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There's a rock over there you could yell at for awhile.

I would like to be sympathetic but the iPad's inability to play flash is widely known. It is therefore reasonable that you knew about it and bought it anyways.

no I never knew, never did my homework kinda jumped in the deep end w/o learning how to swim. I was hoping to find a lifeguard or two w/ a life persevere but all I found so far is a bunch of guys throwing me anchors.
 
You. OP. Get out of here.

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all I found so far is a bunch of guys throwing me anchors.

Those are iAnchors. Even youngsters can do some basic research before buying a product, so they know what they're getting. Those of us who are older and have more life experience have no excuse, IMO.
 
You want us to go easy on you for bashing a product you have no idea about? On a site dedicated to those products? I don't follow.

I really wasn't bashing the product. I was just expressing my frustration. It seems to me that after building computers since 1976 they (Apple) would have come out w/ a product that was compatible w/ over 80% of the websites even if those sites are obsolete according to some of the replies I got.
 
I really wasn't bashing the product. I was just expressing my frustration. It seems to me that after building computers since 1976 they (Apple) would have come out w/ a product that was compatible w/ over 80% of the websites even if those sites are obsolete according to some of the replies I got.

It seems to me that someone who was going to drop several hundred bucks on a product would find the internet forum filled with discussion of said product and read up on it before they bought it and were dissatisfied.
 
Those are iAnchors. Even youngsters can do some basic research before buying a product, so they know what they're getting. Those of us who are older and have more life experience have no excuse, IMO.

like I said I didn't have the time
 
In all seriousness, you have a valid point; an internet enabled device should display the MOST common multimedia format on the web. Contact www.apple.com/feedback/

Sorry for all the jerks harshing your gig here on macrumors, but this topic inexplicably makes people who don't like Flash be vitriolic, petty, and insulting to those of us who do like it).
 
There is no taking it easy on macrumors OP. Its a speak at your own risk type of thing over here.
 
80% of what web sites?

There is no excuse in this day and
age for a website to require Flash...
especially since Adobe has all but
ignored mobile platforms until very
recently.
 
wasn't looking for sympathy just a little civility

I'll try, you're probably not the first to find out the hard way that it doesn't do flash. The reality is at this time it looks as if it's never going to. Probably for 2 reasons.

1) Flash on OS X (and the iPad runs a lite version of the OS) runs really bad. A few youtube videos on my Macbook and the fans are spinning up. Maybe one day we'll see a lite flash client that doesn't use too much processing power (and battery), but even then you've got reason 2.

2) Flash based games/apps may have an impact on Apple pushing things through their own channels.

Me personally I don't find it a bad thing (only got an iPhone at the moment), though I can see the frustration my daughter might have when the Cbeebies or Milkshake websites won't work (UK Childrens TV channels). Maybe I'll just give her my MacBook!

Anyway, options. Keep it, it's a great product and hope that your required services change (cos Apple wont) or sell it on. Chances are with the shortages at the moment you might even make a bit on top.
 
I really wasn't bashing the product. I was just expressing my frustration. It seems to me that after building computers since 1976 they (Apple) would have come out w/ a product that was compatible w/ over 80% of the websites even if those sites are obsolete according to some of the replies I got.

This was prominently discussed in many of the tech sites and forums on the web, including this one:

http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/

Steve Jobs Posts 'Thoughts on Flash' Open Letter
 
I was thinking before Steve Jobs posted an open letter about Flash on www.apple.com that surely Apple was going to have to give in with the volume of iPads being sold. These devices have turned into people's primary means of web browsing. They're so simple to use and they don't get hot on your lap like MacBooks do.

In my opinion, Apple isn't going to budge. They're hoping that sites start using HTML5. I think they might have the power to make an impact. Unfortunately for iPad/iPod Touch/iPhone users, flash will always be there in some way shape or form.
 
I really wasn't bashing the product. I was just expressing my frustration. It seems to me that after building computers since 1976 they (Apple) would have come out w/ a product that was compatible w/ over 80% of the websites even if those sites are obsolete according to some of the replies I got.

Hi Mike,

I can understand your frustration. But try to look at it from the point of us web developers:

The web is built on open standards. Nobody owns the HTTP protocol that specifies how a webpage is transmitted from the server to your computer. The same goes for the HTML "language" in which web pages are developed - it's a free, open standard that anyone can use.

All this openness means that anyone can come along and create a web page - they don't need to pay any company for the right to create or view the page. Same goes for web browsers and web servers - anyone out there can create their own browser, without having to worry that they're stepping on another company's toes.

Now - along comes Adobe. They buy a little company called Macromedia, who created Flash - a tool that allows you to build animated web pages relatively easily. In the late 90s/early 2000s, Flash made sense because there was no way to accomplish this using HTML.

However, Flash isn't open. It's controlled by a single company. So if 80% of the websites out there are running Flash, that means 80% of websites are beholden to a single company, who may or may not have their best interests in mind. It also means that anyone that wants to *view* those sites is also beholden to Adobe, because you've got to install the Flash player plugin on your machine.

Now, I'm sure that Adobe isn't some big giant evil corporation - not really - but does it make sense to allow a single company that degree of control over the content of the web, which is otherwise built on open tools and formats?

Other issues with Flash content:

* Not easily indexable/searchable by search engines.
* Not very accessible to folks with disabilities (eg: screen readers for the blind, etc). Sure, blind people aren't going to play a lot of Flash games - but what about restaurants whose entire sites are built with Flash?

Flash made sense in 1999 when it was difficult to do certain things in a browser. Just like RealPlayer made sense back then for streaming video. But how many sites use RealPlayer now? Flash is on the way out - serious web developers moved away from it years ago and the rest of the community is starting to catch up.
 
Me personally I don't find it a bad thing (only got an iPhone at the moment), though I can see the frustration my daughter might have when the Cbeebies or Milkshake websites won't work (UK Childrens TV channels). Maybe I'll just give her my MacBook!

Anyway, options. Keep it, it's a great product and hope that your required services change (cos Apple wont) or sell it on. Chances are with the shortages at the moment you might even make a bit on top.

Cbeebies will be fine, milkshake probably not.
 
Hi Mike,

I can understand your frustration. But try to look at it from the point of us web developers:

The web is built on open standards. Nobody owns the HTTP protocol that specifies how a webpage is transmitted from the server to your computer. The same goes for the HTML "language" in which web pages are developed - it's a free, open standard that anyone can use.

All this openness means that anyone can come along and create a web page - they don't need to pay any company for the right to create or view the page. Same goes for web browsers and web servers - anyone out there can create their own browser, without having to worry that they're stepping on another company's toes.

Now - along comes Adobe. They buy a little company called Macromedia, who created Flash - a tool that allows you to build animated web pages relatively easily. In the late 90s/early 2000s, Flash made sense because there was no way to accomplish this using HTML.

However, Flash isn't open. It's controlled by a single company. So if 80% of the websites out there are running Flash, that means 80% of websites are beholden to a single company, who may or may not have their best interests in mind. It also means that anyone that wants to *view* those sites is also beholden to Adobe, because you've got to install the Flash player plugin on your machine.

Now, I'm sure that Adobe isn't some big giant evil corporation - not really - but does it make sense to allow a single company that degree of control over the content of the web, which is otherwise built on open tools and formats?

Other issues with Flash content:

* Not easily indexable/searchable by search engines.
* Not very accessible to folks with disabilities (eg: screen readers for the blind, etc). Sure, blind people aren't going to play a lot of Flash games - but what about restaurants whose entire sites are built with Flash?

Flash made sense in 1999 when it was difficult to do certain things in a browser. Just like RealPlayer made sense back then for streaming video. But how many sites use RealPlayer now? Flash is on the way out - serious web developers moved away from it years ago and the rest of the community is starting to catch up.

Very well stated.
 
like I said I didn't have the time

Oh but you had time to create this rant?

It seems to me that someone who was going to drop several hundred bucks on a product would find the internet forum filled with discussion of said product and read up on it before they bought it and were dissatisfied.

+1

I really wasn't bashing the product. I was just expressing my frustration. It seems to me that after building computers since 1976 they (Apple) would have come out w/ a product that was compatible w/ over 80% of the websites even if those sites are obsolete according to some of the replies I got.

80% of websites? I think you should really rethink that number



Those are iAnchors. Even youngsters can do some basic research before buying a product, so they know what they're getting. Those of us who are older and have more life experience have no excuse, IMO.

I disagree. Most kids would just buy or steal their parents credit card.

That's nobody's fault but yours.

Couldn't agree more.

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Hey, OP...which one are you in the above picture?

Haha. I remember those quite well. Sigh. I miss the 90s
 
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