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Yeah, that's what I've been told and read regarding high wear items like Brakes and Tires. I work with a few people that own a Tesla. That was one of the things they mentioned. I have a 2021 Corolla SE right now. I bought brand new. And the new ones now have spiked in price insanely. So EV's have gone up even more as well with inflation.
Brakes wear less not more with an EV due to regenerative braking.
 

JT2002TJ

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True true. For us, our State Farm rates went down about $60/mo going from 2 Civics to 1 used Tesla. BUT yes, Tesla insurance is insane. I can only imagine for a NEW Tesla.

Annual CA DMV Registration is INSANE. Despite my Tesla being used - $600+. lol.

Yup. luckily we don't have that EV tax in NY (that I know of).
 

BigMcGuire

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Agreed. I remember losing my old car in a large car park once (I parked the previous day). The ability to sound the horn and flash the lights would have been very useful back then.
Oh yeah I use the Tesla location thing all the time to see how long it will take my wife to get home from work, or to find my car. So many things I'm very reliant on now - couldn't imagine being without them. lol.
 

Apple fanboy

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Oh yeah I use the Tesla location thing all the time to see how long it will take my wife to get home from work, or to find my car. So many things I'm very reliant on now - couldn't imagine being without them. lol.
That’s the thing with technology in cars. Once you’ve had things like adaptive cruise control, reversing cameras and the like you don’t want to go back.
 

danny_w

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The app experience for the vehicle is important, I just figure that folks that have vehicles with no app are not going to clamor for an app (or would be able to tell if the experience is a good one or not with no prior experience).
My first experience with an app for a car was when I bought my wife a Lincoln Nautilus back in January. It came in very handy a few days ago when she locked her key fob in the car and I could remotely unlock it for her. It can lock/unlock the doors, start/stop the engine, honk the horn and flash the lights, and roll the windows up/down. It can also show the exact location of the car and show the gas level, oil life left, tire pressures, and mileage. Of course I have nothing to compare it to but it has been a great experience. I can see how this extended to an EV could be extremely handy.
 
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diamond.g

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My first experience with an app for a car was when I bought my wife a Lincoln Nautilus back in January. It came in very handy a few days ago when she locked her key fob in the car and I could remotely unlock it for her. It can lock/unlock the doors, start/stop the engine, honk the horn and flash the lights, and roll the windows up/down. It can also show the exact location of the car and show the gas level, oil life left, tire pressures, and mileage. Of course I have nothing to compare it to but it has been a great experience. I can see how this extended to an EV could be extremely handy.
Nice!
If I was to get a new Tesla, I'd only consider an LFP Tesla because of crazy lifespan and the fact that it can sit at 100% charge without harming the battery.
Yeah LFP needs to up the power density so that the higher end vehicles can keep the performance.
 

JT2002TJ

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If I was to get a new Tesla, I'd only consider an LFP Tesla because of crazy lifespan and the fact that it can sit at 100% charge without harming the battery.

Do you find that you need to be up in the 100% range with your TM3? I keep mine Teslas around 80%, and if I need to drive somewhere that I'm concerned with leaving it, I charge to 100% and leave right away.

I only use 30% in a day, so starting at 80% doesn't hurt me at all.

Now, the lifespan, I am still learning about EV battery technology, so I'm not sure of the difference.
 

danny_w

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If I was to get a new Tesla, I'd only consider an LFP Tesla because of crazy lifespan and the fact that it can sit at 100% charge without harming the battery.
Sorry but I would never even consider a Tesla, and I understand that they are the only US company to use LFP currently. I think Ford is building a plant for LFP but don’t know which models will use them. I don’t know about other companies.
 
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The-Real-Deal82

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Are you sure? My research has China, then US as the number 2 importer of German vehicles... Both China and US show significantly higher than the UK.

A couple of articles suggest this:

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It may have changed since March though. I think it shows the UK is at least a significant market for German EV’s at this point. China are less interested in the environment on average with their refusal to comply with environmental needs.
 

BigMcGuire

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Do you find that you need to be up in the 100% range with your TM3? I keep mine Teslas around 80%, and if I need to drive somewhere that I'm concerned with leaving it, I charge to 100% and leave right away.

I only use 30% in a day, so starting at 80% doesn't hurt me at all.

Now, the lifespan, I am still learning about EV battery technology, so I'm not sure of the difference.
Most of the time our Tesla spends between 30-70%. Because we have the LR Tesla, that is beyond plenty for us. It is VERY rare to be >80% charge.

And yeah, my wife commutes with this car MWF - and 1 way is about 25-30%.

Tesla employees told us to keep it below 80% unless doing a very long trip and you use it right away for battery longevity. Our max range is still basically the same as when we got it despite putting 40k on it.
 

BigMcGuire

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Sorry but I would never even consider a Tesla, and I understand that they are the only US company to use LFP currently. I think Ford is building a plant for LFP but don’t know which models will use them. I don’t know about other companies.
No worries - Ever since we got our Tesla last year, a lot of things have changed. lol. I'm amazed at the hate we get for owning the vehicle. I've had people try to run us off the road, scream at us just because of our car - thankfully no physical damage that I'm aware of. I don't even use Twitter so I could care less what Elon does but my goodness, just mentioning Tesla today usually results in strong opinions when I talk amongst friends/people I know. lol. (Not saying this is you, just my experience).

For me the charging network is a must because I only have a normal wall outlet in our garage. So that was a big part of my reason for Tesla. That and the used price was (at the time) very acceptable.

I have a little 256w Anker LiFEP0 - love how I can keep that at 100% and not hurt the life of the thing and it has a 10 year life estimation. Hopefully in a few years when we're in the market again these are standard!
 

cyb3rdud3

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Look at sales by Country. Europe is not one country, and each country has different regulations. Influence come from individual countries. China is King, US is second...
Semantics. You talk countries I talk markets. Different US states have more difference than the European and especial EU within that region. And in those sales figures that is North American market which includes Canada as well. Demonstrably half the size, really don’t understand why you argue against the facts.
 

cyb3rdud3

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The only thing I use the app for sometimes is to precondition the car. Otherwise I really don’t get what the fuss is about an app.
 

diamond.g

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The only thing I use the app for sometimes is to precondition the car. Otherwise I really don’t get what the fuss is about an app.
That and approving software updates and turning on/off sentry mode.

I don’t use summon (it is faster from the fob) and I don’t look at the cameras remotely all that often.
 
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cyb3rdud3

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That and approving software updates and turning on/off sentry mode.

I don’t use summon (it is faster from the fob) and I don’t look at the cameras remotely all that often.
Same, I only look at the camera by exception, and perhaps twice a year to ensure it is still working. And yes, on our software updates are blocking and lock you out of the car, so I do use the app to check it has been completed unless 1.5 hours has passed as then it will definitely be done if it was a big full OS replacement.

I really don't need an app to tell me how much charge the car has; we aren't that old or forgetful that we can't remember the approximate charge left, really no different from how full the tank was. Nor, when out and about, just know how long it takes to fill up. Public charging is typical somewhere from 10-20% to 80% full to use efficient and fast charging; so that is 20-30mins maximum on our car. Not really enough time to hang about after one has gone to the WC, grabbed a coffee, smoked a cigarette etc. And if it is a destination (slow) charger, who cares? They aren't time-limited, the purpose isn't to fill it up, it is what it is…
 

JT2002TJ

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A couple of articles suggest this:

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It may have changed since March though. I think it shows the UK is at least a significant market for German EV’s at this point. China are less interested in the environment on average with their refusal to comply with environmental needs.

Sorry, I meant overall car sales, not just EV car sales... Right no EVs are the smallest segment of Big Auto (excluding Tesla).
 

JT2002TJ

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Semantics. You talk countries I talk markets. Different US states have more difference than the European and especial EU within that region. And in those sales figures that is North American market which includes Canada as well. Demonstrably half the size, really don’t understand why you argue against the facts.

With regulations on emissions, NTSB, a federal agency sets the standard for US new car imports. They, also set the standards on new features, this is why we are not able to use Matrix headlights, LEDs/HIDs took a while to get here. Canada has nothing to do with US regulations, other than they get the benefit of possibly using the same ships to bring them over. Cars purchased in Canada or the US do NOT have warranties when registered in the other country. This applies for US vehicles, and German imports. If you buy it in the US and move to Canada or vice versa and you register the vehicle you will lose your new car warranty.

There is no difference between US state standards for new vehicles, with the exception of California... Most vehicles we import are CARB approved, so the US is one market.

No one is arguing here against facts, unless you are saying that the US is not in fact the number 2 importer of German cars, which is what I said...
 
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The-Real-Deal82

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Sorry, I meant overall car sales, not just EV car sales... Right no EVs are the smallest segment of Big Auto (excluding Tesla).

Crossed wires then, my original post stated EV’s and sure they are the smallest market at the moment. The UK is tiny compared to China and the US so I’d be extremely worried if we were importing more general cars lol. The UK used to be the biggest market for German cars in Europe outside of Germany though. Not surprising though as just driving around it seems like most cars on our roads are BMW’s, Audi’s and Mercedes with heavy mix of Fords, Vauxhalls and Hyundai/Kia’s.
 

Apple fanboy

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Crossed wires then, my original post stated EV’s and sure they are the smallest market at the moment. The UK is tiny compared to China and the US so I’d be extremely worried if we were importing more general cars lol. The UK used to be the biggest market for German cars in Europe outside of Germany though. Not surprising though as just driving around it seems like most cars on our roads are BMW’s, Audi’s and Mercedes with heavy mix of Fords, Vauxhalls and Hyundai/Kia’s.
Plus Tesla’s. I see a lot of those these days.
 
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The-Real-Deal82

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They, also set the standards on new features, this is why we are not able to use Matrix headlights, LEDs/HIDs took a while to get here.
Is it also true the tracing indicators are not allowed in the US? Our new Q4 has those and the matrix headlights and I can't understand why these would not be road legal over there?

I've also noticed American cars have to have orange reflectors in the headlights or near them which is something we don't see in Europe. Interesting how different regions have different regulations.
 

JT2002TJ

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Is it also true the tracing indicators are not allowed in the US? Our new Q4 has those and the matrix headlights and I can't understand why these would not be road legal over there?

I've also noticed American cars have to have orange reflectors in the headlights or near them which is something we don't see in Europe. Interesting how different regions have different regulations.

Not sure what tracing indicators are, so I'm assuming they are illegal here currently. We have to have approval from our NTSB before these kinds of things become DOT approved. If not, every manufacture would just develop something, without proper testing and they would be all over our roads. There are a LOT of new car sales in the US, second only to China.

Tesla and some German manufactures are trying to get approval for Matrix headlights. Newer model Tesla's come with them, but the feature just turned off.

Just like, there are countries where Tesla can't allow FSD, because local government regulations haven't approved them, while it is deployed here in the US (but requires driver input or nagging).

We have to have orange reflectors on the side of vehicles towards the front. Most manufacturers just put it in the headlight sides to comply, but like German cars do, having it on the front wing is also compliant. We are allowed to have our rear indicators be red, so our brake light on the turning side can flash to indicate direction, but in other countries that isn't legal as they must be amber.
 
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adrianlondon

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Not sure what tracing indicators are
aka sequential indicators.


... "American market imported cars may not get sequential LED indicators for some time, as the US regulations specify a minimum lighting area per bulb and if they light up individually in a sequence, each single LED is counted as a bulb."
 

JT2002TJ

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aka sequential indicators.


... "American market imported cars may not get sequential LED indicators for some time, as the US regulations specify a minimum lighting area per bulb and if they light up individually in a sequence, each single LED is counted as a bulb."

That's what I was guessing they were, but my quick google search didn't find it. People put sequential indicators on, but yeah, they are NOT legal (as far as I know).

EDIT: They may be legal, with some limitations...
 
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