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transmaster

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The AWU2 is still the current model so why would you trade it in? I don’t really care about the blood oxygen sensor it just uses power and doesn’t tell me anything useful. That being said if I buy an Ultra 2 I will have the blood oxygen sensor since it’s only disabled in USA.
You are speaking for yourself but not addressing people who have COPD it is very important they keep tabs on their O2 levels. I never smoked so my O2 sat's have only ever been above 95% only reduced because I live at altitude of over 6,000 feet. What will cause me to instantly trade in My AWU2 is a glucometer. Apple will work out the state side O2 problem, knowing Apple they will simply purchase Masimo to end the lawsuit.
 

Jaisah

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You are speaking for yourself but not addressing people who have COPD it is very important they keep tabs on their O2 levels. I never smoked so my O2 sat's have only ever been above 95% only reduced because I live at altitude of over 6,000 feet. What will cause me to instantly trade in My AWU2 is a glucometer. Apple will work out the state side O2 problem, knowing Apple they will simply purchase Masimo to end the lawsuit.
Yes of course I am speaking for myself lol. I know that some people NEED O2 sensors for medical reasons or for going high in the mountains but that's not me so I make my purchasing decisions based on MY needs, not the needs of someone else..... Agreed a blood sugar monitor would be cool but I bet it will be super expensive on the battery, just as the O2 sensor is, hence why I turn it off on my watch.
 

Jaisah

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Is it though?
Yeah it is on the Ultra 1 (I can't speak for the Ultra 2). I have done a bunch of testing using a spreadsheet and different settings. I take a reading of date/time/charge when I take it off charge and then another reading just before I put it on charge and then do some simple maths to determine the approx. %/hour burn and from there I can extrapolate the number of hours that the watch could run for with those settings. There will always be variation so you need to do this many times to get accurate data. I have found that having Blood Oxygen turned on does take off about 1/4-1/2 a day of battery life.

I recently started testing some apps that track battery life and learn your usage patterns to give you an estimate of battery life. It basically does the same thing I was doing with my spreadsheet but it's a lot more accurate. I'm testing "Battery Grapher" which is a very simple UI but it seems to work pretty well and I am also testing "Battery Day" which has a much fancier UI but I'm not sure that it is as smart as Battery Grapher and so far the results aren't as good but I have only been using them for a couple of days and it takes a week or two for it to learn your usage patterns. They both cost a couple of $$ each but I think it's a useful tool and you can put the complication on your watch face that says how many hours of battery life you have left.
 

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Yeah it is on the Ultra 1 (I can't speak for the Ultra 2). I have done a bunch of testing using a spreadsheet and different settings. I take a reading of date/time/charge when I take it off charge and then another reading just before I put it on charge and then do some simple maths to determine the approx. %/hour burn and from there I can extrapolate the number of hours that the watch could run for with those settings. There will always be variation so you need to do this many times to get accurate data. I have found that having Blood Oxygen turned on does take off about 1/4-1/2 a day of battery life.

I recently started testing some apps that track battery life and learn your usage patterns to give you an estimate of battery life. It basically does the same thing I was doing with my spreadsheet but it's a lot more accurate. I'm testing "Battery Grapher" which is a very simple UI but it seems to work pretty well and I am also testing "Battery Day" which has a much fancier UI but I'm not sure that it is as smart as Battery Grapher and so far the results aren't as good but I have only been using them for a couple of days and it takes a week or two for it to learn your usage patterns. They both cost a couple of $$ each but I think it's a useful tool and you can put the complication on your watch face that says how many hours of battery life you have left.
My Apple watch Ultra 2 burns about 1% per hour. I have the AOD active and the blood oxygen active. I don't have cellular set up on it. I get a lot of notifications throughout the day from text, email, all my sports teams, etc. I keep it on the lowest brightness level though because I find that to be more than enough, I'd actually go lower if it let me.

Its light years ahead of my old Apple watch 7 which would down to 20% by dinner time.
 

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Yeah it is on the Ultra 1 (I can't speak for the Ultra 2). I have done a bunch of testing using a spreadsheet and different settings. I take a reading of date/time/charge when I take it off charge and then another reading just before I put it on charge and then do some simple maths to determine the approx. %/hour burn and from there I can extrapolate the number of hours that the watch could run for with those settings. There will always be variation so you need to do this many times to get accurate data. I have found that having Blood Oxygen turned on does take off about 1/4-1/2 a day of battery life.

I recently started testing some apps that track battery life and learn your usage patterns to give you an estimate of battery life. It basically does the same thing I was doing with my spreadsheet but it's a lot more accurate. I'm testing "Battery Grapher" which is a very simple UI but it seems to work pretty well and I am also testing "Battery Day" which has a much fancier UI but I'm not sure that it is as smart as Battery Grapher and so far the results aren't as good but I have only been using them for a couple of days and it takes a week or two for it to learn your usage patterns. They both cost a couple of $$ each but I think it's a useful tool and you can put the complication on your watch face that says how many hours of battery life you have left.
you are overthinking it, the AW is a tool with a battery that will last for a lot of people the lifetime of the tool, but, to each their own ...
My Ultra 2 is on my wrist for ~ 36-38 hrs straight and battery is ~ 40-45% at the end of those 38hrs, and nothing is disabled
 

Jaisah

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Hey guys I just sent feedback to Apple asking them to add in a battery estimate feature into the Apple Watch. This would learn the usage patterns of the user and give a battery life estimate in hours both at current charge level and also an estimate at 100% charge. This is similar to apps like "Battery Day" and "Battery Grapher" and also what Garmin offers. The limitation on those apps that I have discovered (as cool and useful as they are) is that they don't update the battery life estimates when you switch to low power mode. I often use low power mode when I go away on a hike for a couple of days or if I go away travelling etc. I want the estimate to update to reflect my usage when in low power mode and a separate estimate/data set when in full power mode. The data needs to be separated because if it learns my usage while in low power mode then it will give an unrealistic estimate when I am in full power mode and vice versa.

If you don't know what I mean then imagine on your watch face, instead of showing your battery percentage complication, you could have a complication that shows expected run time which is the estimate of how many hours your watch has until dead. This number is based on learned usage patterns so it is quite accurate because it knows that in the afternoon (after work/school) you are more likely to use more battery because of GPS activities or around midday you tend to receive phone calls or whatever your specific usage patterns are. So it will give you a live estimate of the number of hours of battery life you have left and show it on the screen of your watch as a complication. This estimate will also change if you put your watch into low power mode or if you changed settings like making your screen dimmer or turning off blood oxygen monitoring etc. Garmin does exactly this same thing in their watches and it's super helpful to be able to see how many hours/days of battery you have left and tweak settings to squeeze out more life if you don't need specific features.

If everyone sends feedback to Apple asking for this then it is much more likely to happen. Apple's feedback tool generally works on the number of reports or requests that they receive for that topic/item so the more people that write in asking for it, the more chance we have of getting this tool. Power by numbers!!


Post your feedback here or in the Beta Software Program Feedback App (if you are part of the beta program).
 
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DR3MCLAREN

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Hey guys I just sent feedback to Apple asking them to add in a battery estimate feature into the Apple Watch. This would learn the usage patterns of the user and give a battery life estimate in hours both at current charge level and also an estimate at 100% charge. This is similar to apps like "Battery Day" and "Battery Grapher" and also what Garmin offers. The limitation on those apps that I have discovered (as cool and useful as they are) is that they don't update the battery life estimates when you switch to low power mode. I often use low power mode when I go away on a hike for a couple of days or if I go away travelling etc. I want the estimate to update to reflect my usage when in low power mode and a separate estimate/data set when in full power mode. The data needs to be separated because if it learns my usage while in low power mode then it will give an unrealistic estimate when I am in full power mode and vice versa.

If you don't know what I mean then imagine on your watch face, instead of showing your battery percentage complication, you could have a complication that shows expected run time which is the estimate of how many hours your watch has until dead. This number is based on learned usage patterns so it is quite accurate because it knows that in the afternoon (after work/school) you are more likely to use more battery because of GPS activities or around midday you tend to receive phone calls or whatever your specific usage patterns are. So it will give you a live estimate of the number of hours of battery life you have left and show it on the screen of your watch as a complication. This estimate will also change if you put your watch into low power mode or if you changed settings like making your screen dimmer or turning off blood oxygen monitoring etc. Garmin does exactly this same thing in their watches and it's super helpful to be able to see how many hours/days of battery you have left and tweak settings to squeeze out more life if you don't need specific features.

If everyone sends feedback to Apple asking for this then it is much more likely to happen. Apple's feedback tool generally works on the number of reports or requests that they receive for that topic/item so the more people that write in asking for it, the more chance we have of getting this tool. Power by numbers!!


Post your feedback here or in the Beta Software Program Feedback App (if you are part of the beta program).
I highly doubt this will ever happen. Showing a percentage is a far safer bet for Apple to make vs. trying to tell you exactly how much time you have left on your watch. Peoples use varies greatly day to day and there is no way the watch can accurately predict anyones habits in advance with enough accuracy to put a time on battery life. Its far safer bet for them to say there is 56% left and how you use that 56% is up to you. If they start saying you have 17 hours left and then you go out and go for a bike ride / hike, get lost and try to call for help and your battery is dead you're going to blame them and hold them responsible? Good luck with your effort but I really don't see this happening.
 
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You are speaking for yourself but not addressing people who have COPD it is very important they keep tabs on their O2 levels. I never smoked so my O2 sat's have only ever been above 95% only reduced because I live at altitude of over 6,000 feet. What will cause me to instantly trade in My AWU2 is a glucometer. Apple will work out the state side O2 problem, knowing Apple they will simply purchase Masimo to end the lawsuit.
Could it be more obvious he was speaking for himself? Seriously.
 
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Jaisah

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I highly doubt this will ever happen. Showing a percentage is a far safer bet for Apple to make vs. trying to tell you exactly how much time you have left on your watch. Peoples use varies greatly day to day and there is no way the watch can accurately predict anyones habits in advance with enough accuracy to put a time on battery life. Its far safer bet for them to say there is 56% left and how you use that 56% is up to you. If they start saying you have 17 hours left and then you go out and go for a bike ride / hike, get lost and try to call for help and your battery is dead you're going to blame them and hold them responsible? Good luck with your effort but I really don't see this happening.
I don't think it's anywhere near as dramatic as you make it out to be. The estimate is based on your average usage. If you decide to do something that is out of the ordinary for you then of course your battery will respond differently but, for example, if you are the type of person who routinely goes on a 4 hour mountain bike ride in the forest at 2pm on a Sunday, the watch will know this because it has learned your routine and it will give battery life estimates accordingly. I also thought that the complication that it shows on the screen could be similar to the temperature complication in that it shows the current estimate and also a high and low estimate based on your max and min usage scenarios. So it might say 17 hours as the estimate but it says 5 hours as the low (if you start GPS and keep it on until it's dead) and 27 hours as the high if you were to have a rest day and just sit on the couch. I think this could be incredibly useful and cool to have. Not to mention Garmin (and I'm assuming other brands have it too) already shows battery life measured as time so why couldn't we also have this on Apple Watch Ultra?
 

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I don't think it's anywhere near as dramatic as you make it out to be. The estimate is based on your average usage. If you decide to do something that is out of the ordinary for you then of course your battery will respond differently but, for example, if you are the type of person who routinely goes on a 4 hour mountain bike ride in the forest at 2pm on a Sunday, the watch will know this because it has learned your routine and it will give battery life estimates accordingly. I also thought that the complication that it shows on the screen could be similar to the temperature complication in that it shows the current estimate and also a high and low estimate based on your max and min usage scenarios. So it might say 17 hours as the estimate but it says 5 hours as the low (if you start GPS and keep it on until it's dead) and 27 hours as the high if you were to have a rest day and just sit on the couch. I think this could be incredibly useful and cool to have. Not to mention Garmin (and I'm assuming other brands have it too) already shows battery life measured as time so why couldn't we also have this on Apple Watch Ultra?
I think I'd rather have a specific percentage shown instead of a gauge showing my battery will last somewhere between 5 and 27 hours. If i wake up and my watch shows 50% I know my watch well enough to know what I can do on 50%. If I wake up and it says its going to last 5 to 27 hours I'm going to throw it on the charger because how can I know what to expect.

This all sounds like a fun idea for a third party app, but not like something Apple would build into the software. Maybe I'm wrong but i doubt it.
 

Jaisah

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I think I'd rather have a specific percentage shown instead of a gauge showing my battery will last somewhere between 5 and 27 hours. If i wake up and my watch shows 50% I know my watch well enough to know what I can do on 50%. If I wake up and it says its going to last 5 to 27 hours I'm going to throw it on the charger because how can I know what to expect.

This all sounds like a fun idea for a third party app, but not like something Apple would build into the software. Maybe I'm wrong but i doubt it.
You're being overly difficult lol. If you have 50% charge, you know that you can go about 27 hours (ignore the number it's just an example) right? But you also know that if you are planning to go on a 6 hour hike, you should probably charge it since you will only get maybe 8 hours of GPS activity at 50% and you also know that if you go for say a 1 hour bike ride then you can probably get like 20 hours (19 hours of normal use and 1 hour of GPS activity). To summarise those numbers Low=8 hours, Mid=20 hours, high=27 hours. So you are ALREADY doing this calculation in your head about the approximate battery life and how your battery demands change based on what you are planning to do that day. So why is it so confusing for you to have an estimate that also gives you an upper and lower bound? It's literally exactly the same as what you are doing in your head. Also for those people that aren't as nerdy about their battery life, they don't want to have to do this mental maths about how much time they have left before they need to charge so they might enjoy having remaining battery life in hours displayed instead of a %. AND I'm not saying that the % should go away, just that we have to option to either use % or hours or both.
 
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