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When do you think Mac OS Big Sur will be released?
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Software Update does give you the "full" installation file (the same as if it came from the App Store)...at least it did for me. It put the installer in my Applications folder. I could install it from there, or create a bootable USB if I wanted to.
Secondly, it is in the App Store - it may not show at the top of the search results. Or check this article to get a link to Big Sur in the App Store: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201475.
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Just installed from the Appstore full installer, and the build number did not change (20B28). Maybe its not worth it?
Yikes, that's strange! Even forcing an update from the command-line claims that there are no new updates.
I downloaded the full final installer, and did the usual thing. I am on a 2017 Macbook 10,1 i7 16gb.
Which machine you on?
I am on a
Darwin XXX.fritz.box 20.1.0 Darwin Kernel Version 20.1.0: Sat Oct 31 00:07:11 PDT 2020; root:xnu-7195.50.7~2/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64
Looks like the same version, different build number. No idea what happened.
Thanks for that link. And yes, it does take me to the spot in the Apple Store to download the full installer.
I am going to wait until at least version 11.1.x comes out. Hopefully by then, most of my remaining third party applications will be compatible with Big Sur, so that I can run some useful tests.
Looks like next year will be MacOS 12, since MacOS 11.1 beta has come out today.....
So, they have adopted the iOS style of versioning.
I made an folder in my external storage drive and copied the Big Sur installer to it. I have every OS X and macOS since Mavericks on it.
Smart. I actually have such a folder for Catalina and Big Sur, both on my internal SSDs and my backups. But of course, at this point the Big Sur folder is empty. Way too early to test Big Sur, as obviously it contains a number of bugs (just like other prior versions of the Mac OS, including Catalina).
I also have a similar folder entitled "Useful Applications", and it contains versions of a number of applications I use.
Actually in my case, It runs really good, in fact it runs a little speedy. I have late 2019 27" iMac with 64 GB RAM. it is really sporadic with issues regarding this current release across the board. I am not even going to speculate the reasons. I have theories, but I keep to myself. The only thing I don't like is the login wallpaper. I think Apple got a earful from a lot of users, they should used the scenic Big Sur Wallpaper like the previous operating systems and broke tradition.
Thanks for that report. Both of my Macs have 8 gig of Ram (a late 2018 Mac Mini, and an early 2017 Mac Book Air). The mini has a 256 gig SSD (only using about 80 gig on it), and the Air has a 252 gig SSD (again only using about 80 gig). I always make the necessary preparations before initially downloading each new OS for testing, but due to the lack of full third party software compatibility (still have 5 critical programs which need upgrades), along with the initial versions of the new OS always containing bugs), I always wait until after the second release of the new Mac OS comes out.
Also, I of course expect Big Sur to be faster on the Mini than the Air, but given that I use my mini over 90% of the time (not doing any traveling these days), that's fine.
That's another thing, When you buy Macs with minimum RAM, that's where you have the issue. Back in 2014, I bought a late 2013 MBP with 16 GB RAM. I just knew unless you are doing minimum tasking, I guess is fine. Now I have a 27" iMac with 64 GB RAM. The only task is video editing. It's when you get ready to get your finished product rendered for copying to a DVD. Everyone have different missions.
Yes, well stated! I do not do much in terms of "intense" processing. Just about all of it is checking EMails, browsing the internet, posting transactions in Quicken, and designing some simple spreadsheets in LibreOffice. Also, I tend to run only 1 application at a time (like now, I am only using Brave, nothing else).
Hence, 8 gig of Ram is easily enough for me. Plus I have a lot of free space on both of my internal SSDs.
Finally, I make a concentrated effort to keep both of my Macs "lean, mean, and clean". That also goes a long, long way towards me having hardly any issues at all.
In my case, I have MS office 2019 Home and Business (includes Outlook), & Quicken 2020. I use iMovie which good enough for me. I don't need Final Cut Pro, I can't see spending $300.00. I use Onyx, for regular Mac maintenance, I have to wait for the Big Sur version to do any maintenance, and lastly Carbon Copy Cloner (it's Free) to do backup cloning, waiting for next version to make it bootable, in a emergency.
I had a serious issue with Outlook 2016 a few yers ago, and that is when I switched to Thunderbird. Works very well for me. Also, I use LibreOffice, and again that easily satisfies my needs. Plus, it has the highest number of formats it both accepts and can save files as.
I see where Carbon Copy Cloner does have a beta version for use with Big Sur, but that is way too risky for me. I use SuperDuper!, and David Nanian at Shirt Pocket Software refuses to release a beta version for use with Big Sur. That's a wise move. And yes I rely on Onyx also, and am waiting for a version that is compatible with Big Sur.
That leaves Thunderbird, and Tech Tool Pro. If the past is any indication, Tech Tool Pro will be the last one to have a version compatible with Big Sur. That's fine with me, as 1) Catalina is plenty stable enough )latest version, OS 10.15.7), and 2) by the time such a compatible version is released (probably in January), Big Sur will have matured by then, most likely at its third major release.
I ma planning on testing a version of Big Sur "soon", on a separate external SSD. Most likely (and if the pst is any indication) will be after V11.2.x is released. Again, I am in big rush.
Currently Carbon Copy Cloner only copies the Data Volume of Big Sur. If you want to make a bootable clone you need to --
- make a minimal install of Big Sur on a volume. This gives you a bootable install of Big Sur.
- use the latest CCC to clone from your working data volume to the backup data volume. This gives you a working volume as the system volume is the same on both volumes.
Onyx I am very comfortable with. A lot safer than CleanmyMac X. I already have a anti-malware ClamAvX which is very simple but effective. And Carbon Copy Cloner I am very comfortable with. They are getting ready to release hopefully this week. BTW, in Onyx, I'm going to a look at changing the login wallpaper, if it too involved, I won't. Apple did get a lot of negative reviews on that awful login wallpaper.
CCC is suppose to release their new version this week, I asked CCC, they said it is very smooth, they're beta. They said, when you install the new one, just re-direct your source and destination on the main volumes in the current task, and it will make it bootable.
Actually, all this release stuff is still somewhat up in the air, as Apple released a beta update! I thought we were beyond betas at this point:
www.macrumors.com
Also, this just re-illustrate what I have been saying all along, that the first few versions of a Mac OS always contain bugs.
And this also just makes me more comfortable that Dave Nanian at Shirt Pocket Software has not (and will most likely not) release a beta version of SuperDuper! that would be current with Big Sur.
Apple Seeds First Beta of Upcoming macOS Big Sur 11.1 Update to Developers
Apple today seeded the first beta of an upcoming macOS Big Sur 11.1 update to developers for testing purposes, with the beta coming five days after...
www.macrumors.com
Also, this just re-illustrate what I have been saying all along, that the first few versions of a Mac OS always contain bugs.
And this also just makes me more comfortable that Dave Nanian at Shirt Pocket Software has not (and will most likely not) release a beta version of SuperDuper! that would be current with Big Sur.
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Yeah, Onyx is excellent! Been using it for a number of years. Not yet compatible with Big Sur, but no problemo. (Onyx and Tech Tool Pro are a winning combination, along with SuperDuper!). I can wait. I am also a ClamXAv user, and would not be without it. Like you, I am very pleased with SuperDuper!. I don't mind waiting, however, until they release a fully compatible version for Big Sur. I prefer (and will not mess with beta versions) stable versions of any of my critical software.
So, to repeat, here are the 5 critical programs that I am waiting on for Big Sur compatibility:
Onyx
SuperDuper!
LibreOffice
Thunderbird
Tech Tool Pro
I already know that 1Password and AppCleaner are compatible. The folks over at DEVONTechnologies stated to me that EasyFind is compatible, and the developers of ClamXAv told me the same thing. I am just hoping that 3 of them on my list above are compatible by the time the next "major" version of Big Sur, V11.2.x, arrives, so that I can download it, install it on my new external Samsung 1 TB T7 SSD, and do some testing.