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When is the new Mac mini Haswell coming out?

osx11 said:
Let's see, I have the money and need for a $4,000 Mac Pro........wait, what's this.........a Mac Mini..........nevermind about the Mac Pro......I'll get the Mini instead......:D
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If you are solely using it for graphics, then there is no comparison - obviously. But for CPU intensive tasks, building a farm, etc... comparing the $3K Mac Pro and the mini ...

http://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench2/search?dir=desc&q=mac+mini&sort=score

4-core late 2013 Mac Pro - http://www.primatelabs.com/images/blog/2013/mac-pro-estimate-2013-2012-mc-thumb.png

Again, I didn't say a significant hit - only that not a SINGLE sale of a Mac Pro will be lost to a mini - based on the timing of the release of both systems. So I stand by my "January at the absolute earliest" timing.
 
RedRaven571 said:
LOL, a round, black mini would look like a hockey puck, or an overcooked hamburger.....
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… and?

The current MacPro looks like a suitcase. The iPad and all tablets looks like Speak n' Spell. The moon looks like cheese. Electricity looks invisible.

The point of a computer is use. Anyone needing a useful computer used to put the ugliest, beige boxes on their desktops and under their tables. Offices looked like storage rooms. I'd rather have a hockey puck that does the job. Hockey is good.
 
Lesser Evets said:
… and?

The current MacPro looks like a suitcase. The iPad and all tablets looks like Speak n' Spell. The moon looks like cheese. Electricity looks invisible.

The point of a computer is use. Anyone needing a useful computer used to put the ugliest, beige boxes on their desktops and under their tables. Offices looked like storage rooms. I'd rather have a hockey puck that does the job. Hockey is good.
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*sigh* Folks on this forum are so something, I was making a joke but....

Yeah, you're right, the point of a computer is use and, lately, in their zeal to make
laptop computers (and even desktop all-in-ones) wafer thin and tower computers look like Darth Vader's trash can, Apple makes me wonder what they consider to be more important. So, why not the NHL edition Mac Mini, which is hermetically sealed so no one can ever get inside without it spontaneously combusting....

I usually don't even look in the mini forum but I was curious if they are still user upgradable, considering maybe a mini and nice monitor to replace my aging iMac.....
 
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RedRaven571 said:
... considering maybe a mini and nice monitor to replace my aging iMac.....
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I'm there too, but to replace my aging MacPro 1,1.

I was ready to hit BUY on an iMac when I realized I could do the display and a mini for about the same price. Since displays last a lot longer than computers I could upgrade separately. I never understood the all in one concept (as a consumer, I understand completely why the manufacturer likes them).

But now I'm waiting for a refreshed mini and researching displays. There are a lot of alternatives to the Apple display, so I'll keep doing homework in anticipation of a new mini.
 
A MacMini with high-end rMBP configuration would be nice... quad i7, SSD, soldered RAM (not really nice) and a Geforce gpu.
 
So do you think the new update will get leaked to the blog websites first or will we just be surprised? Also will Apple hold a news media event for the new iMac Mini or will it just come out by surprise?

I want to just order it now but it's like the iPad, I'd never get the 4 if I knew the 5 was just around the corner, should I feel the same for Mini? When was the current Mini released? Has it been over a yr?
 
fredr500 said:
I never understood the all in one concept (as a consumer, I understand completely why the manufacturer likes them).
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My wife really liked the iMac, no clutter, wires, etc.; everything, well, all-in-one.

Except, now, if you want an ODD, it's no longer all in one; coupled with that you can't even upgrade the RAM in the 21.5" model!

So, I was thinking a little Mac Mini, with an external superdrive and a 27" monitor would be nice; especially if you can still upgrade the RAM yourself (and maybe the HDD).....
 
MrGuder said:
Do you think apple realizes people are ordering the lowest ram and then upgrading themselves so apple is losing money? So they will change the next model?

If that happens will we be able to order the 2012 or will it go off the website the minute the new one is announced?
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You'd be surprised at how many people either A) Don't care how much ram they have or B) Just pay a little extra so they don't have to worry about it later on.

These two groups make up the vast majority of purchasers.
 
RedRaven571 said:
*sigh* Folks on this forum are so something, I was making a joke but....
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You are on this forum, too. Join the collective vibe!

.. I was making a joke too. Yeah--yeah, that's it.

Whenever Apple redesigns the shape of computers, the first reaction is vocal and negative. I remember when the gumdrop iMacs and lady-purse iBooks emerged in 1999. People screamed. People laughed. People hated and foamed… and then everyone purchased them because they worked well for what they were intended to do.

I'm not sure there is any way to "user upgrade" the minis. They're locked in. You can do the RAM and the drives. Anything else will require soldering a lot of tiny connections, possibly killing more than you are correcting. Macs are becoming more-and-more sealed and less customizable. I have no problem with it, if the central Apple device is inexpensive.

If you get a mini and use the iMac as a monitor, it is always a benefit to have a secondary, older Mac around as a back-up/support machine. I always keep the last Mac to be an emergency helper if restoring a crashed main drive. I'm not sure if you can use the iMac as a monitor and use the HD with the mini through ethernet.
 
Lesser Evets said:
I'm not sure there is any way to "user upgrade" the minis. They're locked in. You can do the RAM and the drives.
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Pretty much all I would be interested in; the current 21.5" iMac permits neither, with relative ease.....



Lesser Evets said:
If you get a mini and use the iMac as a monitor
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While that's a thought, I was actually thinking of a mini and a large (27" or better) monitor. As fredr500 mentioned, the cost of the mini and a [non-Apple] monitor would come in the same, or less, than the iMac and still allow the end user to update RAM/HDD.
 
RedRaven571 said:
While that's a thought, I was actually thinking of a mini and a large (27" or better) monitor. As fredr500 mentioned, the cost of the mini and a [non-Apple] monitor would come in the same, or less, than the iMac and still allow the end user to update RAM/HDD.
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This is a very good option!

A new and refreshed mini Mac (with Iris graphics and PCI-e SSD) with a good (non-APPLE) monitor will let you upgrade RAM+SSD and still the cost will remain lower than of a BTO 21.5'' iMac....

Of course, a BTO 21.5'' iMac (with dGPU and desktop processor) is performing better than an "about the same" configuration Mac mini....however, Mac Mini is a more "value for money" unit.

PS: Actually, a nice 24'' IPS Monitor 1920X1200 res. with High Dynamic contrast, DP/HDMI/DVI + USB 2.0 or 3.0 ports is very welcome, too! (in other threads, I've recommended several 24'' IPS Monitors apart from DELL). ;)
 
RedRaven571 said:
My wife really liked the iMac, no clutter, wires, etc.; everything, well, all-in-one.

Except, now, if you want an ODD, it's no longer all in one; coupled with that you can't even upgrade the RAM in the 21.5" model!

So, I was thinking a little Mac Mini, with an external superdrive and a 27" monitor would be nice; especially if you can still upgrade the RAM yourself (and maybe the HDD).....
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Agreed. It's a sin you can not upgrade the RAM on the 21.5", all for Ive to get his jollies over having a THIN desktop. :mad:

It boggles the mind.
 
ioannis2005gr said:
This is a very good option!

A new and refreshed mini Mac (with Iris graphics and PCI-e SSD) with a good (non-APPLE) monitor will let you upgrade RAM+SSD and still the cost will remain lower than of a BTO 21.5'' iMac....

Of course, a BTO 21.5'' iMac (with dGPU and desktop processor) is performing better than an "about the same" configuration Mac mini....however, Mac Mini is a more "value for money" unit.

PS: Actually, a nice 24'' IPS Monitor 1920X1200 res. with High Dynamic contrast, DP/HDMI/DVI + USB 2.0 or 3.0 ports is very welcome, too! (in other threads, I've recommended several 24'' IPS Monitors apart from DELL). ;)
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Actually that is false. Aside than the default entry level mini. The mac mini is faster in the default configuration. Even with haswell. The only imac that is faster is the BTO i7 models.
 
ioannis2005gr said:
Let me check...

In my opinion, an 21.5'' iMac BTO (dGPU+i5) is performing better than an existing Mac Mini (HD4000+mobile i7 !!!)...

check this: ;)

http://browser.primatelabs.com/mac-benchmarks
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I did "check this". Every i7 mini 2.6 and 2.3 save for the entry level mini out performs every non i7 imac. The 2.6 mini outperforms every i5 imac and the 2.3 does also except for the top level 27 3.4 i5.

What am i supposed to see here? You said outperforms, that is overall. Those single core tests are not a good gauge of overall responsiveness or overall power. The only test that matters here is the multicore test which indicates overall system CPU power.

That is like saying some runners are really good at the beginning of a race, but cannot keep up with the more powerfull runners when the race gets faster. They still lose the race.

Yes the imac GPU is quicker. But you said that the i5 imacs were quicker, and that is still false my friend, judging from the the same link you posted. But since you said that is your opinion you are certainly entitled to it. Just doesn't make it true.
 
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iamthedudeman said:
I did "check this". Every mini save for the entry level mini out performs every non i7 imac. What am i supposed to see here? You said outperforms, that is overall.

Yes the imac GPU is quicker. But you said that the i5 imacs were quicker, and that is still false my friend, judging from the the same link you posted. But since you said that is your opinion you are certainly entitled to it. Just doesn't make it true.
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Mac Mini 2012 BTO i7 is outperforming only 2013 21.5'' iMac i5+Iris Pro (base model)...nothing else! Did you find anything else? http://browser.primatelabs.com/mac-benchmarks
 
ioannis2005gr said:
Mac Mini 2012 BTO i7 is outperforming only 2013 21.5'' iMac i5+Iris Pro (base model)...nothing else! Did you find anything else? http://browser.primatelabs.com/mac-benchmarks
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Are you serious? You are looking at only the single core tests.

Look at the top of the page. There are four tests. 32 single core, 32 multi-core, 64 single core, 64 multi-core.

Multi-core is the only one that shows overall system power.

http://browser.primatelabs.com/mac-benchmarks
 
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ioannis2005gr said:
Let me check...

In my opinion, an 21.5'' iMac BTO (dGPU+i5) is performing better than an existing Mac Mini (HD4000+mobile i7 !!!)...

check this: ;)

http://browser.primatelabs.com/mac-benchmarks
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No, not really.

i5 2.9 GHz (i5-4570S Haswell)
---> Average CPU Mark (@ the moment): 6673
http://cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-4570S+@+2.90GHz

i7 2.6 GHz (i7-3720QM Ivy Bridge)
---> Average CPU Mark (@ the moment): 8355
http://cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-3720QM+@+2.60GHz

If you use CPU intensive applications, buy the Mac mini, or wait for the Haswell Mac mini, with a 2nd generation integrated USB 3.0 controller (the 1st was in Ivy Bridge) and other enhancements (TB2, 802.11ac, et cetera).
 
iamthedudeman said:
Are you serious? You are looking at only the single core tests.

Look at the top of the page. There are four tests. 32 single core, 32 multi-core, 64 single core, 64 multi-core. Multi-core is the only one that shows overall system power.

http://browser.primatelabs.com/mac-benchmarks
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Correct. The 64-Bit multi-core benchmark shows a real world scenario, where modern 64-Bit applications use more than one processor core (Adobe & Avid products, for example or the x264 video encoder (via HandBrake)).
 
paulrbeers said:
False. The iMac 21" does not have soldered memory. The memory is still in banks, but the problem is that the memory isn't readily available (you have to remove the screen), but you can still upgrade it yourself. The 2005-2009 Mini's had the same problem. You had to completely tear apart the entire computer in order to upgrade the memory, but you could still upgrade it yourself.

No Apple desktop currently being made (that includes the iMac's that were just refreshed at the end of 2012 and the new Mac pro coming out in December) have soldered memory. Only the notebooks do.
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Right.That was the Cpu but i still hope Apple loses this new glue and seal attitude.

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brdeveloper said:
A MacMini with high-end rMBP configuration would be nice... quad i7, SSD, soldered RAM (not really nice) and a Geforce gpu.
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Instead next mini will have just soldered Ram,no DGpu anymore i fear.
 
Mr. Retrofire said:
Correct. The 64-Bit multi-core benchmark shows a real world scenario, where modern 64-Bit applications use more than one processor core (Adobe & Avid products, for example or the x264 video encoder (via HandBrake)).
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I understand....

I always believe that a fresh Mac Mini BTO i7 with PCI-e SSD, Wi-Fi ac and possibly USB3.1 & TB2.0/DP2.0 is the BEST "value for money"!

You can combine it with your own (non-APPLE) 24'' IPS Monitor 1920X1200 res with DP/DVI/HDMI/USB ports and high contrast ratio...and you are done!

It will cost you less than an average 21.5'' BTO i7 iMac! Do you agree? ;)

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iamthedudeman said:
Are you serious? You are looking at only the single core tests.

Look at the top of the page. There are four tests. 32 single core, 32 multi-core, 64 single core, 64 multi-core.

Multi-core is the only one that shows overall system power.

http://browser.primatelabs.com/mac-benchmarks
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Thanks for the explanation....
 
If I were Apple, and they might just do this, I would release the new Mini with the new TBD. Makes perfect sense. In fact I'm going to write a thread predicting it.:D
 
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