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JT2002TJ said:
That's what I was guessing they were, but my quick google search didn't find it. People put sequential indicators on, but yeah, they are NOT legal (as far as I know).

EDIT: They may be legal, with some limitations...
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Yeah sequential indicators are legal but the whole tail/head light has to light up first then it can do the animation. Or at least that is what I am lead to believe based on some light searching.

edit for link: https://www.topspeed.com/cars/car-n...round-the-u-s-ban-on-sequential-turn-signals/
 
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JT2002TJ said:
Not sure what tracing indicators are, so I'm assuming they are illegal here currently. We have to have approval from our NTSB before these kinds of things become DOT approved. If not, every manufacture would just develop something, without proper testing and they would be all over our roads. There are a LOT of new car sales in the US, second only to China.

Tesla and some German manufactures are trying to get approval for Matrix headlights. Newer model Tesla's come with them, but the feature just turned off.

Just like, there are countries where Tesla can't allow FSD, because local government regulations haven't approved them, while it is deployed here in the US (but requires driver input or nagging).

We have to have orange reflectors on the side of vehicles towards the front. Most manufacturers just put it in the headlight sides to comply, but like German cars do, having it on the front wing is also compliant. We are allowed to have our rear indicators be red, so our brake light on the turning side can flash to indicate direction, but in other countries that isn't legal as they must be amber.
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They are referred to as dynamic indicators too and I only asked as I saw a YouTube review of the Q4 and it had basic blinking indicators and the reviewer commented they were different to the animated indicators found in Europe. I hadn’t realised adaptive and matrix headlights were also illegal in the US currently until it was said here. Seems strange seeing how long they’ve been available in the UK. Our last 3 cars have had adaptive LED headlights and they are so much clearer. Red indicators are illegal here though as they are too similar to brake and fog lights for our standards.

I always think the orange reflectors I see on US cad reviews look too much of an afterthought. I understand they are probably for safety reasons, they just detract from the sleek headlights we get on this side of the pond IMO. It’s what we are used to though at the end of the day though I suppose.
 
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JT2002TJ said:
If you are worried about charging, a Rivian may also not be a good option because of the battery size... It takes a long time to charge.

When it comes to efficiency and range, Tesla is still king.

But if I remember correctly, Hawaii has high gas prices, I would be seriously considering going EV over Hybrid, just to not have to spend money on gas. If you are eventually planning on going EV, might as well make the shift now. And with a lot of the US based EV vehicles either thinking about or already committed to switching to NACS, I would look for a Tesla wall charger, then if I got a vehicle with J1771/CCS, I would get an adapter. I have a feeling the US standard will end up being NACS, so your next car would likely use NACS.
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3 EVs and still have the CCS1 and J1772.

No NACS for me....

Maybe my next EV - looking at the Toyota solid state battery EV evolution.
 
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I got rear ended today. Very low impact. Hardly made a dent. But very annoying. Will get a quote and see what is to be done. At least I have a dash cam.
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Sorry. Hope you are feeling ok, especially on the days to come.

I'm not sure I posted it here, but I got rear ended in my TM3 on 5/24/23. I hope yours isn't as $$ as mine was. It took just over a month for me to get the car repaired (waiting on parts, it was drivable). Car looks great, but it was a BIG bill...

Front Camera View:
https://imgur.com/oT2ybX8

Rear Camera View:
https://imgur.com/ZwuSvCJ



Trunk structure and bracing was damaged


Final Bill (I have vanishing deductible, I don't pay for a $100 deductible)


What I learned is, don't hit a Tesla. Everything was repaired by a Tesla approved body shop. They also are certified by my insurance company.

Something to consider when getting an EV, most of them are on expensive to repair, just like high end European cars.
 
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JT2002TJ said:
Sorry. Hope you are feeling ok, especially on the days to come.

I'm not sure I posted it here, but I got rear ended in my TM3 on 5/24/23. I hope yours isn't as $$ as mine was. It took just over a month for me to get the car repaired (waiting on parts, it was drivable). Car looks great, but it was a BIG bill...

Front Camera View:
https://imgur.com/oT2ybX8

Rear Camera View:
https://imgur.com/ZwuSvCJ



Trunk structure and bracing was damaged


Final Bill (I have vanishing deductible, I don't pay for a $100 deductible)


What I learned is, don't hit a Tesla. Everything was repaired by a Tesla approved body shop. They also are certified by my insurance company.

Something to consider when getting an EV, most of them are on expensive to repair, just like high end European cars.
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At least they fixed yours, my first TM3 was totaled for a rear end collision that seemed easily repairable.
 
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diamond.g said:
At least they fixed yours, my first TM3 was totaled for a rear end collision that seemed easily repairable.
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Yeah, it is really a timing issue. It all depends on which parts get damaged and when parts are available. My understanding is that if you have any quarter panel damage, it quickly ups the cost of repair, and the wait for parts. So if that driver had hit the corner instead of straight on, it probably would have been totaled.

I'm not sure if I'm better off with getting it repaired at this point. I do love the car, but I bought the car for $42k 4 months ago and now have a $12k repair. This means a pretty significant diminished value.
 
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cyb3rdud3

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JT2002TJ said:
Yeah, it is really a timing issue. It all depends on which parts get damaged and when parts are available. My understanding is that if you have any quarter panel damage, it quickly ups the cost of repair, and the wait for parts. So if that driver had hit the corner instead of straight on, it probably would have been totaled.

I'm not sure if I'm better off with getting it repaired at this point. I do love the car, but I bought the car for $42k 4 months ago and now have a $12k repair. This means a pretty significant diminished value.
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Wouldn’t insurance pay for that?
 
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cyb3rdud3 said:
Wouldn’t insurance pay for that?
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I used my Comprehensive insurance to cover the damages, they will go after the at fault driver's company. Diminished value is not my insurance company's responsibility. I will have to go after the loss in value and see what I can get.

Just another thing I would have to deal with if people just paid attention to the road, or at least had a collision avoidance system to prevent this. This is one more reason I am all for EV's, especially higher end EV's, they typically come with a lot more safety features than the typical ICE (I know tons of ICE have these systems).
 
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JT2002TJ said:
I used my Comprehensive insurance to cover the damages, they will go after the at fault driver's company. Diminished value is not my insurance company's responsibility. I will have to go after the loss in value and see what I can get.

Just another thing I would have to deal with if people just paid attention to the road, or at least had a collision avoidance system to prevent this. This is one more reason I am all for EV's, especially higher end EV's, they typically come with a lot more safety features than the typical ICE (I know tons of ICE have these systems).
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Ah, I see. Diminished value generally only come into play here if it was recorded as an insurance total loss. If the insurance doesn’t write off the car nobody would be any the wiser, unless the repair is noticeable ofcourse.
 
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cyb3rdud3 said:
Ah, I see. Diminished value generally only come into play here if it was recorded as an insurance total loss. If the insurance doesn’t write off the car nobody would be any the wiser, unless the repair is noticeable ofcourse.
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Here we have car history reports (CARFAX and similar) so accidents are easily tracked for most newer cars and figured into any car value appraisals.
 
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danny_w said:
Here we have car history reports (CARFAX and similar) so accidents are easily tracked for most newer cars and figured into any car value appraisals.
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x2.

My car is now worth less because their customer hit my vehicle. When I was searching (on Tesla's website) for the car, previously repaired damage vehicles were immediately excluded from my search...

I personally wouldn't buy my car, knowing there was a major (by cost, not by actual damage) accident. 1/4 of the vehicles cost on the repairs of an accident to me is major.

I didn't mean to take this off topic. Just wanted to give those who are going to make the change to EV's another thing to be aware of before the move. I 100% would still have bought the TM3, and am very glad I moved to a full EV household. I have no intention of ever moving back to ICE.
 
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JT2002TJ said:
Sorry. Hope you are feeling ok, especially on the days to come.

I'm not sure I posted it here, but I got rear ended in my TM3 on 5/24/23. I hope yours isn't as $$ as mine was. It took just over a month for me to get the car repaired (waiting on parts, it was drivable). Car looks great, but it was a BIG bill...

Front Camera View:
https://imgur.com/oT2ybX8

Rear Camera View:
https://imgur.com/ZwuSvCJ



Trunk structure and bracing was damaged


Final Bill (I have vanishing deductible, I don't pay for a $100 deductible)


What I learned is, don't hit a Tesla. Everything was repaired by a Tesla approved body shop. They also are certified by my insurance company.

Something to consider when getting an EV, most of them are on expensive to repair, just like high end European cars.
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Ouch. Mine was a much lower impact. It was a Tesla that hit me.
Waiting on BMW to see when they can fit me in for a quote.
 
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cyb3rdud3

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JT2002TJ said:
x2.

My car is now worth less because their customer hit my vehicle. When I was searching (on Tesla's website) for the car, previously repaired damage vehicles were immediately excluded from my search...

I personally wouldn't buy my car, knowing there was a major (by cost, not by actual damage) accident. 1/4 of the vehicles cost on the repairs of an accident to me is major.

I didn't mean to take this off topic. Just wanted to give those who are going to make the change to EV's another thing to be aware of before the move. I 100% would still have bought the TM3, and am very glad I moved to a full EV household. I have no intention of ever moving back to ICE.
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In time I do think the costs will come down. I think it’s a case of not enough shops having done the training to make these cars safe when doing the work. Also the current lack of parts doesn’t help.

We’ve had our Polestar modified, and the company contacted Polestar for the right procedure to do the work and they were very forthcoming so it wasn’t a big deal when they stripped it down.

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JT2002TJ said:
Sorry. Hope you are feeling ok, especially on the days to come.

I'm not sure I posted it here, but I got rear ended in my TM3 on 5/24/23. I hope yours isn't as $$ as mine was. It took just over a month for me to get the car repaired (waiting on parts, it was drivable). Car looks great, but it was a BIG bill...

Front Camera View:
https://imgur.com/oT2ybX8

Rear Camera View:
https://imgur.com/ZwuSvCJ



Trunk structure and bracing was damaged


Final Bill (I have vanishing deductible, I don't pay for a $100 deductible)


What I learned is, don't hit a Tesla. Everything was repaired by a Tesla approved body shop. They also are certified by my insurance company.

Something to consider when getting an EV, most of them are on expensive to repair, just like high end European cars.
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At least it wasn't a Honda bump!

Sorry I will see myself out.....

Seriously speaking that sucks. I suspect it is so expensive to repair Tesla's is because Tesla doesn't allow for cheap repairs and they will replace EVERYTHING in the area that was hit. Even if lets say an ultrasonic sensor was perfectly fine to be reused, Tesla will still replace it.
 
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quagmire said:
At least it wasn't a Honda bump!

Sorry I will see myself out.....

Seriously speaking that sucks. I suspect it is so expensive to repair Tesla's is because Tesla doesn't allow for cheap repairs and they will replace EVERYTHING in the area that was hit. Even if lets say an ultrasonic sensor was perfectly fine to be reused, Tesla will still replace it.
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Once my accident stuff is completely closed, I will be sending this video into Wham Baam...

In my instance, it was mostly labor, the parts weren't too bad, considering they were all OEM. So far, my experience with TM3s and TMYs is that parts are actually a LOT cheaper than other manufacturers. Yes, there are aftermarket options for other cars (which mostly are crap), but OEM to OEM Tesla parts seem to be cheaper than their counterparts.

*This is here in the US.
 
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diamond.g said:
Outside of Tesla's magic dock, I've not really seen any 3rd party units so far. Which is kind of odd to be honest.
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This is true for CCS1, but there are adapters out there for NACS to J1772 for L2 charging.

Rivian has announced they will provide adapters for all their existing customers vehicles, so I expect this to be NACS to CCS1. And with all the recent ship jumping, I would expect the aftermarket to develop cheap options very soon...
 
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