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The-Real-Deal82

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Always China! I suppose some of the Chinese cars might be 100% produced in one country.
Hopefully the UK’s battery production actually happens this time!

China is always viable because labour is cheaper, output is higher per hour and they obey processes and QC better than European workers believe it or not in many cases. Raw material is cheaper in the far east, especially high tensile steels and I think we’d manufacture everything out there if customers didn’t want a split supply chain.

That’s good news about the JLR battery factory in Somerset isn’t it? Hopefully drive more manufacturers to locate in the UK in the coming years.
 

Apple fanboy

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China is always viable because labour is cheaper, output is higher per hour and they obey processes and QC better than European workers believe it or not in many cases. Raw material is cheaper in the far east, especially high tensile steels and I think we’d manufacture everything out there if customers didn’t want a split supply chain.

That’s good news about the JLR battery factory in Somerset isn’t it? Hopefully drive more manufacturers to locate in the UK in the coming years.
Agreed.

A very interesting video on the polarisation of reporting about EV's. A little UK centric, but I think there are some very valid points. A longer video but worth the watch if you have the time.
 

Tagbert

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That was last September - why does it not apply now? Has California upgraded their infrastructure in the past 10 months?
For one thing, it was a short term, temporary request during a massive heat wave. Once that heat wave passed, electrical usage returned to normal. In the meantime, it is likely that CA utilities have increased their capacity through additional wind and solar as that is where the power supply increases are happening the fastest.

What is your interest in that particular emergency request?
 
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kingtj1971

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I’ve only driven my current car which is automatic. Every other one I drove was manual. I plant my left foot on the foot rest to keep myself looking for a phantom clutch pedal.
But it’s amazing how quickly you get used to one foot driving. I don’t even use the brake pedal all that often.
I know personally? I've always had a bit of a challenge with "fine motor skills". In fact, when I was a kid, my parents were worried I wouldn't ever be able to do a lot of things I eventually got pretty good at, like typing at a decent speed. But I can definitely tell there are certain activities where I just have a tougher time than most people I know. (I got into playing guitar, for example -- but despite playing it for over a decade? I just could never do the "speed picking" that all my peers got good at, and I just can't get coordinated enough with it to play some of it without looking at where my fingers are, on the fretboard.) Driving a stick was always another one of those challenges for me. I can tell when the engine RPMs are right to do a shift. But I'm really bad with the whole coordination thing working the clutch and everything else. I'm sure if I kept at it, I could get decent enough at it. But the experience of stalling the car out in dangerous places on busy roads, fighting with hills, etc.? It just turned me off wanting to practice it any further. I feel like the technology is here for automatics to work perfectly fine, so why not take advantage of it?

Now that I've had an EV for years and did the one pedal driving, I agree. That feels incredibly natural to me and only took me about 5 minutes to get the hang of it, when I first tried it. My Bolt EV annoys me because it won't start out in that mode as a default. I always have to shift into "L" to get it to use one-pedal mode.
 

jz0309

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Now that I've had an EV for years and did the one pedal driving, I agree. That feels incredibly natural to me and only took me about 5 minutes to get the hang of it, when I first tried it. My Bolt EV annoys me because it won't start out in that mode as a default. I always have to shift into "L" to get it to use one-pedal mode.
interesting, in my 2022 Bolt EUV it stays in OPD, they might have changed that for the EUV or for the 2022 and later models. I love OPD
 

kingtj1971

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interesting, in my 2022 Bolt EUV it stays in OPD, they might have changed that for the EUV or for the 2022 and later models. I love OPD
Yeah, I bet they did change it. My Bolt has a really annoying shifter layout too, which I'm told was changed with the EUV and newer Bolt EVs as well. You have to hold down this side button before it lets you shift gears. Pretty non-intuitive since there's a second button on the top of the shifter, which on every other automatic I've seen is the one you hold down to shift. On my Bolt though? The top button immediately puts the car in park. Then, to put the car in reverse? They make you press the shifter up and then to the left. Simply pressing it up but not to the left will put it in neutral, but only if you hold it up for a couple seconds. Push down for drive, and press down twice in a row to go to "L", which is what they use for the one pedal driving mode.
 

jz0309

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Yeah, I bet they did change it. My Bolt has a really annoying shifter layout too, which I'm told was changed with the EUV and newer Bolt EVs as well. You have to hold down this side button before it lets you shift gears. Pretty non-intuitive since there's a second button on the top of the shifter, which on every other automatic I've seen is the one you hold down to shift. On my Bolt though? The top button immediately puts the car in park. Then, to put the car in reverse? They make you press the shifter up and then to the left. Simply pressing it up but not to the left will put it in neutral, but only if you hold it up for a couple seconds. Push down for drive, and press down twice in a row to go to "L", which is what they use for the one pedal driving mode.
no shifter anymore, buttons to pull (drive, reverse) or push (park, OPD on/off)
 
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jz0309

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One of the two BMW’s. The other was an ix1 I believe.
ok, you confused me then, 3 Teslas and 1 BMW are EVs, 1 BMW and 1 MG are ICE - that makes EVs the majority, actually double the # of ICE ... EVs are winning ;)

Yesterday we had a 50/50 split on EV’s to ICE cars at work. 3 Tesla’s, 2 BMW’s and an MG.
 

JT2002TJ

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ok, you confused me then, 3 Teslas and 1 BMW are EVs, 1 BMW and 1 MG are ICE - that makes EVs the majority, actually double the # of ICE ... EVs are winning ;)

Yesterday we had a 50/50 split on EV’s to ICE cars at work. 3 Tesla’s, 2 BMW’s and an MG.

I believe he listed the EV's, not the ICE. One of the two EV BMW's was his i3.
 

JT2002TJ

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oh I see, didn't know that MG has an EV, you don't see many MGs in California ;)

Yeah, I only happen to know MGs have EV's because he mentioned them in the past. Although I am a lot closer, being in NY, I also am England/Euro EV dumb... Just what we see here in NYC area.
 

cyb3rdud3

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Jun 22, 2014
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My wife drives our Polestar daily, but mine is a 5.0 supercharger Range Rover. Love it, love the power, but will get an EV version when they finally release one.
 

MmkLucario

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It would be interesting to see how an electric car would work in Alaska. It would definitely work for driving around Anchorage, but for long distances, I’m not sure.
 

culo77

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It would be interesting to see how an electric car would work in Alaska. It would definitely work for driving around Anchorage, but for long distances, I’m not sure.

That is on the nose for the saying "use the correct tool for the job". Yes an EV in Alaska can be done, but is it the correct tool for the job?

Same as the new EV pickup trucks that folks want to use as a "pickup truck". yes it can be done but it's the wrong tool for the job. But the reverse can be said for ICE pickup trucks being used for "status symbol" and not "pickup truck" stuff. Before I get flamed, my i3 with the rear seats folded can get more bags of mulch in it than the average F150 driver who the most pickup-y thing they do is that and once every 2 years get something from the home center that would only fit in a pickup.
 
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MmkLucario

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That is on the nose for the saying "use the correct tool for the job". Yes an EV in Alaska can be done, but is it the correct tool for the job?

Same as the new EV pickup trucks that folks want to use as a "pickup truck". yes it can be done but it's the wrong tool for the job. But the reverse can be said for ICE pickup trucks being used for "status symbol" and not "pickup truck" stuff. Before I get flamed, my i3 with the rear seats folded can get more bags of mulch in it than the average F150 driver who the most pickup-y thing they do is that and once every 2 years get something from the home center that would only fit in a pickup.
Yep. If you’re in the cities in Alaska, an electric car as a commuter car would do just fine, you would just need to be careful in the winter, especially Fairbanks, where the snow can get pretty deep.

I agree, if you have a truck, use it like a truck (going on bumpy roads with a load, hauling stuff, towing, etc). Otherwise, what’s the point? Might as well get a sports car.

Edit: Plus, in the winter, especially when it’s dark, it’s very reassuring and a morale booster when you hear the truck start.
 
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Clix Pix

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That is on the nose for the saying "use the correct tool for the job". Yes an EV in Alaska can be done, but is it the correct tool for the job?

Same as the new EV pickup trucks that folks want to use as a "pickup truck". yes it can be done but it's the wrong tool for the job. But the reverse can be said for ICE pickup trucks being used for "status symbol" and not "pickup truck" stuff. Before I get flamed, my i3 with the rear seats folded can get more bags of mulch in it than the average F150 driver who the most pickup-y thing they do is that and once every 2 years get something from the home center that would only fit in a pickup.
It really baffles me that in my suburban condominium apartment complex, where the apartments are fairly small, that there are so many people who live here who drive pickup trucks, jeeps and large SUVs. WHY??

This is a development where the majority of residents/owners are singles or couples -- it's not a place built for or meant for families (although now thanks to continuously rising single family dwelling costs there are a few here with one or even two children). This is also a site where landscaping and maintenance tasks are handled by others, so no need for any resident to be making frequent trips to the garden center or the super-economy-sized Home Depot hardware store or wherever to purchase and haul home heavy, large loads.... We aren't living out in the country -- this is a very close-in suburb of our Nation's Capitol. We also are not homesteading on one or more acres of land, we are living in multifamily buildings, each positioned on very small lots.

It truly is a mystery to me why these people feel they need such huge vehicles.....
 
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Apple fanboy

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It would be interesting to see how an electric car would work in Alaska. It would definitely work for driving around Anchorage, but for long distances, I’m not sure.
There are edge cases where EV’s will struggle for sure at the moment.
But they are the edge cases. What % of the US live in Alaska?
But sadly everyone focuses on the edge cases rather than the majority who would do just fine with an EV.
Meanwhile we all have to breathe in the crap that petrol and diesel chug out.
 
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