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lol. A few 1000 years out!

The first known library was created by Ashurbanipal, the Assyrian king, between 668 and 631 BCE. The library was located in Nineveh, which is in modern-day Iraq, and contained around 30,000 clay tablets. The tablets were written in cuneiform and organized by subject matter, such as history, government, astronomy, and law. The library also included works of literature, such as the Epic of Gilgamesh.
What a wonderful post.


Should we thank Benjamin Franklin for that or is someone else truly responsible?
Much though I admire (revere, respect?) Benjamin Franklin, and while he may have been responsible for the introduction of this concept in the US, as far as I know, the idea of public libraries (long) pre-dated him.


Yes, I know, but she wrote "public libraries".
Well, Marsh's Library, which dates from 1707, - the glorious building which houses it was completed in 1700 - is Dublin's oldest (extant) public library, and is one of the oldest public libraries - if not the oldest - public library - in (what was then) the UK (and Ireland).
Not everyone is a scholar.
Nor do they have to be.

Moreover, I am not sure whether access to (and use of) the legendary library of Alexandria, or that of Ashurbanipal, was restricted solely to scholars, or government officials.
 
What a wonderful post.



Much though I admire (revere, respect?) Benjamin Franklin, and while he may have been responsible for the introduction of this concept in the US, as far as I know, the idea of public libraries (long) pre-dated him.



Well, Marsh's Library, which dates from 1707, - the glorious building which houses it was completed in 1700 - is Dublin's oldest (extant) public library, and is one of the oldest public libraries - if not the oldest - public library - in (what was then) the UK (and Ireland).

Nor do they have to be.

Moreover, I am not sure whether access to (and use of) the legendary library of Alexandria, or that of Ashurbanipal, was restricted solely to scholars, or government officials.
Thank you. I think it was the thought that the US invented libraries that made me chuckle. I mean they were around before the country even existed.

Sadly libraries are closing all over. At work we support the British Library. A beautiful building and worth the visit if you get a chance.

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Thank you. I think it was the thought that the US invented libraries that made me chuckle. I mean they were around before the country even existed.

Sadly libraries are closing all over. At work we support the British Library. A beautiful building and worth the visit if you get a chance.

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I never posted a thought about libraries just being developed in the United States. Public libraries were a new idea.
 
Thinking about to sell off all my earlier Music/Stereo/Speaker equipments. Havent used it for years, and almost fogot where I stuffed it.
HomePods & mini + some old but very good computer speakers is all I need today for any sound.
My meditation practice have replaced urge for 95% of the music I listened to earlier.
I don't think I have heart to sell of my classical and opera (mostly Maria Callas) collection though - even if I ripped all my music long time ago to digital.
 
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Thank you. I think it was the thought that the US invented libraries that made me chuckle.
Yes, that was my reaction, also.
I mean they were around before the country even existed.
Very much agreed.
Sadly libraries are closing all over.
An absolute tragedy.
At work we support the British Library.
How wonderful - a terrific idea.
A beautiful building and worth the visit if you get a chance.

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Agree completely: Actually, it is quite magnificent, an absolutely spectacularly beautiful and impressive public space.
I never posted a thought about libraries just being developed in the United States.
Okay; perhaps I misunderstood your post.
Public libraries were a new idea.
While Benjamin Franklin may have made this concept - the idea of public libraries - popular in the US, (and is to be applauded if that is true) - the reason I referred to Marsh's Library (also well worth a visit - the building and setting are both beautiful) is that this concept clearly pre-dated Benjamin Franklin, and was also strongly supported - in the planning - by a well known writer (in this instance, Jonathan Swift).
 
All this library talk makes me wonder where our resident retired librarian might be?

Now my 4am alarm call is on my mind. Driving to London for a stock take. Then meeting up with my Dad for an evening out together before heading home Friday.

Guess which part I’m looking forward to and which I’m not!
 
All this library talk makes me wonder where our resident retired librarian might be?

Now my 4am alarm call is on my mind. Driving to London for a stock take. Then meeting up with my Dad for an evening out together before heading home Friday.

Guess which part I’m looking forward to and which I’m not!
I'm here.....and enjoying the discussion about libraries that occurred during my lack of an immediate response. :) Andrew Carnegie is a big name in the establishment of public libraries in the US..... Of course the US did not invent/create libraries, and most literate Americans are more or less aware of that! :)

Unfortunately right now the current scene when it comes to libraries in the US -- especially both school libraries and community public libraries -- is not a happy one. It's a dire situation, actually. Unfortunately I don't think things are going to get better any time soon. Right now there are a lot of negative events occurring in the US vis-a-vis libraries, which unfortunately gets into the political realm in many ways so I'm not going to discuss it here.

The current situation is extremely distressing, though, to me as I have always been an avid reader and throughout my life I have been free to choose whatever fiction or nonfiction item appealed to me.... The books were there on library shelves for me to see and reach out and pluck off the shelves, decide that they looked interesting, and then carry home from the library to delve into.

I can say that from earliest childhood and throughout my entire life, I have loved and appreciated the opportunity to expand my personal horizons and each time learn more about the world around me every time I picked up a book and read it. There was and is an entire world within the pages of each and every book.....

It really wasn't a surprise to anyone that I became a professional librarian when I grew up. I've always been someone who has lovingly and happily shared the experience of books and reading with many people throughout my life and my career as a librarian, hoping to support and/or expand their enjoyment of reading for pleasure and along the way they would maybe also experience the joy of learning new information about themselves and/or the world around themselves.
 
What really irks me is when people confuse time zones, even after I've made it clear twice. I get it, no one is perfect, but this was quite an important Zoom meeting. I said 2:30 PM Mountain Time (this is 4:30 PM Eastern Time for the other person). I made this very clear in my initial correspondence, and then again yesterday. The person emailed at 12:30 asking where I am. I once again indicated Mountain Time. It all got sorted out in the end, but really?
 
The the 12 Days of Christmas
December 14
My dearest darling John:
Who ever in the whole world would dream of getting a real Partridge in a Pear Tree? How can I ever express my pleasure. Thank you a hundred times for thinking of me this way.
My love always, Agnes __

December 15
Dearest John:
Today the postman brought your very sweet gift. Just imagine two turtle doves.
I'm just delighted at your very thoughtful gift. They are just adorable.
All my love, Agnes __

December 16
Dear John:
Oh! Aren't you the extravagant one. Now I must protest. I
don't deserve such generosity, three French hens. They are just darling but I must insist, you've been too kind.
All my love, Agnes __

December 17
Dear John:
Today the postman delivered four calling birds. Now really,
they are beautiful, but don't you think enough is enough. You are being too romantic.
Affectionately, Agnes __

December 18 Dearest John:
What a surprise. Today the postman delivered five golden
rings, one for every finger. You're just impossible, but I love it.
Frankly, all those birds squawking were beginning to get on my nerves.
All my love, Agnes __

December 19
Dear John:
When I opened the door today there were actually six geese
laying on my front steps. So you're back to the birds again huh? These geese are huge. Where will I ever keep them? The neighbours are complaining and I can't sleep through the racket. Please stop.
Cordially, Agnes __

December 20 John:
What's with you and those freaking birds?? Seven swans a swimming. What kind of damn joke is this? There's bird **** all
over the house and they never stop the racket. I can't sleep at night and I'm a nervous wreck. It's not funny. So stop those freaking birds.
Sincerely, Agnes __

December 21
O.K. Buster:
I think I prefer the birds. What the hell am I going to do
with 8 maids a milking? It's not enough with all those birds and 8
maids a milking, but they had to bring their damn cows. There is manure
all over the lawn and I can't move in my own house. Just lay off me, smartass.
Agnes
__
December 22
Hey ********:
What are you? Some kind of sadist? Now there's nine pipers
playing. And Christ do they play. They've never stopped chasing
those maids since they got here yesterday morning. The cows are
getting upset and they're stepping all over those screeching birds.
What am I going to do? The neighbors have started a petition to evict me.
You'll get yours! Agnes __

December 23
You rotten prick:
Now there's ten ladies dancing. I don't know why I call
those sluts ladies. They've been bonking those pipers all night long.
Now the cows can't sleep and they've got diarrhea. My living room is a river of sh*t. The Commissioner of Buildings has subpoenaed me to give cause why the building shouldn't be condemned.
I'm calling the police on you!
Agnes __

December 24
Listen ****head:
What's with those eleven lords a leaping on those maids and
ladies? Some of those broads will never walk again. Those pipers
ran through the maids and have been committing sodomy with the cows.
All twenty-three of the birds are dead. They've been trampled to
death in the orgy. I hope you're satisfied, you rotten vicious swine.
Your sworn enemy, Agnes __

December 25
Dear Sir:
This is to acknowledge your latest gift of twelve fiddlers fiddling which you have seen fit to inflict on our client, Miss Agnes McHolstein. The destruction, of course, was total. All correspondence should
come to our attention. If you should attempt to reach Miss
McHolstein at Happy Dale Sanitarium, the attendants have been instructed to shoot you on sight.
With this letter please find attached a warrant for your arrest.
Cordially,
Law Offices of
Badger, Bender and Chole
 
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Thank you. I think it was the thought that the US invented libraries that made me chuckle. I mean they were around before the country even existed.

Sadly libraries are closing all over. At work we support the British Library. A beautiful building and worth the visit if you get a chance.

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Didn't the actual British Library move out of that space a few decades ago? Certainly the glorious old reading room deserves to hang on to its name, but isn't it an archive for the British Museum these days?

I'm recalling that these days you go to this building if you're going to the British Library;

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What really irks me is when people confuse time zones, even after I've made it clear twice. I get it, no one is perfect, but this was quite an important Zoom meeting. I said 2:30 PM Mountain Time (this is 4:30 PM Eastern Time for the other person). I made this very clear in my initial correspondence, and then again yesterday. The person emailed at 12:30 asking where I am. I once again indicated Mountain Time. It all got sorted out in the end, but really?
Did you make it clear - in writing - what each respective person's time zone would be?

In other words, did you idiot-proof your correspondence on this matter?

When I have a Zoom call with someone from another time zone, I confirm in advance (usually twice) by stating clearly (and requesting confirmation) of which time zone each of us (not just myself) will be on at the time.

Thus, in your case, I would have written - and clarified, and sought confirmation by stating - that the stated time means 2:30 PM Mountain Time for you and 4:30 PM Eastern Time for your interlocutor (although, in general, I tend to use the 24 hour clock when working internationally).
 
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What really irks me is when people confuse time zones, even after I've made it clear twice. I get it, no one is perfect, but this was quite an important Zoom meeting. I said 2:30 PM Mountain Time (this is 4:30 PM Eastern Time for the other person). I made this very clear in my initial correspondence, and then again yesterday. The person emailed at 12:30 asking where I am. I once again indicated Mountain Time. It all got sorted out in the end, but really?

lol.....yes its a problem

For me, the most effective tactic has been to use the other person's time zone when scheduling something. Don't even mention your own time zone.
 
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Did you make it clear - in writing - what each respective person's time zone would be?
The company itself is in Pennsylvania, which is in EST. But I did not want to assume that the person I spoke to was actually in Pennsylvania... maybe on the off-chance that he was actually in California. I had no idea. As it turned out, he actually was in PA, but I didn't want to assume that when I sent my email.
For me, the most effective tactic has been to use the other person's time zone when scheduling something. Don't even mention your own time zone.
I definitely would have done this if I knew for a fact where he was.
 
lol.....yes its a problem

For me, the most effective tactic has been to use the other person's time zone when scheduling something. Don't even mention your own time zone.
Agreed.

This also works well.

Then, use that when arranging and planning the meeting, and factor in your own time zone in your own mental preparations.
 
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This is why I've made my Instagram account private.

I'm on Facebook more for professional reasons.

I've actually scored some nice jobs through Facebook, ....
What on earth does this sentence actually mean?

"Scored some nice jobs"?

This Side of the Pond, the verb and noun "score" both apply almost exclusively to football (soccer): Thus, you score a goal in a football match, or, you check the results later on that evening in order to find out what the final score was when the match was over.

And, of course, there is an even older use of the noun 'score', when it was used to describe a unit which meant a quantity of twenty - as in, a score of eggs.

But, "scored some nice jobs"?


I don't know if they're overrated all the time. Definitely some are though. I'm really trying to grow my friend group OUTSIDE the conservatory. Actually, I should put it this way--I don't have any friends who are NOT musicians. So I'm trying to do that. But then what would we talk about? They aren't musicians. Sports? Don't care about that. Popular TV shows? Also don't care about that.
Well, you are studying in a music school, or conservatory, hence, this is entirely natural.
I am curious to know about people's lives - their education, work, hobbies, etc. That's what I ask people about. If they're musicians, then of course that's a different kind of relationship. But I honestly have NEVER heard ANY group of people in the dining hall, for instance, talk about history - or literature, or chemistry, or any other area of study. Unless they're complaining about their classes. Not to say that that doesn't exist, I've just never witnessed or partaken in it. Music on the other hand is freely and frequently discussed. That's really interesting, I've actually never thought about that.
This is hardly surprising.

Again, you are in an environment that is dedicated to, devoted to, the study of music, and the mastery of all forms of music and musical composition; thus, this is a place where you will encounter people who are defined by their interest in music, are passionate about it, and wish to make it their life and profession.
I really hate the classic "going out with friends thing." THAT is definitely overrated.

I'd much rather just one friend come over and we can watch a movie or something.
My idea of hell is watching a movie - how tedious and what torture - with someone; how utterly unimaginative and uninteresting, banal and boring.

Actually, I don't much care for watching movies, and, if I must watch one, I'd far rather watch it by myself.

If someone comes over, we talk.

Yes, there will be coffee, or wine, or beer, and possibly music in the background, but, above all, there will be conversation, chat, dialogue....an exchange of words - and ideas and thoughts and perspectives.
I'm certainly not one for going to the mall (yes, I know people who do that), or the arcade, or the movie theater, etc. Nor am I one for enormous parties, unless it's with family (we've had some of those).
Fair enough.
Also, my parents have established dozens of friendships through work, which seems like a rarity.
No, it is very normal.

Work offers a world where the people in question will have common ground, common topics, common experiences, and possibly, common interests to discuss when they meet.
It seems to me their coworkers get along so well that they can be actual friends and go out together, etc. My dad's been at the same place for 30 years, and so have some of his colleagues, so I guess that makes sense. Don't know how my mom did it though. Probably mostly luck, to be honest. And the fact that both are extroverted people.
Luck has a lot less to do with this than the fact that a common context - namely work - exists.
 
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Thank god I'm not in Wisconsin right now. Just checked the weather there, and it's -4. The cold will be there to greet me in January though.
My commiserations on the cold.

Personally, I detest, deeply dislike, - actually, loathe - winter.

At least, by January, the days will have begun to lengthen.......
 
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I definitely would have done this if I knew for a fact where he was.

You can always ask.....you knew you weren't in the same time zone as the company, so it's quite reasonable for you to ask when setting up a call. Or since the other person was responding for a company in Pennsylvania, you could have specified "4:30 Pennsylvania time" since a remote worker is likely to know what time it is at their employer's office.

These days a remote worker might be anywhere in the world and might not even realize that "mountain time" is different than where their employer is located
 
My idea of hell is watching a movie - how tedious and what torture - with someone; how utterly unimaginative and uninteresting, banal and boring.
I didn't like watching movies until I had a roommate last year who was a film student. He got me into them.
Well, you are studying in a music school, or conservatory, hence, this is entirely natural.
Yes, although my university is not solely dedicated to this. Actually, it is primarily a liberal arts college, and around a third of its students study in the conservatory.

So yes, within the conservatory, it isn't surprising at all, but outside, there are students in any of various majors.
 
You can always ask.....you knew you weren't in the same time zone as the company, so it's quite reasonable for you to ask when setting up a call. Or since the other person was responding for a company in Pennsylvania, you could have specified "4:30 Pennsylvania time" since a remote worker is likely to know what time it is at their employer's office.

These days a remote worker might be anywhere in the world and might not even realize that "mountain time" is different than where their employer is located
I've been on Zoom calls which involved people from three different time zones (thus, three different countries); that meant knowing - in advance - where (and when) the other individuals were going to be present, and planning accordingly.
 
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I didn't like watching movies until I had a roommate last year who was a film student. He got me into them.

Yes, although my university is not solely dedicated to this. Actually, it is primarily a liberal arts college, and around a third of its students study in the conservatory.

So yes, within the conservatory, it isn't surprising at all, but outside, there are students in any of various majors.
Trust me, the history students will be discussing (and debating) history among themselves.

One of the best things about university is that people choose their fields of study, which generally means (unlike second level school, for example) that they have an interest - sometimes, a considerable interest - in the subject they are studying.
 
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To land a nice job, or get one. Or to have received an offer for a nice job.
Thank you.

In other words, "to obtain", or "to have obtained/received something positive", is what this expression has come to mean in the US.

I must say that I blinked, quite mystified, when I read it, although I inferred that the meaning was supposed to be positive.
 
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Scoring can also have a connotation of illicit or forbidden behavior. For example, "I went to the part of town where the drug dealers hang out to score some coke."

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