When might the nvidia web driver for Mojave drop?

[goMac]

Wait until more is known about MacPro7,1. This may sort itself out by then, or after this supposed AMD exclusive contract ends in December 2018. Might all be damage control until then. Will wait and see, but will need answers and clarity on direction for MP7,1 if I’m going to be a supporter/purchaser.

People waiting on some exclusivity contract to end are going to be disappointed.

Apple doesn’t like Nvidia. That’s why they don’t include them on Macs anymore. I’m not sure what people are expecting to change about that just because some theoretical contract might expire.

It wasn’t like AMD fooled Apple into this or something.

 

[p11hlf]

Thanks for the update

 

[saulinpa]

Remember this no longer about supporting the cMP. It is about eGPU support. Apple is selling AMD hardware and preventing you from attaching Nvidia hardware.

If this goes on much longer I expect a class action lawsuit.

 

[DearthnVader]

announcement
About Mojave Drivers :

Developers using Macs with NVIDIA graphics cards are reporting that after upgrading from 10.13 to 10.14 (Mojave) they are experiencing rendering regressions and slow performance.

Apple fully controls drivers for Mac OS. Unfortunately, NVIDIA currently cannot release a driver unless it is approved by Apple.

Our hardware works on OS 10.13 which supports up to (and including) Pascal.

Apple has published a help topic that includes a list of supported hardware for OS 10.14 Mojave. They suggest directing additional inquiries here.

Sincerely,
The Team at Nvidia


https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/.../faq-about-macos-10-14-mojave-nvidia-drivers/

Apple seems to have nVidia on a merry go round.

 

[startergo]

760 need web driver? I think 760 also has OOTB support in macOS, isn't it?

And my main reason to go Mojave and RX580 is because it gives me HEVC hardware decode.

Do you still have HEVC hardware decoding in 14.1?

 

[h9826790]

Do you still have HEVC hardware decoding in 14.1?

Didn’t try 10.14.1 + kext replacement (from 10.14.0) yet.

I only tested the 10.14.1 beta, and none of them has HEVC hardware decoding for RX580. So, I stay at 10.14.0, didn’t update. 10.14.0 is a very stable release anyway. No rush for me.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

Remember this no longer about supporting the cMP. It is about eGPU support. Apple is selling AMD hardware and preventing you from attaching Nvidia hardware.

If this goes on much longer I expect a class action lawsuit.

Ha no.

Nvidia’s web drivers are perpetual beta for 9/10 series, not officially supported, no 10 bit output, don’t support Metal’s full set of features.

When Nvidia produces proper drivers that solve these problems then that can be given a green light. Without fixing these problems they create too many support issues for Mac users. Apple should not be flooded with bug reports because of Nvidia.

 

[Abiyork]

Sorry to ask a really basic question.

I have the NVIDIA error message on my late 2013 IMAC since the Mojave update. I am a photographer who spends 99% of my Imac time within Lightroom and Photoshop.

Whilst not ideal having the error pop up, will this effect the day-to-day running of my machine?

Thanks in advance for any replied.

 

[bsbeamer]

Sorry to ask a really basic question.

I have the NVIDIA error message on my late 2013 IMAC since the Mojave update. I am a photographer who spends 99% of my Imac time within Lightroom and Photoshop.

Whilst not ideal having the error pop up, will this effect the day-to-day running of my machine?

Thanks in advance for any replied.

iMac without eGPU? If so, may be best to just uninstall the NVIDIA web drivers. If you don't want to do that, disable the tool at startup. In system (check user too) /Library/LaunchAgents remove (or move elsewhere) com.nvidia.CUDASoftwareUpdate.plist and com.nvidia.nvagent.plist. In /Library/LaunchDaemons remove (or move elsewhere) com.nvidia.cuda.launcher.plist, com.nvidia.cudad.plist, and com.nvidia.nvroothelper.plist. Should stop the popups.

 

[Abiyork]

iMac without eGPU? If so, may be best to just uninstall the NVIDIA web drivers. If you don't want to do that, disable the tool at startup. In system (check user too) /Library/LaunchAgents remove (or move elsewhere) com.nvidia.CUDASoftwareUpdate.plist and com.nvidia.nvagent.plist. In /Library/LaunchDaemons remove (or move elsewhere) com.nvidia.cuda.launcher.plist, com.nvidia.cudad.plist, and com.nvidia.nvroothelper.plist. Should stop the popups.

Sorry I'm a complete novice with what these drivers are actually doing?

You're saying stop the popups? I'm wondering whether the lack of these drivers is restricting my iMac

(Sorry realise I've come into the Macpro forum)

 

[bsbeamer]

Sorry I'm a complete novice with what these drivers are actually doing?

You're saying stop the popups? I'm wondering whether the lack of these drivers is restricting my iMac

(Sorry realise I've come into the Macpro forum)

Yes, this is Mac Pro forum. May have better luck in iMac forum...

That being said, you likely have a variation of GT 750M built in. This is basically the same NVIDIA GPU included in MacBookPro11,3. Drivers for this GPU are built into the OS and NVIDIA Web Drivers are not REQUIRED for operation. The NVIDIA Web Drivers were only installed for CUDA support (and better performance)... but since you're on Mojave, you basically NEED to use the built-in OS drivers (provided by Apple). CUDA is not supported in Mojave.

The NVIDIA Web Drivers (and maybe CUDA) installed on your machine do not work in Mojave. You can and likely should uninstall them, or downgrade to High Sierra.

 

[h9826790]

Sorry to ask a really basic question.

I have the NVIDIA error message on my late 2013 IMAC since the Mojave update. I am a photographer who spends 99% of my Imac time within Lightroom and Photoshop.

Whilst not ideal having the error pop up, will this effect the day-to-day running of my machine?

Thanks in advance for any replied.

Don’t worry, if you don’t know how to remove all those Nvidia drivers can you can keep it there. They won’t work, but won’t affect anything as well. PS and LR will work. Those Nvidia driver is optional, not a requirement, and not necessary better than the build in Apple driver.

 

[lclev]

You mean High Sierra 10.13.6 build 17G3025?

I think the web driver is released already.

https://images.nvidia.com/mac/pkg/387/WebDriver-387.10.10.10.40.108.pkg

Thanks! I missed that driver. It works perfect with High Sierra.

Lisa

 

[bsbeamer]

Thanks! I missed that driver. It works perfect with High Sierra.

Lisa

The latest driver is not in the updater source code. Would suggest holding onto the .pkg installer, just in case.

The “other” .108 driver also works with latest build of High Sierra.

 

[lclev]

I have two startup drives currently on my cMP. One has High Sierra and the other has Mojave. I installed the driver ( the one ending in .108 ) on my High Sierra drive and it is working fine. I will definitely hang onto the installer pkg.

To run Mojave I have to use my GTX780 with the native Apple drivers. Until a new driver comes out I will be using my High Sierra drive.

 

[entzoe05]

As with every major macOS update I want to do a clean install. But this time when I start installation from a bootable USB drive I will eventually get the message:

"Installing macOS Mojave on this Mac requires that all graphic cards have Metal support and that FileVault is disabled.
Visit https://support.apple.com/kb/HT208898 to learn more about the installation requirements for this Mac."

This is a Mid 2010 Mac Pro 5,1 with a flashed GTX 980 Ti.

All the dialog box offers is to Quit. No way to even get further into the installation.

What's there to do? Install macOS 10.13.x and then upgrade to 10.14? What other options are there?View attachment 790516

I have the same machine as yours but a non flashed GTX 980 TI. Luckily, I still have my old and reliable GT120. While on Sierra and GTX 980 TI is installed, i was able to get pass thru that image, I wasn't able to take a screen shot, but it says, after it shutdown, you need to press the power button until you hear a long beep sound and installation went smoothly. BUT, my screen went black. I thought something went wrong with the installation. I removed my GTX 980 TI and replace with GT120 and I have my MacOS Mojave and a NON-Working GTX 980 TI! LMFAO We need drivers please!!!!

User experience? a bit sluggish....

 

[rafarataneneces]

I don't understand why it's so difficult/complicated to have an updated NVIDIA Web Driver for MAC. Seems like 6+ months is the average waiting time now.
Awful.

 

[Asgorath]

I don't understand why it's so difficult/complicated to have an updated NVIDIA Web Driver for MAC. Seems like 6+ months is the average waiting time now.
Awful.

I think the answer is pretty obvious: Apple doesn't want NVIDIA to release a web driver for Mojave.

NVIDIA has always required private versions of frameworks and KEXTs to build their drivers (i.e. non-public headers). My theory (and yes, this is purely speculation on my part) is that Apple simply hasn't given NVIDIA the necessary pieces for them to produce a web driver for 10.14. Without those private headers, there's really nothing NVIDIA can do. NVIDIA is very clearly indicating that Apple is a major part of the roadblock here, though the wording of their statements seems intentionally vague.

Given the fact the Turing cards have a ROM that gives them boot screens on cMPs, I think it's pretty clear that NVIDIA would've liked to release a driver for 10.14. I think it's a reasonable assumption that they'd like to support Volta and Turing cards, along with eGPU, and so on. However, at the end of the day, if Apple doesn't want them to, then there's really nothing NVIDIA can do. As I said in my FAQ thread, I'm not suggesting NVIDIA is totally blameless here, but I do think that Apple is playing a huge role in the fact that there isn't a web driver for Mojave.

My theories might be off the mark, but I think the central point is the same no matter what. Apple holds all the cards here, and if they don't want NVIDIA to release a driver, then it won't happen.

 

[startergo]

My speculation based on how Apple handles cMP support is that they "sort of" support cMP due to the lack of mMP yet, but they would like to keep them crippled (like no boot screen). NVIDIA can provide boot screen and modern GPU for the cMP, which would kill part of the demand for the mMP should (if) it comes out on the market.

 

[goMac]

My speculation based on how Apple handles cMP support is that they "sort of" support cMP due to the lack of mMP yet, but they would like to keep them crippled (like no boot screen). NVIDIA can provide boot screen and modern GPU for the cMP, which would kill part of the demand for the mMP should (if) it comes out on the market.

As someone who has a 5,1, even if I had boot screens it would still be hard to hold out on upgrading. The 5,1 is so dated it’s a struggle just to not give up on it for so many other reasons.

I think it just comes down to money. Anything Apple invests in the 5,1 almost completely loses them money. They want to keep people happy, but they don’t want to pay a bunch of engineers to support a nearly 10 year old machine.

Nvidia is more complicated than that, in since Nvidia could be used for eGPU across the whole line.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

Just throw that cMP in the trash guys unless your can't at the moment afford to buy anything better. Even a six core mid range laptop has much better performance in single and multi threads and easier to upgrade with eGPU, thunderbolt RAID etc.

 

[Flint Ironstag]

Just throw that cMP in the trash guys unless your can't at the moment afford to buy anything better. Even a six core mid range laptop has much better performance in single and multi threads and easier to upgrade with eGPU, thunderbolt RAID etc.

This drivel again. A laptop with eGPU isn't a solution for many people - what if your workflow requires MacOS and GPUs running at full speed? That eGPU isn't looking so hot now. As for Thunderbolt RAID, that's a solution looking for a problem the cMP doesn't have.

All the knowledge these threads generate is a wonderful thing; to come in here and crap the thread by telling people to throw away their machines is counterproductive. We get that CPU performance has improved.

 

[goMac]

This drivel again. A laptop with eGPU isn't a solution for many people - what if your workflow requires MacOS and GPUs running at full speed? That eGPU isn't looking so hot now. As for Thunderbolt RAID, that's a solution looking for a problem the cMP doesn't have.

All the knowledge these threads generate is a wonderful thing; to come in here and crap the thread by telling people to throw away their machines is counterproductive. We get that CPU performance has improved.

Again, as someone with a Mac Pro 5,1, eGPU is seriously tempting.

I don’t have to deal with the power supply issues on a 5,1, and I’d have a modern CPU to stream data to the GPU. All at a minimal hit to bandwidth. And the increased bandwidth in streaming data from the faster CPU would likely make up for that hit. I could add a Vega 64 to a MacBook Pro without having to do anything crazy like rewire my power supply.

The only reason I haven’t done that and dumped my 5,1 is a) multiple internal SSDs and b) no eGPU support for Boot Camp.

My laptop already has a far faster CPU than my Mac Pro so it’s not like my Mac Pro is at all faster except for the GPU at this point. And my MacBook Pro doesn’t have all the odd quirks my Mac Pro has developed.

The moment the 7,1 is released I’m either buying one or switching to Windows. There is no universe where having Nvidia drivers would make me hold on to my 5,1. It’s ancient and outdated.

 

[Flint Ironstag]

goMac, you have the option of a PCIe expansion chassis - they work in Windows and MacOS at full speed. But yes, I feel your need to upgrade. Also best to benchmark your apps on eGPU - sometimes the performance hit can vary from none to massive.

I'm curious to see what the 7,1 brings as well, but for now a Z820 is doing the job. Wish I could get those Mojave / Nvidia drivers.

 

[MIKX]

I'm so, so happy that I neither have any dedicated Windows comps nor any crushing need need to own one.