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Not sure that rings true tbh. A vast amount of electricity is used to produce fuel. It’s also better to make more efficient power plants than efficient engines. I think Toyota have lost a vast amount of market share by being slow to adopt BEVs.
That said in some parts of the world Hybrids will make more sense. Australia being one. But for me I would never buy a hybrid.
Spouse isnt ready for a BEV. But may get a hybrid. She likes the CR-V. I believe hybrids give up a lot but that’s me.
 
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Spouse isnt ready for a BEV. But may get a hybrid. She likes the CR-V. I believe hybrids give up a lot but that’s me.
If you have the ability to plug in at home - even just a "standard household outlet in the driveway" - maybe try to steer toward a plug-in hybrid (Toyota RAV4 Prime, Ford Escape PHEV, Kia Sportage PHEV, Hyundai Tucson PHEV are all roughly comparable to the CR-V.) Can get a taste of "full EV" for around town driving/commute, while still having the "refuel fast basically anywhere" aspect of gas to alleviate potential "range anxiety." They can be great "gateway vehicles."

A BMW i3 REx for a couple years convinced my wife to make our next care a pure EV.
 
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Here in Australia, where EV infrastructure is negligible, my personal choice would be a hybrid. In fact, Toyota recently came out with some interesting comments on June 11th:

Toyota makes startling comments about EVs
Toyota is famously anti-EV. Their claims have long since been debunked, they're repeating old bogus claims.

Note: I am all for more small compact "city size" EVs that weigh little and have small batteries - negating all of Toyota's claimed problems. But no company seems to want to even *TRY* to sell them in the US. The Mini Cooper SE and Fiat 500e are basically it.
 
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Toyota is famously anti-EV. Their claims have long since been debunked, they're repeating old bogus claims.

Note: I am all for more small compact "city size" EVs that weigh little and have small batteries - negating all of Toyota's claimed problems. But no company seems to want to even *TRY* to sell them in the US. The Mini Cooper SE and Fiat 500e are basically it.
The Chevy Bolt was/still is the perfect city car….. too bad Chevy killed it. I bought a 2022 Chevy Bolt EUV for my kid to drive, and loved it so much I picked up an extra 2023 Chevy Bolt 2LT for my own city car when I heard they were being discontinued. It’s great to run errands around town in, 250 mile range, and it was $23k out the door for the top trim with leather.
 
I agree. The flaw to Tesla's plan (to me at least) was it required the dealer to install it. It isn't as simple as putting it in the bed and connecting a simple harness.

For me, the design should be self-contained. The user should be able to install it (ceiling harness in garage) and it should have its own internal thermal management with a cooling fan (electronic trans cooler). It would make sense that in the summer the owner would need to keep the bed open so there is adequate cooling.

The problem would be, when not in use, and removed from the bed, how do you maintain it? There are people who would need that range extender enough that they would leave it in all the time, but I would assume this group is smaller than what would be needed to recoup R&D + manufacturing for them.

Since Tesla has access to SOOOO much user data, I bet they looked at current CT battery usage and saw how small this actual number would be. If I was in charge of the project, that is what I would do. Look at CT charging of existing customers and see how often users charge to >80% and drive until needing to charge again while a trailer is connected (trailer plug connected). I'll bet this was such a small subset of owners, just like most other 1/2 ton pickups...
I think the best scenario for this kind of extended battery pack would be a something that you rented when needed and returned when you didn’t. It would need to be easy to mount and easy to attach. You would just pay for it when you needed it and would not need to carry it around all the time.
 
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Interesting, must be tight streets I suppose which I know are common over there, no issues like that with my Ioniq 5 here.
A few years back I had a Volvo XC90 as a rental car in Germany, there were a couple streets I couldn’t get through ;)
The I5 does have a large turning radius but no worse than some other cars I’ve driven or owned. It’s not a major problem, but something you need to take into account if you need to do something like turn around on a roadway.
 
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Not sure that rings true tbh. A vast amount of electricity is used to produce fuel. It’s also better to make more efficient power plants than efficient engines. I think Toyota have lost a vast amount of market share by being slow to adopt BEVs.
That said in some parts of the world Hybrids will make more sense. Australia being one. But for me I would never buy a hybrid.
I agree. In Australia, with the long distances some people drive regularly, the lack of charging stations located outside of hotels and motels, the inadequate number of charging points at those very stations, and the time it takes to 'fill up' an EV, I personally would grab a hybrid if I could ever afford it. I would choose a Toyota, given their enviable reliability track record, nationwide parts availability, and the fact that they've been producing hybrids for around 30 years. If I still lived in the city (which I happily to have escaped a few years ago now), and drove to close by services or to commute, I still would baulk at all electric, given I'd again be stuck with a vehicle only good for those short distance purposes, locking myself out of long road trips.
 
The Chevy Bolt was/still is the perfect city car….. too bad Chevy killed it. I bought a 2022 Chevy Bolt EUV for my kid to drive, and loved it so much I picked up an extra 2023 Chevy Bolt 2LT for my own city car when I heard they were being discontinued. It’s great to run errands around town in, 250 mile range, and it was $23k out the door for the top trim with leather.
I thought Chevrolet said they were bringing back the Bolt? It seemed like such a cool compact EV. I too was disappointed when I heard they were going to discontinue it.

But Chevy is not in my good graces at the moment so I guess it wouldn't matter to me either way.
 
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We have so much more choice when it comes to EV’s in Europe. At the charging station yesterday on the way back there was a Lotus driver complaining about how he only gets 300 miles range. I was thinking I’d love to swap with you!
He hadn’t had it long and had no idea how to use the ionoty charger. I also had to show someone else who didn’t seem to understand the very simple instructions. Does make you wonder how they operate an actual car!
 
I thought Chevrolet said they were bringing back the Bolt? It seemed like such a cool compact EV. I too was disappointed when I heard they were going to discontinue it.

But Chevy is not in my good graces at the moment so I guess it wouldn't matter to me either way.
They are planning to bring it back as a second generation, but as a larger, much more expensive car. And who knows if they decide to delay or cancel it because of US’s recent slowdown in EV adoption and/or the government’s plan to get rid of the $7500 EV tax credit.
 
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Here in Australia, where EV infrastructure is negligible, my personal choice would be a hybrid. In fact, Toyota recently came out with some interesting comments on June 11th:

Toyota makes startling comments about EVs
Well, Toyoda, they guy, stepped down as CEO and is known for these kind of comments. Toyota, the company, wants to maximize their investment into hybrids, understandable but they are missing the “trend”, esp in China.
They are who they are today because of the reliability, and EVs do shine in that space.
Time will tell
 
Spouse isnt ready for a BEV. But may get a hybrid. She likes the CR-V. I believe hybrids give up a lot but that’s me.
I had a Prius Prine PHEV 2017-2022, then a Bokt EUV and now Ioniq 5. We got a Tucson PHEV for the wife in 21, she loves it but I have to do the charging part. She enjoyed our first road trip in the I5 but she does not want an EV. It’ll take me another few years and I’m not sure I’ll be succsessful convincing her ;)
 
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Toyota is famously anti-EV. Their claims have long since been debunked, they're repeating old bogus claims.

Note: I am all for more small compact "city size" EVs that weigh little and have small batteries - negating all of Toyota's claimed problems. But no company seems to want to even *TRY* to sell them in the US. The Mini Cooper SE and Fiat 500e are basically it.
Well, there was the Bolt and Bolt EUV, actually quite successful …
 
The I5 does have a large turning radius but no worse than some other cars I’ve driven or owned. It’s not a major problem, but something you need to take into account if you need to do something like turn around on a roadway.
I guess I have to start paying attention to that ;)
 
I thought Chevrolet said they were bringing back the Bolt? It seemed like such a cool compact EV. I too was disappointed when I heard they were going to discontinue it.

But Chevy is not in my good graces at the moment so I guess it wouldn't matter to me either way.
Rumors said it would return eo 2025 as a 26 model, in the EUV for factor. Haven’t heard much about it though…
They do have the Equinox which starts at 28k so within current incentives for low 20s. So they have to very carefully position a new Bolt which is smaller…
 
Getting this this week. 2021 Long Range Y. Looking forward to moving to all EV! Once I get this in I will be selling my 2020 Outback.
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Getting this this week. 2021 Long Range Y. Looking forward to moving to all EV! Once I get this in I will be selling my 2020 Outback.
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Nice! I have a 2021 (early year) which has heated steering wheel and is a 7-seater. I have FSDs, Acceleration Boost and the same wheels as you. I added matrix headlights, carbon fiber spoiler, mud flaps and also have the roof rack (not in the picture below) as well.

If you are interested in going larger tires, I went with Michelin crossclimate 2 - 255/45/R20. They are an inch taller (0.5 above and below the axle) so they ride like the wheel size is 19". Best tires I've owned, so good, I put CC2's on my TM3 as well.

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Nice! I have a 2021 (early year) which has heated steering wheel and is a 7-seater. I have FSDs, Acceleration Boost and the same wheels as you. I added matrix headlights, carbon fiber spoiler, mud flaps and also have the roof rack (not in the picture below) as well.

If you are interested in going larger tires, I went with Michelin crossclimate 2 - 255/45/R20. They are an inch taller (0.5 above and below the axle) so they ride like the wheel size is 19". Best tires I've owned, so good, I put CC2's on my TM3 as well.

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I have the the acceleration boost and will be subscribing to the FSD. It has the heated steering wheel which will be nice in the winter for sure. I won't be adding anything to it, it is setup nicely for me with the roof racks so ready for weekly kayaking. I imagine I will have the car 3 to 5 years before we replace it.
 
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I have the the acceleration boost and will be subscribing to the FSD. It has the heated steering wheel which will be nice in the winter for sure. I won't be adding anything to it, it is setup nicely for me with the roof racks so ready for weekly kayaking. I imagine I will have the car 3 to 5 years before we replace it.

Cool cool. Well, with an EV, especially with AB, you will be replacing tires at least 1 time in those 3-5 years. CC2 are a great option, the downside is they are directional so if you want to do a regular rotation they have to dismount the tires. I plan to alternate between swapping front to back, then left to right. They are fantastic in rain, great in snow, and last a long time. They are $$, but worth it.

Oh, also, Tesla is terrible with alignments, you might want to get an alignment somewhere else asap. I have a lifetime alignment at Firestone for both my TMY and TM3. They both were off, even after paying Tesla. I think Tesla just looks at it from 30' away and goes, yup, looks good.
 
I just thought of something. I will be using my iPhone as my key. I go kayaking every Friday night. Normally I have my keys hooked to my belt and I leave my iPhone in the car. Already destroyed one and not interested in repeating that again. If I had the key card and locked my iPhone in the car will it know the phone is in there and is the key and anyone will be able to open and drive?
 
I just thought of something. I will be using my iPhone as my key. I go kayaking every Friday night. Normally I have my keys hooked to my belt and I leave my iPhone in the car. Already destroyed one and not interested in repeating that again. If I had the key card and locked my iPhone in the car will it know the phone is in there and is the key and anyone will be able to open and drive?
Just turn the iPhone off before you leave it in there.
 
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I just thought of something. I will be using my iPhone as my key. I go kayaking every Friday night. Normally I have my keys hooked to my belt and I leave my iPhone in the car. Already destroyed one and not interested in repeating that again. If I had the key card and locked my iPhone in the car will it know the phone is in there and is the key and anyone will be able to open and drive?

As mentioned, you will have to turn your phone/bluetooth off or your TMY will stay open.

Do you have an apple watch? If so, you can set your watch as a key. Because of how Apple manages the OS, the watch can shutoff the Tesla app to conserve battery power. I have a second screen with my Tesla complications (hard press, swipe left set as active screen), or I open the Tesla app on the watch and I can use my watch as the key. I use it when I am home and leave my wallet and phone inside the house.

I have an AWU 1.
 
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