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Who has or is planning to get an electric car / EV Talk
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Bonus points for getting an image with my BMW i3 in it. Even in the same colour!
A complaint of mine is that Tesla Supercharging costs were cheaper when I first got my Tesla early last year. They have skyrocketed in the last 6 months. But I think that is more of a California thing because Socal Edison now charges us:
Resulting in (Supercharging Pricing below):
I wasn't trying, I was actually looking for the image on google of the maintenance truck with a generator charging a tesla, LOL
That electricity has to be generated some how, and its been getting more and more expensive.
Actually gasoline prices after adjusting for inflation have remained pretty steady since 1978. Compared to the 60s when I was growing up gasoline is cheaper now (adjusted price $3.98 in 1962 vs $2.98 the last time I filled up a few days ago).
Gasoline Prices Adjusted for Inflation | US Inflation Calculator
Gasoline prices are often very volatile with sharp swings in what American pay at the pump. The average price of gasoline dropped nearly 17% in 2020.
www.usinflationcalculator.com
I still have my motorcycle. It is loud...
And regarding not driving stick, 99% (I'm making up a percent here) of people here in the US have never even seen a manual transmission, yet alone know how to drive one. It has been more than 1 generation that hasn't really had manual transmissions available to them. It is life... Just like young kids today aren't learning cursive.
If automatics are better than stick (faster more efficient shifting), is there really a need for stick anymore? Other than pleasure for us older people who like sticks?
If everyone types on a phone, keyboard, is there really a need for learning cursive anymore?
EVs as you know being an EV owner, just do everything better, except make loud noises... (except for shorter refueling, for now...)
When I first started living on my own, if I remember correctly, it was something like $.13/kwhr for Tier 1 and that was 2011.
Wow I found a bill from July 2013 (summer time) - 744 kW at $115:
This month 2023 we're looking at an estimated monthly bill of $281 or 937 kW - but we also have an EV and I know with the temperatures we're seeing, we'll blow way past that (AC is running like crazy today).
Yes, citing CA ISO http://www.caiso.com/TodaysOutlook/Pages/supply.html - we have a lot more renewables (solar and batteries) but we're also paying a lot more for electricity than we did just a decade ago. I think that's where a lot of the cost / charge is going to.
In the US I’m sure. Not quite the same story in the UK.Actually gasoline prices after adjusting for inflation have remained pretty steady since 1978. Compared to the 60s when I was growing up gasoline is cheaper now (adjusted price $3.98 in 1962 vs $2.98 the last time I filled up a few days ago).
Gasoline Prices Adjusted for Inflation | US Inflation Calculator
Gasoline prices are often very volatile with sharp swings in what American pay at the pump. The average price of gasoline dropped nearly 17% in 2020.
This was last year but it has stuck with me
Amid Heat Wave, California Asks Electric Vehicle Owners to Limit Charging
How many states are actually increasing energy production to account for more and more EV vehicles?
Everything was cheaper last year.
Just been a bad one for many reasons.
This is a concern where you run AC all night. But in the UK that is very rare. So the majority of charging is done when the grid is at its quietest. That’s why we rarely have to fire up the coal power stations anymore.
I remember both Socal Edison and Tesla begging us not to charge last year. Since we rely on a 110v outlet we really didn't have a choice, but we never charge between 4-9pm anyway because of Socal Edison's Time of Use plans. I do remember the Flex Alerts like crazy last year, lol.
Very good question. I would love to know.
Here we have to run AC all night.
This is for the State of California. It's not till midnight that things start calming down electric wise. Between 3pm-11pm we have our heaviest usage. And that's just to keep the house around 78F because of our 105F days here where we are.
Socal Edison is trying to discourage usage / recoup costs between 4-9pm with their time of use plan ($.66/kWh between those hours).
Yes sorry I meant to say US, I know it is much more expensive over there but I don’t have any idea from an historical perspective.
So here most electricity companies offer cheaper charging off peak. Some even have a service where they control when it charges at night to spread them out.
But I change at work where it’s free. Makes Mrs AFB slightly more happy about the cost of the car!
And how many times do you need to drive those great distances? Your point is valid but it's not a big deal as people would think. I have driven from Austin, TX to Orlando, FL without issues. The car helps you plan your drive stopping by Superchargers that are usually located where you would usually stop for food or fill up on gas anyway. By the time you finish eating or taking a dump - you should be good to go.
I read that we could switch the whole UK fleet to electric and we would only need to take generation back to 2002 levels.
I seen this years ago.
watchdocumentaries.com
Who Killed the Electric Car? (2006) | WatchDocumentaries.com
Documentary showing how an innovation aimed at eliminating the need for gasoline to fuel cars in the 1990s was squelched by the automotive industry.
watchdocumentaries.com
Yes, CA ask people to reduce their electricity usage during the later afternoon and early evening when it was hotest and the draw for A/C was greatest. This was during an historic heat wave when A/C usage was at an all time high. That kind of heat wave is exactly the thing that we are trying to combat by reducing CO2 production.
Certainly we will need more electricity for EVs but the last estimate I saw was that it would only need to increase by about 2% annually to keep up with increased demand.
Electric cars won't overload the power grid — and they could even help modernize our aging infrastructure
Some conservatives say California can't possibly power millions more electric cars. Energy experts beg to differ.
www.autoblog.com
Yes, that was in interesting prototype that showed GM some of what it takes to build and EV but it was too early for widespread adoption at that time as the tech and manufacturing just were not ready. I’m sure that some of that learning went into GM’s next EV the Volt and then later in their Bolt. Now they are on their 4th iteration in the Ultium platform.I seen this years ago.
Who Killed the Electric Car? (2006) | WatchDocumentaries.com
Documentary showing how an innovation aimed at eliminating the need for gasoline to fuel cars in the 1990s was squelched by the automotive industry.
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