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mattopotamus

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Jun 12, 2012
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I almost feel Android threw everything at ICS and JB to try to surpass Apple (I feel its subjective to say whether it did or not). I also feel Apple just did the same with iOS 7.

That said I'm not expecting too much from KLP. With the current hardware what else can they do? There are a certain number of things in iOS 7 that I think were changed for the sake of change. I hope that's not the case in KLP. Native multi app support would be nice.

Well for one I do think they are smart enough to add quick reply. Be that with klp or just 4.3
 

IGregory

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Aug 5, 2012
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Just curious which direction yesterday's introduction pushed some of you?

Well, iOS 7 didn't change my decision. I'm still switching to an iPhone when my contract expires 10/13. Everything falling into place nicely. iOS 7 security enhancements fortified my decision to make the switch. Probably most importantly, iOS yearly trouble free updates.

I am making the change not because there is something wrong with Android, I just want all my devices to be the same (eco system). I have a SS G 2 Epic Touch 4G, a SS Galaxy Tab 10.1 and a Macbook Pro with Retina Display. I am replacing the SS products + purchasing a Mac Mini when & if a 2013 update is released.
 

mattopotamus

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I'm sure they are. Not exactly a ground breaking next gen feature though.

true. I really think the next ground breaking feature will come with gestures. The mac does it so good, and I am totally shocked they are not incorporated into the iPhone. I know ios7 added some gesture features, but if they add half the controls a mac has they could totally eliminate a physical or on screen buttons.
 

Faux Carnival

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Aug 1, 2010
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6 whole years of iPhone. Same outdated design, lack of crucial straightforward features... My next phone will definitely be something else. I'll miss the beautiful hardware though.
 

onthecouchagain

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Mar 29, 2011
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Nice video walk through of iOS 7: http://gizmodo.com/ios-7-the-complete-video-walkthrough-and-hands-on-512580808

I like the transparency look. It reminds me of Windows XP in some ways. And it definitely modernizes the OS. Shame some of the icon designs are disagreeable, even downright ugly (Settings icon comes to mind).

At the end, for better or worse, it looks like an iOS device through and through. I wonder if Control Center is customizable...

Again, good for dedicated iOS users; nothing new for Android users.

Welcome to the future, iOS.
 

fotomatt1

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Dec 31, 2007
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Well....after putting iOS 7 beta on my 4S this morning, I'm not closer to staying with Apple. Some things are nice, but some stuff has just been overly complicated, like spotlight. It's not nearly as easy to access. I do like the control center for the most part. I know it's an early beta and several things will change, but the overall design will not, and I'm not really wowed by it. Parallax is cool for about a minute, and then you're over it. I still want more customizability and I'd love home screen widgets, but that will never happen.
 

jrswizzle

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Aug 23, 2012
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Well....after putting iOS 7 beta on my 4S this morning, I'm not closer to staying with Apple. Some things are nice, but some stuff has just been overly complicated, like spotlight. It's not nearly as easy to access. I do like the control center for the most part. I know it's an early beta and several things will change, but the overall design will not, and I'm not really wowed by it. Parallax is cool for about a minute, and then you're over it. I still want more customizability and I'd love home screen widgets, but that will never happen.

How is swiping down anywhere on the springboard "harder" to access?

Heck, say you're on your second page of apps, before you had to swipe back twice to access a blank screen - now they can utilize that left swipe for something else and you can simply swipe down once anywhere on any home screen.

I'd be willing to bet we'll see some type of widget dedicated home screen on that left swipe from the main home.....or some utilization like Blinkfeed - maybe not social feeds, but something like it with some form of content.
 

daveathall

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Aug 6, 2010
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I liked iOS 7. I didn't like the presentation though, I found the references to former iterations of iOS to be somewhat disrespectful to those that had designed and developed it successfully over the years. The references to other companies products IMHO also didn't do them any favours either ("You don't have to walk around the room touching devices"). I also found Schillers "cant innovate anymore" comment to indicate that at least some of the comments have got him rattled (No smoke without fire sort of thing) and a bit "spoiled kid" comment with no need for the language he used.

They had some good products to show, they were just a bit too whiney going about it though. I have enjoyed other conferences much more.
 

jrswizzle

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Aug 23, 2012
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I liked iOS 7. I didn't like the presentation though, I found the references to former iterations of iOS to be somewhat disrespectful to those that had designed and developed it successfully over the years. The references to other companies products IMHO also didn't do them any favours either ("You don't have to walk around the room touching devices"). I also found Schillers "cant innovate anymore" comment to indicate that at least some of the comments have got him rattled (No smoke without fire sort of thing) and a bit "spoiled kid" comment with no need for the language he used.

They had some good products to show, they were just a bit too whiney going about it though. I have enjoyed other conferences much more.

I actually thought quite the opposite.

For most of this last year people have been characterizing Apple as a sleeping giant or asleep at the wheel. I felt the jabs at Forstall and skeuomorphism had more to do with Forstall's abrasive tenure there than anything and the few jabs at the "other companies" (which really were normal statistical comparisons they always do to try and appease shareholders) were NOTHING compared to the general marketing strategy of a company like Samsung (EVERY ad is a jab).

I also felt like the Schiller quote (you can see I liked it - its now my sig) was one of the best points of the presentation. It signaled Apple was fully aware of the talk and was kicking it into high gear.....a perfect companion quote to the Mac Pro announcement.

All-in-all, we knew iOS 7 would be polarizing. Dramatic changes will have that effect. I also thought that for the first time in a while, Apple is on a mission. They came out in that presentation and really put the pedal to the metal so to speak. I saw it not as whiney, but as with a chip on their shoulders. And given the talk, wouldn't you feel that way? Here they are setting record after record and people/media act like their dead - not dying, but dead.

It has me really excited for the fall when all this stuff drops. Given the dramatic changes with the Mac Pro and iOS 7 I'm eager to see whats in store for the iPhone and iPad releases - perhaps not what were expecting?
 

onthecouchagain

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I don't think anyone would argue that Apple isn't innovating on the Mac front (still love my rMBP).

The charges of Apple "falling asleep" at the wheel are more targeted toward the iPhone and iOS front. And the charge still stands for the most part.
 

jrswizzle

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Aug 23, 2012
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I don't think anyone would argue that Apple isn't innovating on the Mac front (still love my rMBP).

The charges of Apple "falling asleep" at the wheel are more targeted toward the iPhone and iOS front. And the charge still stands for the most part.

I don't see how.....I think people look at the surface and are getting stuck on the new design. They think its too "childish" and then forget to look into all the dev APIs and new behind the scenes features that will be coming to iOS 7.

To be quite honest, I'm not quite sure what else Apple could do at this point. There are only a handful of gripes that I hear that are actually legitimate (even if I don't agree):

(1) default app switching
(2) larger screen option
(3) updated stock keyboard (better keyboards would come with the addition of default app switching)
(4) ???

I contend with the question - What did Google do this year with I/O? Added a Game Center clone, more dev APIs and tools (to rival Apple's dev environment), additional Google Now features (many of which Siri had).....

I think we've simply entered the maturity phase of smartphone's and mobile OSes.....until we reach the merging point of the desktop OS and mobile OS (which Microsoft is desperately trying at least on the tablet front), I don't think we'll see any more HUGE innovations.....

I think Apple did exactly what they need to and set out to do. Next will be the iPhone hardware - will we see the cheaper and larger options? Based on the somewhat radical directions we saw at WWDC, I'd guess ya. Or at least we'll see something we may not have expected.

We can't expect for a reinvention of the wheel every year. Nor is it fair or right to expect Apple to back out of their philosophy and completely change course. iOS is iOS - it will always "look and feel" like iOS. Expecting it to become Android or some Android/iOS hybrid isn't realistic.

As I've said 1000 times, that's why all these platforms exist. They are interpretations/implementations of differing design philosophies both software and hardware wise. You don't like iOS now, you'll likely never like it and should simply move on.

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We disagree JR. :)

Aye :D

WWDC has made me excited for whats in store this fall though. The radical new Mac Pro design, the controversial iOS 7 redesign shows Apple isn't simply regurgitating for the sake of maintaining the status quo.

Perhaps we see some surprises at this fall's events?
 

ReanimationN

macrumors 6502a
Sep 7, 2011
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Australia
Nice video walk through of iOS 7: http://gizmodo.com/ios-7-the-complete-video-walkthrough-and-hands-on-512580808

I like the transparency look. It reminds me of Windows XP in some ways. And it definitely modernizes the OS. Shame some of the icon designs are disagreeable, even downright ugly (Settings icon comes to mind).

At the end, for better or worse, it looks like an iOS device through and through. I wonder if Control Center is customizable...

Again, good for dedicated iOS users; nothing new for Android users.

Welcome to the future, iOS.

XP? Wouldn't it remind you of Vista/7?
 

jaymzuk

macrumors regular
Jun 1, 2012
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Haha fair enough. But considering Apple only releases 1 phone a year, if you want iOS you really have no other choice.

And I think that's the issue that Apple faces. iOS needs to be amazing because it's all Apple has as far as phones go. If Google screw Android up, Samsung and HTC can go concentrate on Windows Phones.

With Apple, depending on your tastes and preferences, you could be lumbered with hardware you love and software you hate or vice versa. If the next iPhone doesn't have a unique selling point (And by that I don't mean a feature already found on Android and purposefully not rolled out to all capable devices a la Siri or AirDrop), and iOS7 isn't received well by the public, then Apple could have a struggle on their hands.

Cue some fanboy giving me stats about how many iPhones Apple sold last year or it's cash reserves, acting as if Apple's history started in the summer of 2007.
 

otismotive77

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May 18, 2013
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i love the new look of iOS and that's why i've decided that i'll buy the iphone 5s. apple's iOS is no more behind android and the new look is also ay better than the stock android's UI.
 

MeatRocket

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Jun 9, 2013
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In the Sandbox
.....I'll miss the beautiful hardware though.

As an Android user, I have to second this. I love Android, but with the exception of a few devices (almost all being made by HTC), the iPhone aluminum unibody design is just damn sexy.

If I could have HTC's mods of Android, combined with the iPhone body & design, with Samsung's cutting edge internals THEN I'd have a phone I couldn't possibly live without.
 

ChrisTX

macrumors 68030
Dec 30, 2009
2,686
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Texas
And I think that's the issue that Apple faces. iOS needs to be amazing because it's all Apple has as far as phones go. If Google screw Android up, Samsung and HTC can go concentrate on Windows Phones.

With Apple, depending on your tastes and preferences, you could be lumbered with hardware you love and software you hate or vice versa. If the next iPhone doesn't have a unique selling point (And by that I don't mean a feature already found on Android and purposefully not rolled out to all capable devices a la Siri or AirDrop), and iOS7 isn't received well by the public, then Apple could have a struggle on their hands.

Cue some fanboy giving me stats about how many iPhones Apple sold last year or it's cash reserves, acting as if Apple's history started in the summer of 2007.

Since last year, I have owned a Nexus 4, and the S3, and S4 but iOS 7 looks great, and has me seriously considering the next iteration of the iPhone in the fall. Let's hope Apple can win me back.
 

cualexander

macrumors 6502a
Apr 3, 2006
567
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iOS 7 almost pushed me to Android again. I've owned every iPhone and I have a Mac mini and 2 iPads, but sometimes I wish iOS would open up a little more and at least allow a default browser switch.

But every time I start researching Android again or use the Galaxy Nexus I still have, I remember why I love iOS despite it's lack of openness. It just works. No tweaking or ROM flashing.

I remember when I ditched my Galaxy Nexus and went and bought the iPhone 5. I logged in with my Apple ID and started using the phone the second I took it out of the box, and it just worked. No tweaks or kernel patches necessary.

iOS has it's flaws and Android trumps it feature wise, but overall I think Apple still wins in shear simplicity and beauty. The iPhone 5 is a beautifully engineered device. I can't find an Android device that is on the same hardware level. And iOS 7 will take it up a notch with parallax and other small subtle tweaks on the software end. I'm excited again.
 
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