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Which devices will get iOS 10?
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so your saying the iPhone 5c will definitely support iOS 10? and how can i save battery life on my 5c? i also have auto-brightness on which I keep thinking it saves a lot of battery life
Will the iPhone 5c get iOS 10? since it has the A6 processor and 1gb ram which is very capable
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Uuugh. Here we go, I'll list my prediction:
iPhone 5, iPhone 5c, iPhone 5s, iPhone 6, iPhone 6 Plus, iPhone 6s, iPhone 6s Plus; iPad 4th generation, iPad Air, iPad Air 2; iPad Mini 2, iPad Mini 3, iPad Mini 4; iPod touch (6th generation).
New devices: iPhone 5se, iPhone 7, iPad Air 3.
The iPad 3rd gen. may also get dropped along with the iPad 2 because they have the same processor, with the exception that the iPad 3rd gen. has better graphics.
iPhone 5, iPhone 5c, iPhone 5s, iPhone 6, iPhone 6 Plus, iPhone 6s, iPhone 6s Plus; iPad 4th generation, iPad Air, iPad Air 2; iPad Mini 2, iPad Mini 3, iPad Mini 4; iPod touch (6th generation).
New devices: iPhone 5se, iPhone 7, iPad Air 3.
The iPad 3rd gen. may also get dropped along with the iPad 2 because they have the same processor, with the exception that the iPad 3rd gen. has better graphics.
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okay! when will the keynote be held in June?
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what new features do you think will be in iOS 10? list them all:
and what are the chances for a new interface?
June 6th. 6/6/2016.
New UI will look like this:
And iOS 10 will feature hologram support.
/s
I have a hard time believing that 3% of all iPads in use to day are the original model. It runs iOS 5, and we're basically at iOS 10...Bonus year for who? iPad 2, 4S buyers probably yes. But i don't think people should be overly grateful that their Apple purchase from 2015 is still getting a software updates after 6 months. I must have missed the disclaimer on the mini 1, which informed about the lack of future software support. It was Apple's own choice to sell outdated processors way beyond a healthy product life cycle. And this backfires now, especially for iPads:
Those devices won't disappear with a 64 bit only iOS 10. Some people will upgrade, most of them probably won't until these iPads falls apart. If Apple drops them, developers will face smaller installation base and more hassle to keep their apps compatible. In an already shrinking iPad market, probably not a good outlook. As much as i appreciate a move to only 64 bit, there is no easy way out the current situation. I don't know, maybe Apple could release a barebone iOS 10 for those devices. Or some kind of last iOS 9.4 update with the possibility of minor future enhancements and security patches (similar to outdated Mac OS X versions).
I'm 90% sure iPhone 5 & 5c would both get iOS 10. They are not that old.
The iPhone 5c is still a powerful phone, It would get iOS 10.
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Are you trying to make a planned obsolescence argument? That's not what i intended to say. At least for the A5 devices there are valid ram and processor constraints. Split Screen Multitasking, Content Blockers etc. i can see that this could push those older devices beyond their limit. But not Keyboard Trackpad Selection (on iPhones) or Nightshift. Those seem arbitrary and i suspect a business strategy. And i would hate if Apple's follows this path, because it looks like soon there won't be any valid processor/ram constraints. Faster hardware is already a negligible upgrade reason for some people (there is a noticeable number of posts, who don't notice a speed difference between the 6 and the 6S in the iPhone forum). I would rather see Apple adopting the Mac OS model in the future. Include all features unless some special hardware is missing and finally allow downgrades.
Apple is still refining and adding 32bit APIs and frameworks for iOS 9.3. They even implemented features like secure notes for A5 devices, which seems like a more difficult task than a simple display color setting. As is said before those decisions are not purely based on technological progress. Often they are also a business decision. The same kind of business decisions that led to the sale of outdated processors in 2014/2015 devices when nearly all of the software was ported to 64 bit. If they just stopped selling them sooner or upgraded the processor, we probably wouldn't have this discussion.
And your Power Pc Mac analogy isn't working for me. The historical context was too different: Apple was a way smaller company, didn't design its own processors, different PC-landcape/third party software support and a smaller number of affected devices. Same goes for the transition from Core Solo/Core Duo to Core2Duo. I'm curious about Apple's solution this time. In contrast to this historical events the number of dropped device seems enormous and the reaction from the developer community and consumers (in times of ultrabooks/phablets) is uncertain.
3% seems indeed a bit high, but it is not completely unlikely given the >14 million iPad 1. Maybe this model has a higher margin of error, but i don't know. The localytics report doesn't say much about their methodology: http://info.localytics.com/blog/ipad-market-share-analysis-will-the-ipad-pro-dethrone-the-ipad-2 But their main point is valid. There a quiet a lot of A5 iPads around.
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And part of what I'm trying to demonstrate is that they don't always have to be based on purely business decisions either. Sometimes it's one or the other, sometimes it's a mix of different things. Unless there's something that specifically shows it's just one and only one reasoning there really didn't much of a way to rule other possibilities out and only say it's this or that for sure and nothing else.
If you can provide further evidence, why 32bit Nightshift is an unsurmountable technical hurdle for Apple, please show me. So far you keep insisting on your point that 64 bit is more common (true), but what exactly makes changing the display color so special? Of course i can't rule out all possibilities, but there is strong evidence that this decision is not related to technological progress at all. As others have said, flux and GammaThingy tap the (undocumented) display apis and provide a similar functionality for 32bit devices. Those devices don't fall apart suddenly and neither processor architecture nor the RAM is some kind of bottleneck. And i hope we can at least rule out that Apple hasn't lost it's ability to code in 32bit when they continue to ensure compatibility for other features. If hardware and coding aren't the problem, it all comes down to costs (coding hours/backward compatibility testing) and marketing in this case. I really don't see much room for other conclusions.
Even if you want to dismiss this evidence for being to close to jailbreaking/sideloading, i would like to hear your reasoning for the removal of Keyboard Trackpad on iPhones. Apple went through the effort of testing it internally, brought it to the dev beta, then the public beta and it worked well for many people. And then it got removed with the last beta until it miraculously reappeared as a new unique 3D touch feature. And for someone like me, who has used both methods, the worst part of the story is that the text selection is now more unreliable than previous two finger tap from the beta.
I'm not a fan of this technological progress argument, because companies use it too often to conveniently cut down software support. Especially if their money is made by hardware sales. Android (OEMs) in it's early stages showed in an extreme way what kind of unsustainable and insecure hardware can be created. I don't want to see Apple taking further steps in this direction with iOS. I like their Mac approach way better. The lack of downgrades concerns me (and it's actually the reason i won't buy iPads anymore). And i find moves like Nightshift a bit alarming (the same goes for Livephotos/ Keyboard Trackpad etc.), because it is not easy to find a plausible technical explanation for not porting those things. At least for previous iOS versions most of the new features have been mainly related to some kind of newer hardware. Even the often cited lack of Siri on the iPhone 4 had a technical background. The new noise cancellation microphone was better outside (the jailbreak versions for the 4 sucked outside a silent room). I'm afraid that with a tougher smartphone/tablet market and devices that have become good enough for most everyday tasks, cutting out features for no apparent reason or not optimizing software will be acceptable company behavior. Instead i would rather like to pay again for great software updates like in the early days of Mac and iOS.
Just as there is nothing to show that it's purely done because of marketing type of reasons and nothing else.
Two finger trackpad was only in for the very first 9.0 Developer Preview and was never in the Public Beta. It most likely only showed up in that because they were obviously adding it for iPhone (to be used in 3D Touch) but at that early stage wasn't hidden for the 3D Touch only iPhones yet. That does not mean they added it and took it away only to re-add it to push sales on the new phone. It means the code for it was there because they already intended for it to be for 3D Touch (and iPads) and wasn't finished being worked on in the very first, earliest Developer Beta.
Oh right? But have discussed about how silly that decision is?
Why? Simply why, why such a simple excuse?
Take Proactive for example. A MUCH MORE complex feature that they went through the trouble to write using both 32 and 64 libraries/frameworks for both 32 and 64 devices.
Now that you mention the word "framework", OpenGL isn't even close to an excuse about it "not being possible to render" (i've worked with that thing since i can remember). And far worse:there're even more simple and primitive rendering engines that can handle this perfectly.
Not to mention f.lux and since what device it has been working on.
No matter what you say, this is simply a marketing decision and NOTHING MORE.
As mentioned before, it's just one possibility as none of the others have been ruled out. Just because someone might not agree with something or can't really imagine something else being the case doesn't mean that those other explanations can't apply or play a role.
My prediction.
iOS 10 Supported Devices
A6, A7, A8, A9 iPhones
A6X, A7, A8, A8X, A9X iPads
-All A5, A5X devices support phased out.
A5 powered iPhone 5C still too popular, AND recent. More importantly, recent, was still being sold as new as recently as this past Fall.
It still gets at least 1 more update.
Your right but for a different reason the iPhone 5c is powered by A6 chip, so as I stated they will continue to be supported.
Agreed, I think iPhone 4s, iPad 2 & 3, iPad Mini (1st gen) and iPod touch (5th gen) will be dropped. Following iOS 10's release iPhone 5/5c and iPad 4 owners who upgrade will complain about how slow it is and will wish they hadn't upgraded... iOS 10.1 or 10.2 will promise faster performance for older devices...
Huh… I should've posted my prediction in THIS thread than the other one I posted it in.
Well, based on my observations, Apple has usually based which devices they support based on what they currently sell.
With iOS 7, Apple dropped support for the 4th generation iPod Touch, but still kept the iPhone 4. This was likely a RAM issue, as the 4th gen Touch only had 256MB of RAM. They had the same A4 CPU, but the RAM was what made a difference. However, what Apple did to cut off the 4th gen Touch was interesting: they quietly discontinued it a couple months BEFORE introducing iOS 7, and they introduced that low-cost 5th gen 16GB iPod Touch that lacked the rear iSight camera. This allowed them to ax the 4th gen iPod Touch, because they were no longer selling it.
This is how they support devices. You have to pay attention to what Apple currently sells. This is why Apple supported the iPhone 3GS for iOS 6 and not the original iPad. They had stopped selling the original iPad by that point, but still sold the iPhone 3GS. Again, last year, Apple still sold the iPad mini and 5th gen iPod Touch when they introduced iOS 9, so those devices, along with other devices with similar hardware would still get supported.
Last summer after WWDC, Apple quietly discontinued the original iPad mini, and they finally refreshed their iPod Touch to have an A8 chip in it, replacing the 5th gen iPod Touch. Currently, Apple sells the iPhone SE with an A9 chip, the iPhone 6 models with the A8 chip, and the flagship 6S models which also have the A9. In fact, almost all their devices at this point are A8 and higher. The only exception is the iPad mini 2.
So, assuming Apple doesn't discontinue the iPad mini 2 before WWDC, I think all A5(X) and A6(X) devices will be discontinued. Apple hasn't sold any of these devices in quite a long time, so I think there's no reason for them to support them.
iOS 10 will support: iPhone 5S and later, iPad Air and later, iPad mini 2 and later, iPod Touch 6th gen, and obviously both iPad Pro models.
Well, based on my observations, Apple has usually based which devices they support based on what they currently sell.
With iOS 7, Apple dropped support for the 4th generation iPod Touch, but still kept the iPhone 4. This was likely a RAM issue, as the 4th gen Touch only had 256MB of RAM. They had the same A4 CPU, but the RAM was what made a difference. However, what Apple did to cut off the 4th gen Touch was interesting: they quietly discontinued it a couple months BEFORE introducing iOS 7, and they introduced that low-cost 5th gen 16GB iPod Touch that lacked the rear iSight camera. This allowed them to ax the 4th gen iPod Touch, because they were no longer selling it.
This is how they support devices. You have to pay attention to what Apple currently sells. This is why Apple supported the iPhone 3GS for iOS 6 and not the original iPad. They had stopped selling the original iPad by that point, but still sold the iPhone 3GS. Again, last year, Apple still sold the iPad mini and 5th gen iPod Touch when they introduced iOS 9, so those devices, along with other devices with similar hardware would still get supported.
Last summer after WWDC, Apple quietly discontinued the original iPad mini, and they finally refreshed their iPod Touch to have an A8 chip in it, replacing the 5th gen iPod Touch. Currently, Apple sells the iPhone SE with an A9 chip, the iPhone 6 models with the A8 chip, and the flagship 6S models which also have the A9. In fact, almost all their devices at this point are A8 and higher. The only exception is the iPad mini 2.
So, assuming Apple doesn't discontinue the iPad mini 2 before WWDC, I think all A5(X) and A6(X) devices will be discontinued. Apple hasn't sold any of these devices in quite a long time, so I think there's no reason for them to support them.
iOS 10 will support: iPhone 5S and later, iPad Air and later, iPad mini 2 and later, iPod Touch 6th gen, and obviously both iPad Pro models.
I really hope the iPad 3 continues to be supported. I know it is getting slow but I do not mind that for what I use it for. I am not prepared to start thinking of my iPad as outdated the time has gone just too quick. Even begging for one more generation is silly, but I know as soon as the software is out of date apps will start working like crap. I do not feel I have gotten enough values worth from my iPad to feel "sold" on running out to buy a replacement. This will likely just make me iPadless and a little bitter.
Just my thoughts. I agree with the rationale that ti won't be supported, but it will frustrate me when it becomes official.
Just my thoughts. I agree with the rationale that ti won't be supported, but it will frustrate me when it becomes official.