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jrswizzle

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One of the better posts ive seen on these forums. Android has made many advancements that get labelled as gimmicks but if it were Apple releasing these features it all be the next best thing.

I love how most of the hardcore Android fans here know EXACTLY what iOS fans are thinking......and somehow we're all the same.

This subforum has turned into thread after thread bashing the iPhone and iOS....there isn't any intelligent discussion for those of us who have both and like both. Who want to see both improve.....you either love the iPhone or you think its a dumbphone - there's no in between.

Time to give this subforum up I guess......shame. I wonder if we can start a "no-sides" subforum....
 

torana355

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It depends on your personal criteria for phone features. For example, the iPhone still has the best screen in terms of power efficiency, brightness, low reflectance and true color rendition. Only the S4 is finally approaching it.


What..... The HTC One screen is better in most of those areas. The S4 screen is garbage when it comes to color rendition.
 

torana355

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I love how most of the hardcore Android fans here know EXACTLY what iOS fans are thinking......and somehow we're all the same.

This subforum has turned into thread after thread bashing the iPhone and iOS....there isn't any intelligent discussion for those of us who have both and like both. Who want to see both improve.....you either love the iPhone or you think its a dumbphone - there's no in between.

Time to give this subforum up I guess......shame. I wonder if we can start a "no-sides" subforum....

Ohhh pleaaaseee. I have a bloody iPhone and have used one since the original and for a long time iOS was clearly the best operating system, But i know when a product is falling behind the competition and the iPhone has been doing just that since Jellybean was released for Android. Sure there are preferences but when it comes down to the OS's actual ability, Android is winning that battle hands down. The amount of simple tasks that i cant do on iOS is just plain silly for an OS that is meant to "just work"....When i can set default apps and share content ect via any app i will reconsider an iPhone.
 
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MRU

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+1 And for all the naysayers out there who can't wake up, we feel sorry for you. iOS is the proverbial dumbphone now, and we all know it. iOS has 0 advantages over Android as Couch points out. Google has been way more innovative in recent years, and IO goes to show with their brand new products and even surprising the world with the announcement of the GS4 Nexus. Apple really has no excuses now, they've been beaten at every level.

Your posts just stand as embarrassment to everyone on this forum regardless of their bias. An immaturity shines from every syllable.

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Just to set the record straight, I don't share the exact views of Appletoandroid. He also misquoted me and made a claim for me that I did not make.

:)

Exactly. Having him +1 a post is not a flattering experience.
 

Peterg2

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Jan 28, 2008
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I love how most of the hardcore Android fans here know EXACTLY what iOS fans are thinking......and somehow we're all the same.

This subforum has turned into thread after thread bashing the iPhone and iOS....there isn't any intelligent discussion for those of us who have both and like both. Who want to see both improve.....you either love the iPhone or you think its a dumbphone - there's no in between.

Time to give this subforum up I guess......shame. I wonder if we can start a "no-sides" subforum....

It really has gone to hell. I said this before and I will say it again, we need another subforum for "X OS vs Y OS", "Apple is dead, Samsung rules" or "A phone vs B phone". I actually find myself reading the HTC One forums and the Samsung S4 forums on xda-developers more these days. In these sub-forums, there is way less trolling (believe it or not) and fanboyism.
 

sentinelsx

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Feb 28, 2011
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I say again, for all those people who keep talking about "preference being the most important thing," you're sure not appreciating what Android allows. It's precisely the freedom to prefer whatever you want.

I think many here have actually used android handsets and not just "played" with them only. It is silly to brand them as "apple loyalists" if the android OS couldn't offer what they wanted and iOS offers what they want. Preference or not, at the end of the day i am free to choose what i want to choose and many here have chosen android or iOS out of their free will and some even use both daily, so i don'y get how they cannot "appreciate" android.

Freedom is great, but there are cookie-cutter "freedoms" in the android world from my perspective. It is no where near like windows. I cannot buy a device from an OEM i like, and load up an OS i like. I can do it on a PC. I cannot do it as well on android devices. Buggy custom ports, locked bootloaders, bloated ROMs etc etc are the norm.

Hell google itself loves to tease many of us. Some of us have fallen in love with stock android, but need certain features from our smartphones. It is not the smartphones dictating our needs. It is US. I want a better camera and i don't want google or an OEM to direct me what to buy. But google says "here, you want stock android? well throw away the rest of your needs". For example, what was really stopping google from releasing a re-branded optimus G as a nexus runnning stock back in 2012? Now that they have taken all the pain to give a samsung "nexus S4", what prompted them to take away things like a halfway decent camera, a decent 32GB of storage, a 2013 data technology called LTE from the optimus and instead hand me a stripped down device?

What some people don't get is some of us buy our phones after evaluating WHAT WE NEED/WANT, NOT THE OEMs. If someone says "oh, Apple meets all of what i want", how are they not appreciating android?
 

mib1800

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Well I can't help but point out something glaringly obvious here. This paragraph of yours is simply an 'opinion' of yours. That's great we all have opinion's but you are passing this opinion of as 'fact'. Its not though is it? You don't have to accept my opinion that all operating systems have their flaws, but I can't agree that Android is more capable in all area's because I'm an Android user too. I enjoy the experience of both OS's and know from personal experience that they both have strengths and weaknesses from a 'subjective' point of view. I don't quite understand your last sentence so all I can say is never assume.

so which of the following is not fact?
-android has real multi tasking whereas ios doesn't due to Apple deliberately disabled it.
-android exposes file system to users whereas ios has none.
-android allows full capabilities of connectivity like bt, usb wifi etc but iOS imposes restrictions.
-android allows full customization incl. launchers, default app replacement etc
- and so on and on and I am too lazy to list further.

I think you're trying to muddle the issue by hiding obvious facts as opinion and making opinion as more valid than facts.
 

thehustleman

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Jan 3, 2013
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Nope.

My comments about iOS are for people to wake up to the realities of its shortcoming. A reality people deny, refuse, and ignore at the expense of the iOS experience. It's no skin off my back except for the fact that iOS won't change the way I'm hoping it will.

I am criticizing iOS as a fan of Apple -- I'd argue as a real fan, even. Fans should be the first to criticize. I do it all the time with Google. Look at the "Google I/O" thread I created; pages upon pages of us discussing Android's own shortcomings and hopes for its future.

Am I out there actively telling people to switch to Androids? No. I genuinely don't care. Only when asked what I'd recommend do I suggest an Android, but I'm not trying to get people to switch. Though there doesn't seem to be any shortage of straw man arguments and red herrings to suggest otherwise.

Contrary to popular belief, I don't have a major brand loyalty. I'm just using what's the better -- or more mature -- operating system at this given moment. And if anything, really, I am an Apple fan more than I am a Google fan, considering what I own around the house.

But if you criticize apple you simply cannot be a fan! #logiconhere

Personally I understand your position, in the android forums I talk about how Android needs to improve.

Truth is I love Android but it could be better, I love apple and own a bunch of their products, but some of them could be better. Both sides need some new
 

sentinelsx

macrumors 68010
Feb 28, 2011
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so which of the following is not fact?
-android has real multi tasking whereas ios doesn't due to Apple deliberately disabled it.
-android exposes file system to users whereas ios has none.
-android allows full capabilities of connectivity like bt, usb wifi etc but iOS imposes restrictions.
-android allows full customization incl. launchers, default app replacement etc
- and so on and on and I am too lazy to list further.

I think you're trying to muddle the issue by hiding obvious facts as opinion and making opinion as more valid than facts.

iOS does have a filesystem, no one sees it though unless they jailbreak.

I use my iPhone like a PC nowadays because i can move around files using a file manager and copy stuff to and from my PC using drag and drop.

Android does it without hacking though and feels a little more "fluid process".

I am almost on the fence again to switch to an android after another exclusive full month with the iPhone, problem is i am worried about all the cool stuff coming in fall (iOS, Nexus, Moto phones, note 3 etc etc) and don't want to buy something late in its cycle.
 

zbarvian

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Jul 23, 2011
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so which of the following is not fact?
-android has real multi tasking whereas ios doesn't due to Apple deliberately disabled it.
-android exposes file system to users whereas ios has none.
-android allows full capabilities of connectivity like bt, usb wifi etc but iOS imposes restrictions.
-android allows full customization incl. launchers, default app replacement etc
- and so on and on and I am too lazy to list further.

I think you're trying to muddle the issue by hiding obvious facts as opinion and making opinion as more valid than facts.

Please give me an actual example why "real-multitasking" is better than saving a state and only running certain services. I have never encountered a problem with Apple's method, and if it's saving me battery then it's superior.
 

fatboyslim

macrumors newbie
May 15, 2013
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Ohhh pleaaaseee. I have a bloody iPhone and have used one since the original and for a long time iOS was clearly the best operating system, But i know when a product is falling behind the competition and the iPhone has been doing just that since Jellybean was released for Android. Sure there are preferences but when it comes down to the OS's actual ability, Android is winning that battle hands down. The amount of simple tasks that i cant do on iOS is just plain silly for an OS that is meant to "just work"....When i can set default apps and share content ect via any app i will reconsider an iPhone.

oh boy. Winning what battle? Are we in civil war?
 

thehustleman

macrumors 65816
Jan 3, 2013
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Please give me an actual example why "real-multitasking" is better than saving a state and only running certain services. I have never encountered a problem with Apple's method, and if it's saving me battery then it's superior.

It's annoying to have to wait for an app to reload when you switch back to it from doing something else.

Meanwhile with Android, you switch back and it's already there with no load time.

I had this discussion with someone before so please some try to say the iphone doesn't do it. I posted a video before to prove my point and can again
 

jrswizzle

macrumors 603
Aug 23, 2012
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Ohhh pleaaaseee. I have a bloody iPhone and have used one since the original and for a long time iOS was clearly the best operating system, But i know when a product is falling behind the competition and the iPhone has been doing just that since Jellybean was released for Android. Sure there are preferences but when it comes down to the OS's actual ability, Android is winning that battle hands down. The amount of simple tasks that i cant do on iOS is just plain silly for an OS that is meant to "just work"....When i can set default apps and share content ect via any app i will reconsider an iPhone.

Good for you, have fun with your choices.....

Just don't insult mine.

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It's annoying to have to wait for an app to reload when you switch back to it from doing something else.

Meanwhile with Android, you switch back and it's already there with no load time.

I had this discussion with someone before so please some try to say the iphone doesn't do it. I posted a video before to prove my point and can again

I've tested this and you don't have to wait hardly at all.....if you look at what makes up the Geekbench benchmarks, you'll see Apple does a MUCH better job (through software optimization) at memory (RAM) efficiency than really any other phone out there.

You don't have to "re-load" the entire App of page, it just picks up where you left off. iOS saves that app in a certain state where you can load from later. It may not allow for things to run in the background like crazy, but I actually prefer that way.....

This is about as overblown as "lag" in Android.
 
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zbarvian

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It's annoying to have to wait for an app to reload when you switch back to it from doing something else.

Meanwhile with Android, you switch back and it's already there with no load time.

I had this discussion with someone before so please some try to say the iphone doesn't do it. I posted a video before to prove my point and can again

There's absolutely no lag-time on my iPhone. It's there immediately.
 

torana355

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Dec 8, 2009
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Good for you, have fun with your choices.....

Just don't insult mine.

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I didn't insult your choice, i just pointed out that alot of people that prefer Android were once big iPhone users that got sick of not being able to do simple things like set default apps ect. Im all for iOS improving, i really hope Apple hit it out of the ballpark with iOS 7 but as it stands Android is the more functional OS.
 

jrswizzle

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Aug 23, 2012
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There's absolutely no lag-time on my iPhone. It's there immediately.

I'm pretty sure I was the one who had this discussion with him before....I wouldn't bother.....

People who make over reaching generalizations like that don't tend to care about details....especially when those details or facts get in the way of their agenda.

I tested out his claims and found no lag time when switching between apps - and I would go right back to where I was in the app I was using previously. I just don't have time to post videos at work.

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I didn't insult your choice, i just pointed out that alot of people that prefer Android were once big iPhone users that got sick of not being able to do simple things like set default apps ect. Im all for iOS improving, i really hope Apple hit it out of the ballpark with iOS 7 but as it stands Android is the more functional OS.

More functional FOR YOU.....

I don't understand why people don't get this. There isn't a list of 20 different features/things all with the same weight of importance behind them. People have pro/con lists weighted differently. The fact that you can change default apps might be important to you, but for those of us who don't care, the function of surfing the web remains completely the same.

You're confusing choice with function. I may not be able to "switch the default", but I can still achieve the same end result "browsing the web". Some of us care more about fluidity and efficiency than having those options. Especially when the overall end use/functions can still be attained.
 

The-Real-Deal82

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Jan 17, 2013
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so which of the following is not fact?
-android has real multi tasking whereas ios doesn't due to Apple deliberately disabled it.
-android exposes file system to users whereas ios has none.
-android allows full capabilities of connectivity like bt, usb wifi etc but iOS imposes restrictions.
-android allows full customization incl. launchers, default app replacement etc
- and so on and on and I am too lazy to list further.

I think you're trying to muddle the issue by hiding obvious facts as opinion and making opinion as more valid than facts.

Cherry picking a handful of features Android has but iOS doesn't proves what exactly? My point is both OS's have their flaws, but you are trying to play one off against the other to suggest one doesn't. What is the point? I get the impression you just want me to falsely admit I prefer Android because I can't possibly have chosen iOS with a sane mind! Come on now, my opinion differs and it is possible to like both operating systems but at present prefer one over the other. My choice was iOS and I couldn't care less if that offends you or not quite frankly. Cheerio.

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Please give me an actual example why "real-multitasking" is better than saving a state and only running certain services. I have never encountered a problem with Apple's method, and if it's saving me battery then it's superior.
I've never had a problem with Apples method either and rarely need to multi task on a mobile device anyway. What could I possibly need to do at the same time as something else? I'm all ears people.
 

jrswizzle

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Aug 23, 2012
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so which of the following is not fact?
-android has real multi tasking whereas ios doesn't due to Apple deliberately disabled it.

I haven't seen you define true-multitasking yet....I can easily switch between apps and be right where I left off. No lag times and the only loading that takes place is updating to show newer information - the speed of which is dependent on your network connection.

The fact that iOS doesn't let programs run rampant in the background is actually a FEATURE for me.

-android exposes file system to users whereas ios has none.

Benefit to end-user? I can just as easily manage files in iOS, just without having system files exposed. What is the purpose of this/end result for the user? I get you would like to be able to mess with this, but most of us couldn't care less.

-android allows full capabilities of connectivity like bt, usb wifi etc but iOS imposes restrictions.

Such as? Being able to connect a BT mouse? Being able to plug in a flash drive? Oh ya, I'm so upset I have to wirelessly transfer files through any number of apps/services. And I'd much rather set my iPhone/iPad down and use a mouse to navigate.....much easier than using my finger.....


-android allows full customization incl. launchers, default app replacement etc

Again, what ebenfit does this give the user as far as function goes other than letting you change things......I can still open apps, browse the web etc without having to change a launcher or default app.

All these things do is allow customization - which might be great but really doesn't affect function. In fact, I find I waste more time messing with things than actually being more productive.

- and so on and on and I am too lazy to list further.

I think you're trying to muddle the issue by hiding obvious facts as opinion and making opinion as more valid than facts.

Point being - these things are all preferences - nice to have but ultimately, what do they offer as far as end function/use? If you can change the default browser and I can't, all that means is that you can change the default browser and I can't. I can still surf the web and use any number of browsers......

Customization doesn't mean added function. There might be some instances where it does, but overall I can do most everything on my iPhone (as far as end tasks) that I can on my HTC One or Nexus 4.

That being said, I hope Apple adds a number of new features and tweaks in iOS 7. Just saying that the list you mentioned only adds more customization - not really any function (and could take away depending on a user's preferences).
 

torana355

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I'm pretty sure I was the one who had this discussion with him before....I wouldn't bother.....


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More functional FOR YOU.....

I don't understand why people don't get this. There isn't a list of 20 different features/things all with the same weight of importance behind them. People have pro/con lists weighted differently. The fact that you can change default apps might be important to you, but for those of us who don't care, the function of surfing the web remains completely the same.

You're confusing choice with function. I may not be able to "switch the default", but I can still achieve the same end result "browsing the web". Some of us care more about fluidity and efficiency than having those options. Especially when the overall end use/functions can still be attained.

Yeah but Android also has the same fluidity these days, my point is there are very little downsides to Android with Jellybean, you get all the perks of the customization and setting default apps ect aswell as the fluidity and smoothness that only iOS once had, its the best of both worlds.
 

jrswizzle

macrumors 603
Aug 23, 2012
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I've never had a problem with Apples method either and rarely need to multi task on a mobile device anyway. What could I possibly need to do at the same time as something else? I'm all ears people.

The only thing related to MT that I'd like to see is more devs follow HBO and add support for AirPlay multitasking. Obviously the software and hardware is there to do it - HBO and others let you stream to AppleTV and use the device at the same time, more devs need to follow suit....

At least the ones who have apps that stream video content =P

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Yeah but Android also has the same fluidity these days, my point is there are very little downsides to Android with Jellybean, you get all the perks of the customization and setting default apps ect aswell as the fluidity and smoothness that only iOS once had, its the best of both worlds.

Depends - I would agree my HTC One is as smooth as my iPhone 5 - hence why I've ranked it my number one smartphone (with the iP5 number 2).

The N4 is a great smartphone as well, but does suffer from occasional (and relatively consistent) lag. And I've spent quite a bit of time setting each device up whereas my iPhone 5 came out of the box, loaded up my iCloud backup and was ready to go.

I'm not against customization - I just don't see that it necessarily adds to the overall function of the device if you don't care. And there are other things outside of the OS itself (app ecosystem, build materials and quality, hardware, customer service) that go into my purchases as well.

As I stated, each person has their own ranked list of features and wants. Being able to change the default browser on my N4 didn't outrank the subpar (compared to the iP5) display quality. Just an example.
 

torana355

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As I stated, each person has their own ranked list of features and wants. Being able to change the default browser on my N4 didn't outrank the subpar (compared to the iP5) display quality. Just an example.

I know your just trying to make an example but i must say the Nexus 4's screen is actually really good apart from the poor calibration out of the box, once calibrated (need to be rooted and custom kernel) it matches the iP5's screen in every area, only the HTC One has a better screen imo. Furthermore i have a Nexus 4 and i would like to know where this lag is??? Mine is butter smooth throughout the entire OS compared to the iP5 i have sitting next to it right now ;)
 
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Night Spring

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Jul 17, 2008
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It's annoying to have to wait for an app to reload when you switch back to it from doing something else.

Meanwhile with Android, you switch back and it's already there with no load time.

I don't notice much lag on my iPhone or iPad 3 when switching to an suspended app. On the iPad mini, there is sometimes a slight lag. However, suspending apps instead of letting them run in the background do save battery. For some people, making sure that their phone's battery lasts all day might be more important than having to wait slightly longer when switching between apps.

Now I'm sure someone will jump in and tell us that this behavior is customizable in Android -- if you want your battery to last all day, then there is a switch in settings somewhere that you flip to stop apps from running in the background. But unless that switch is set to off by default, the regular user like my Mom, or that friend who never even updates any of their apps, won't ever discover it, just think, "oh this phone has short battery life," and just deal with it, or get another phone.

So Apple makes the decision for the user to prioritize battery life over a few seconds wait, and yes, it's Apple's way or the highway, and many power users don't like that. So to them, Android is the better OS. For people like my Mom, I can just hand them an iOS device, and it pretty much just works. I jailbreak my iDevices whenever a jailbreak is avaiable, and tinker to my heart's content, but it's just so much easier to support iOS. Okay, it may not have all the most advanced features that Android has -- in terms of features, I admit, Android has more, does more. But as I keep saying, more isn't always better.
 

jrswizzle

macrumors 603
Aug 23, 2012
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I don't notice much lag on my iPhone or iPad 3 when switching to an suspended app. On the iPad mini, there is sometimes a slight lag. However, suspending apps instead of letting them run in the background do save battery. For some people, making sure that their phone's battery lasts all day might be more important than having to wait slightly longer when switching between apps.

Now I'm sure someone will jump in and tell us that this behavior is customizable in Android -- if you want your battery to last all day, then there is a switch in settings somewhere that you flip to stop apps from running in the background. But unless that switch is set to off by default, the regular user like my Mom, or that friend who never even updates any of their apps, won't ever discover it, just think, "oh this phone has short battery life," and just deal with it, or get another phone.

So Apple makes the decision for the user to prioritize battery life over a few seconds wait, and yes, it's Apple's way or the highway, and many power users don't like that. So to them, Android is the better OS. For people like my Mom, I can just hand them an iOS device, and it pretty much just works. I jailbreak my iDevices whenever a jailbreak is avaiable, and tinker to my heart's content, but it's just so much easier to support iOS. Okay, it may not have all the most advanced features that Android has -- in terms of features, I admit, Android has more, does more. But as I keep saying, more isn't always better.

The mini has an older processor so the lag time would be understandable.

However, on my iP5 the only thing I wait on is for new content to load - say if I'm switching back to facebook its as if I pulled down to load new content. The switch happens instantly.

If the "time" he's referring to is the load time for updated content, that's entirely dependent on network speed....and the benefit of having something like facebook update content while I'm not even looking at it at the expense of battery life and bandwidth just doesn't seem like a good trade-off AT ALL.
 

thehustleman

macrumors 65816
Jan 3, 2013
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Good for you, have fun with your choices.....

Just don't insult mine.

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I've tested this and you don't have to wait hardly at all.....if you look at what makes up the Geekbench benchmarks, you'll see Apple does a MUCH better job (through software optimization) at memory (RAM) efficiency than really any other phone out there.

You don't have to "re-load" the entire App of page, it just picks up where you left off. iOS saves that app in a certain state where you can load from later. It may not allow for things to run in the background like crazy, but I actually prefer that way.....

This is about as overblown as "lag" in Android.

Not true, I've proven this before. I will again if I must
 
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