don't make sense (actually, a lot of the time). I've had people say nasty stuff about me before, but not to that level. Though, I should've probably stopped the discussion well before it got to that point, because, honestly, I knew that was coming.

And no, they were not joking, they sounded quite serious. Even if they were, it would've been the most unfunny joke ever.

I am still very upset. I wish I had someone to talk to right now, this is so distressing.
i’m really sorry to hear this. it’s really frustrating when you find someone you know talking about you. especially when they do it where they think they won’t get caught. and even more so when you know the things they said are half made up. i’ve had this happen multiple times. i typically confront the person, but i rarely get an apology. i’m glad you ultimately did and i hope you can mend fences with the person over time.
 
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I know I said I would stop talking about it, but they just messaged me, apologizing. So I guess they realized what they did was indeed wrong (at least that's what I hope). Although I accept their apology, I've obviously lost a lot of trust in this person.

I'm glad they at least realized their (enormous) mistake. Their apology seemed genuine and sincere. Again though, I'm not going to write that off as "just another thing."
Glad to learn that they apologised, and that the apology was genuine.

At least, that is something, a recognition on their part that their action was inappropriate and wrong.

However, while this will have addressed the immediate issue, and the immediate transgression, and may even repair the relationship (even friendship?) to some extent, there will probably be a small presence in your mind that will remind you that you can never fully trust this person again. And you - most likely - won't ever fully trust them again.

And that, too, is fine.
 
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Scepticalscribe

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If I'm being perfectly honest, I've just lost interest in all new Apple products. Don't care one bit about M3. I care a bit more about the new iPhones, but I have little reason to upgrade. My 2019 iMac, M1 MacBook Air, iPad Air 4, and iPhone 11 Pro all have zero issues, are plenty fast enough, and are not worth upgrading at this point.

And, if I'm being honest, I'm with you about losing interest in coming here... all that's in the "New Threads" section is so irrelevant to me. I want to provide valuable contributions to this site, but it seems there's nothing I can talk about, because I'm so disinterested in what's being discussed. I feel as if I'm either not qualified to reply to the threads because they cover a niche subject, or I just don't have any interest.

Anyway, that's just where I am right now. I agree with you 100%.
To a very large extent, increasingly, I find myself in complete agreement with you, and agree on almost everything you have written in this post.

However, I stay because I like some of the people here, and, moreover, I also like some of the threads (coffee, music, etc, among others), and sections of the forum.
 
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rm5

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To a very large extent, increasingly, I find myself in complete agreement with you, and agree on almost everything you have written in this post.

However, I stay because I like some of the people here, and, moreover, I also like some of the threads (coffee, music, etc, among others), and sections of the forum.
I like each and every one of you guys in this thread, and in some of the others. You all are so kind. It's not about that - it's just about my lack of interest in the topics that this site is geared towards, which is Apple and technology.
 
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Scepticalscribe

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I like each and every one of you guys in this thread, and in some of the others.
Likewise.

I enjoy your contributions, and think that I would have enjoyed having you in my classroom, for seminars, lectures and tutorials, too.
You all are so kind.
Thank you.
It's not about that - it's just about my lack of interest in the topics that this site is geared towards, which is Apple and technology.
Oh, I agree, and agree, almost wholeheartedly, at that.

Now, I am interested in technology, - and am interested in learning new things, sometimes, stuff that is far outside my psychological or intellectual comfort zone - and am interested in the effect of tech on our lives and societies, but the finer details (that obsessive passion for arcane tech stuff), doesn't, or don't, really capture my interest.

And, as for Apple itself, I admired (and yes, loved) some of its products, (the MBA of the early years, iPods in any and all of their incarnations), but never bought into the cult mindset that the company encouraged at times.

Moreover, nowadays, I strongly suspect that I am not the market at whom many (if not most) of the current products are aimed; I have no interest whatsoever in iPhones, Watches, or this latest vision thing, and was never a fan of the iPad.

Actually, bring back the iPod, along with nice small iPhones, and a modern stylish, powerful, portable, 11" or 12" MBA, and I shall rest content.

However, this is the very first online community that I joined - now, that was a new world, something of a learning curve and an interesting and largely rewarding experience - and, there are sections of this site that I do enjoy, (coffee? cheese? music?) and people whose company (and online friendship) I have come to value.
 
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