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When I think about it, the iPhone isn't a top 10 smartphone

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torana355

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AutoUnion39 said:
Valid point. I've had both and the G has a better calibrated display by far. However, too bad they both exhibited poor RF and battery life. I actually liked the LG overlay
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I get 2 days standby and around 5 hours SOT on my N4, i would not consider that poor? Also i get just as good a signal (in Db) at my house which is a poor reception area as my iPhone or S4, if anything its slightly better.

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appletoandroid said:
Ok, no more iOS and Android comparisons from me. But this statement is entirely false. Touchwiz has way more features than stock android, thus making it way more capable and better than stock.
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It also makes it way more laggy, Both Sense and TW add extra bloat to Vanilla Android, you cant get a smother experience then pure android, this is just fact. This is the main reason most android fans are excited about the S4 Google Edition among other reasons ;)
 
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sentinelsx

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torana355 said:
I get 2 days standby and around 5 hours SOT on my N4, i would not consider that poor? Also i get just as good a signal (in Db) at my house which is a poor reception area as my iPhone or S4, if anything its slightly better.

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It also makes it way more laggy, Both Sense and TW add extra bloat to Vanilla Android, you cant get a smother experience then pure android, this is just fact. This is the main reason most android fans are excited about the S4 Google Edition among other reasons ;)
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In the one's defense everytime I play with a one I am amazed at how smooth the new sense 5 is. It is impossible for me to notice a difference between htc one and n4.
 
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torana355 said:
Look im also running Nova and i must say i have none of the issues you are having with lag or responsiveness, (perhaps you have a bad unit?), ive used the HTC One and find it less fluid due to Sense slowing things down. You will find the Nexus 4 is actually is smoothest Android experience you can get till the S4 Google edition hits the streets ;)
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Funny. I have had the completely opposite experience. I find sense extremely minimalist and the Ones hardware runs everything perfectly with zero hiccups.

For what it's worth I do like the Nexus 4 a ton. I plan on selling it for the Google GS4....while its a plenty nice and smooth phone, it does suffer from lag spurts every now and again.

I don't think I have a faulty unit....it's not like its terribly laggy....just slightly delayed in some actions.
 
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sentinelsx

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torana355 said:
The HTC One has a faster Cpu and should be clearly faster, running pure Android on that same hardware would be amazing.
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Yes but the fact that sense 5 is so minimalist and also very light plays a role too.

Htc threw away all those silly animations, UI effects for optimal speed.

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jrswizzle said:
Funny. I have had the completely opposite experience. I find sense extremely minimalist and the Ones hardware runs everything perfectly with zero hiccups.

For what it's worth I do like the Nexus 4 a ton. I plan on selling it for the Google GS4....while its a plenty nice and smooth phone, it does suffer from lag spurts every now and again.

I don't think I have a faulty unit....it's not like its terribly laggy....just slightly delayed in some actions.
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I would say the delay in n4 is probably stemming from thermal throttling.

After all, a $300 phone will eventually act like a $300 device only.
 
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aneftp

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So if iPhone is so bad. Not even in the top 10 (I have owned all the super android devices, windows phones, blackberries etc).

So if iPhone is not in android's class. Why are big time apps for the mainstream available on iOS first?

If android passed iOS back in 2011. Why are apps. Like CBS, watch ABC in real time, Disney channel, and especially games developed for iOS first?

Compare the iPhones camera to the other cameras. I'd take the iPhone 5's over all of them except the new S4. But the new iPhone 2013 model will still be better than the 2012 model.

iPhone 5 is very fast. Just go to YouTube and watch basically web browsing speeds.

Screen quality is top notch. There are trade offs once you start having to deal with screens greater than 4.3 inches (that's my opinion. I found the 4.3 inch lumia 900 to be the perfect size along with the 4.3 inch S2....still easily pocketable with one hand use).

As for file system. I am fine with using goodreader app for my PDF, word, Excel management. I don't know the big deal about file management when everything is moving to the cloud these days. U can pick and choose ur cloud management app.

Battery life is excellent. Heavy user. I can make it to 6-7pm easily after a 12 hour day. 6-7 hours of real use. Besides the Note 2 and the RAZR maxx series. All the other android devices have so so battery life. My nexus 4, gnex had bad battery life unless I made some sacrifices. S3 battery life was ok. Slightly worse than the iPhone 5. My htc 8x windows phone battery sucked. While the lumia 900 battery was way better than the 920.

Buy what u like. There are choices. But to say the iPhone 5 is not top 10 is like saying diego maradona isn't one of the top 10 soccer/futbol players of all time or Wilt Chamberlaim isn't one of the top 10 NBA basketball players of all time.

The OP is smoking something buy making this blanket statement.
 
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torana355

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jrswizzle said:
Funny. I have had the completely opposite experience. I find sense extremely minimalist and the Ones hardware runs everything perfectly with zero hiccups.

For what it's worth I do like the Nexus 4 a ton. I plan on selling it for the Google GS4....while its a plenty nice and smooth phone, it does suffer from lag spurts every now and again.

I don't think I have a faulty unit....it's not like its terribly laggy....just slightly delayed in some actions.
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Sense is a skin, as minimalist as it may be (its much better then TW) it still adds bloat on top of the Pure android base and slows it down. The One does have a faster cpu then the N4 so it would make up for some of the shortcomings of Sense but running pure android on that hardware would be better again. I still think you need to do a factory reset on your N4 as it has more then enough cpu power to run buttery smooth. Mine runs smoother then the HTC One by a considerable margin. ;)

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sentinelsx said:
Yes but the fact that sense 5 is so minimalist and also very light plays a role too.

Htc threw away all those silly animations, UI effects for optimal speed.

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I would say the delay in n4 is probably stemming from thermal throttling.

After all, a $300 phone will eventually act like a $300 device only.
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Don't get me wrong the latest version of Sense is really good and alot of the bloat has been removed but it is still a skin and is going to be slower then pure android. The N4 does not thermal throttle under normal conditions, i run mine overclocked and it does not hit thermal throttle... Mine does not get above 55 degrees Celsius and TT cuts in at 65.
 
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TommyA6

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thehustleman said:
When switching to an app, ios has to load it, and that load lag is why multitasking is broken
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Well, this guy has at least 20 apps open, so it is normal it has to reload considering RAM is full.
The other thing. This is an iPod touch which has 2011 internals (A5 chip, and 512 RAM) so it will reload much more than an iPhone 5 with 1 gb of RAM. Really, this video proves nothing, I mean, really, opening every possible app, and than complain it has to reload them when put in background.
 
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Night Spring

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thehustleman said:
When switching to an app, ios has to load it, and that load lag is why multitasking is broken
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You open an app, switch to another app, but I didn't see you go back to the original app.

Just because an app is in the task switcher doesn't mean it is running suspended in the background, the iOS task switcher is just a list of recently run apps. So yes, sometimes when you start an app from the task switcher, it has to reload because it is starting again from scratch.

In order to prove a lag, you have to start an app, then load another app, then go back to the first app.
 
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thehustleman said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iM53ak5bSE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
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I must have missed your initial point, which was I assume from the video that apps have to go through a process of loading for 2 or 3 seconds each time? Do apps and web browsers no longer load on Android then? They did on my S3 last September which is why I'm a little confused here. Not that loading something is that inconvenient of course. Perhaps that is why I've not really thought about it before. If they take a few seconds to load and don't crash like on my previous OS or suggest you send error reports I'm happy. One app I found incredibly unstable on android was Facebook. That would often take ages to load and would without warning return you to the home screen. Since then I have heard FB has worked closer with Google to solve such issues.

Thanks for sharing anyway, even if the point was rather lost on me.
 
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cynics

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Night Spring said:
You open an app, switch to another app, but I didn't see you go back to the original app.

Just because an app is in the task switcher doesn't mean it is running suspended in the background, the iOS task switcher is just a list of recently run apps. So yes, sometimes when you start an app from the task switcher, it has to reload because it is starting again from scratch.

In order to prove a lag, you have to start an app, then load another app, then go back to the first app.
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In the multitasking tray in iOS the app should be suspended and retained in RAM until that RAM is needed for other apps.

That's why when you close an app in the multitasking tray and reopen it it will always reload. You can use an app like "memory free" to watch task drop out of RAM as you kill them.
 
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Night Spring

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cynics said:
In the multitasking tray in iOS the app should be suspended and retained in RAM until that RAM is needed for other apps.
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Yes, but when an app is closed because other apps need the RAM, it isn't removed from the multitasking tray, it stays in there. There is no way to tell by looking at the multitask tray which apps are suspended in the background and which ones have been closed and will need to load from scratch.
 
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zbarvian

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Night Spring said:
Yes, but when an app is closed because other apps need the RAM, it isn't removed from the multitasking tray, it stays in there. There is no way to tell by looking at the multitask tray which apps are suspended in the background and which ones have been closed and will need to load from scratch.
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Does that really matter? It's a list of recent apps, it's far better to display it like that rather than a list of suspended apps.
 
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Night Spring

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zbarvian said:
Does that really matter? It's a list of recent apps, it's far better to display it like that rather than a list of suspended apps.
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It matters in relation to the earlier linked video that purports to prove that iOS apps "lag" when switching. That video didn't prove anything, because all it did was start some apps from the multitask tray. Because of the ambiguous nature of the multitask tray, we don't know what state the apps were in to begin with.
 
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thehustleman

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Funny, most people don't list the Xperia Z.
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No one knows about it.

Sony does a piss poor job of actually letting people know they make phones.


Sprint doesn't have any, Verizon doesn't have any, T-Mobile doesn't have any, does AT&T?

Also what does the new xperia do that isn't able to be done on another Android?
 
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aneftp

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sentinelsx said:
Yes but the fact that sense 5 is so minimalist and also very light plays a role too.

Htc threw away all those silly animations, UI effects for optimal speed.

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I would say the delay in n4 is probably stemming from thermal throttling.

After all, a $300 phone will eventually act like a $300 device only.
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The nexus 4 costs to make about $250 just to build. It has high end specs quad core/2GB RAM, HD IPD 4.7 inch screen (for its release date 11/2012). We do not know the relationship and any kickbacks google is offering LG.

Remember the nexus one, nexus S, Galaxy Nexus all "retailed for $550-600" when they were released. Only after 6 months of the Galaxy nexus did Google reduce the price of
The galaxy nexus to $399 than $349 in the play store.

Google doesn't know what they are doing. They may have set a bad precedent by pricing a high end device at $350. U never want to be the low cost leader in the tech world. It devalues the product and consumers will want more "value"

There is no reason a pure google nexus 4 is $299/349 msrp while the same exact phone the Optimus G made by LG with same processor. Same screen. Same ram (camera a $10-15 part is different) along with micoSD slot. No way the cost difference is $150-200 between those two phones.
 
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Throw Out

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thehustleman said:
No one knows about it.

Sony does a piss poor job of actually letting people know they make phones.


Sprint doesn't have any, Verizon doesn't have any, T-Mobile doesn't have any, does AT&T?

Also what does the new xperia do that isn't able to be done on another Android?
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Well, I've seen people list the Nexus 4, Lumia 920, HTC One X?
The Xperia Z is clearly a much better phone.
 
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