Who has or is planning to get an electric car / EV Talk

[BigMcGuire]

Tesla owner here... So while I'm happy that the Tesla charging cable is being adopted by all the manufacturers I fully expect/demand that Tesla at least double the number of chargers. Already Superchargers can get fairly crowded especially when you need them the most. Add in cars that won't know which charger to use when you back into a SuperCharger (something I already see (us Teslas have our charging ports all on the same side so it's obvious to us which one to use)).

But I also have to be realistic. I rarely supercharge. When I do it's usually on off hours because I don't want to pay the $.55/kWhr. But even at midnight, I got one of the last spots available (because of the $.21/kWhr cost reduction). I imagine that's only going to get even more crowded over the next few years.

So yeah, Tesla better at least double the # of chargers over the next few years. But I'm also happy for Tesla. I've seen the other charging cable types ....... lol. Very glad.

 

[kp98077]

What a strange world view you seem to have. I really feel for you if you see everything in life as negative as you paint it here.
I can’t see Tesla drivers doing anything of the sort. As always their software will guide them to available chargers as needed.

It’s not negative just the facts where I live I ALWAYS see then charging and working on their laptops. As in efficient!
And regarding Tesla opening up their own charging system most Tesla owners I know are not happy about this. Can’t blame them …

 

[JT2002TJ]

They do have competition and are not on everybody's shopping list when looking for an EV, certainly not mine. They experienced a spike in sales over the past 9 months on Europe when they lowered their prices and became more attractive on company car plans.

Company car plans was not enough to be the only reason for the spike. The MY was the number one selling vehicle in the world... It wasn't just company leasing/sales that did it. China and US sales accounted for 60%+ of this, which aren't really company car markets.

I get not everyone is a fan of Teslas, but they are killing the car game right now. It was the only EV on the top selling list.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Company car plans was not enough to be the only reason for the spike. The MY was the number one selling vehicle in the world... It wasn't just company leasing/sales that did it. China and US sales accounted for 60%+ of this, which aren't really company car markets.

I get not everyone is a fan of Teslas, but they are killing the car game right now. It was the only EV on the top selling list.

I have no idea what the percentage of compnay leases etc there are out there, I just know Tesla has suddenly become very popular now pricing is less inflated. I certainly wouldn't buy a car based on whether its in a top selling list, I make my choice based on how good it is and whether I think it commands the price point. I appreciate they are popular and are probably the most commonly seen EV in the UK right now, another reason why I think checking other brands out is a good strategy.

 

[cyb3rdud3]

Company car plans was not enough to be the only reason for the spike. The MY was the number one selling vehicle in the world... It wasn't just company leasing/sales that did it. China and US sales accounted for 60%+ of this, which aren't really company car markets.

I get not everyone is a fan of Teslas, but they are killing the car game right now. It was the only EV on the top selling list.

Ford and Toyota also sell huge volumes, but that is just what it is, large volumes. They don't even come into my mind as competition.

Or in the spirit of this forum, take Apple. By volume, not even close to sales of Android devices worldwide.

 

[JT2002TJ]

I have no idea what the percentage of compnay leases etc there are out there, I just know Tesla has suddenly become very popular now pricing is less inflated. I certainly wouldn't buy a car based on whether its in a top selling list, I make my choice based on how good it is and whether I think it commands the price point. I appreciate they are popular and are probably the most commonly seen EV in the UK right now, another reason why I think checking other brands out is a good strategy.

I just mean to say, I see no reason they would stop selling vehicles. They are killing it, and ramping up production of vehicles. They are adding new factories to produce these increased volumes.

 

[JT2002TJ]

Ford and Toyota also sell huge volumes, but that is just what it is, large volumes. They don't even come into my mind as competition.

Or in the spirit of this forum, take Apple. By volume, not even close to sales of Android devices worldwide.

Correct. But, the undisputed king of vehicle sales for a while has been the Toyota corolla (with all the variations of names). Not everyone wants a corolla, but the numbers don't lie, more people want them than any other vehicle, until Tesla knocked them off for that quarter.

To tie your example to the point I was trying to make, in your example (ignoring the fact that Android is an OS not a manufacturer), the point I was making was imagine someone saying that Samsung, who is an appliance company, and the number 1 manufacture of cell phones was going to stop making cell phones and focus on their appliances. That would make no sense at all... They have a responsibility to their stockholders, why would they leave a market they are the top of? All while spending money on capital projects to increase production numbers?

 

[4sallypat]

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What it looks like (see last day on right) - when I charge my Tesla at my friend's 50 amp level 2 charger vs our 110v 15/20 amp home/work charging (ALL DAY). . I arrived at his house at 8:30am at 33%, plugged in, and was fully charged in under 4 hours (rate was 11 kWh).

Must be nice, lol.

Yes, that's a 48A charger.
My 48A Emporia delivers 11kW and charges my Mustang Mach E in less than 6 hours.
I make sure I charge only on low / off peak hours.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

It’s not negative just the facts where I live I ALWAYS see then charging and working on their laptops. As in efficient!
And regarding Tesla opening up their own charging system most Tesla owners I know are not happy about this. Can’t blame them …

I wouldn't imagine they are happy as there wil be more demand for their chargers, but its a positive for the EV community in general as it removes the proprietary aspect for Tesla's. The Tesla network is already open here in the UK but most of the people I know with EV's rarely need to use it anyway.

 

[JT2002TJ]

I wouldn't imagine they are happy as there wil be more demand for their chargers, but its a positive for the EV community in general as it removes the proprietary aspect for Tesla's. The Tesla network is already open here in the UK but most of the people I know with EV's rarely need to use it anyway.

I am a 2x Tesla owner, who is happy. I imagine most Tesla owners with L2 home charging are happy with opening up the network, it is only those who rely on Tesla L3 charging as their primary source of juice that I see may have issues in the short term (the transition period). This will give Tesla the funds to expand their very successful network...

I just ordered a CCS adapter for my NACS CCS installed TMY. I only did it because I installed a trailer hitch so I can pull my 6x12 utility trailer. I want to keep my options open as I expect to only get about a 100 mile range when towing. My TM3 is not CCS installed, and I seen no need to get the retrofit in my areas of travel.

I will be happy to be able to toss out my J1772 adapters in the future.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I am a 2x Tesla owner, who is happy. I imagine most Tesla owners with L2 home charging are happy with opening up the network, it is only those who rely on Tesla L3 charging as their primary source of juice that I see may have issues in the short term (the transition period). This will give Tesla the funds to expand their very successful network...

I just ordered a CCS adapter for my NACS CCS installed TMY. I only did it because I installed a trailer hitch so I can pull my 6x12 utility trailer. I want to keep my options open as I expect to only get about a 100 mile range when towing. My TM3 is not CCS installed, and I seen no need to get the retrofit in my areas of travel.

I will be happy to be able to toss out my J1772 adapters in the future.

I can't speak on behalf of Tesla owners or US citizens so take back what I said about imagining etc. Glad you're happy as its a positive solution I would say. It also makes other brands more desirable over there and that is great for the EV market on the whole.

 

[Apple fanboy]

I wouldn't imagine they are happy as there wil be more demand for their chargers, but its a positive for the EV community in general as it removes the proprietary aspect for Tesla's. The Tesla network is already open here in the UK but most of the people I know with EV's rarely need to use it anyway.

Only a small number of Tesla charging destinations are open to all. About three I believe at the moment.

 

[Apple fanboy]

Only a small number of Tesla charging destinations are open to all. About three I believe at the moment.

In the UK I mean.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Only a small number of Tesla charging destinations are open to all. About three I believe at the moment.

Yeah I know, I think it was discussed here a few weeks back. Banbury is one of them, my home town.

 

[Apple fanboy]

Yeah I know, I think it was discussed here a few weeks back. Banbury is one of them, my home town.

I’ve never used one.
But I don’t often charge away from work!

 

[4sallypat]

In the UK I mean.

In the US, there are only a few chargers that have the NACS to CCS1 adapter called the Magic Dock.

NY and CA are the only ones Tesla is allowing non Tesla EVs to charge.

I am ready with the Tesla app if they ever open it up in So Calif.

 

[jerryk]

I am a 2x Tesla owner, who is happy. I imagine most Tesla owners with L2 home charging are happy with opening up the network, it is only those who rely on Tesla L3 charging as their primary source of juice that I see may have issues in the short term (the transition period). This will give Tesla the funds to expand their very successful network...

I just ordered a CCS adapter for my NACS CCS installed TMY. I only did it because I installed a trailer hitch so I can pull my 6x12 utility trailer. I want to keep my options open as I expect to only get about a 100 mile range when towing. My TM3 is not CCS installed, and I seen no need to get the retrofit in my areas of travel.

I will be happy to be able to toss out my J1772 adapters in the future.

Have you tried one of CCS to NACS adapters? I have one in one of our cars but have never found a use for it in the year or so that I have had it. But I don't tow.

I am more interested in whether they work. Mine is from Tesla South Korea. I should probably just try it some place, so I do not find it does not work on a dark and stormy night.

 

[jerryk]

Company car plans was not enough to be the only reason for the spike. The MY was the number one selling vehicle in the world... It wasn't just company leasing/sales that did it. China and US sales accounted for 60%+ of this, which aren't really company car markets.

I get not everyone is a fan of Teslas, but they are killing the car game right now. It was the only EV on the top selling list.

Definitely popular. The Model Y (300K+) trails only the Ford F-150 (fossil fuel) in Q2 sales. I think every one of my neighbors bought a Model Y. But, we were rebels and went with a Model 3.

 

[JT2002TJ]

Have you tried one of CCS to NACS adapters? I have one in one of our cars but have never found a use for it in the year or so that I have had it. But I don't tow.

I am more interested in whether they work. Mine is from Tesla South Korea. I should probably just try it some place, so I do not find it does not work on a dark and stormy night.

My understanding is they work, the issue still is non-Tesla chargers are hit or miss. I ordered the adapter from Amazon.

 

[JT2002TJ]

Definitely popular. The Model Y (300K+) trails only the Ford F-150 (fossil fuel) in Q2 sales. I think every one of my neighbors bought a Model Y. But, we were rebels and went with a Model 3.

I started with the 3 in January. Jumped to the Y last month. So, one of each in my stable.

 

[Apple fanboy]

In the US, there are only a few chargers that have the NACS to CCS1 adapter called the Magic Dock.

NY and CA are the only ones Tesla is allowing non Tesla EVs to charge.

I am ready with the Tesla app if they ever open it up in So Calif.

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We don’t need an adapter in Europe as the Tesla’s use a different connector here. Keeps it simple.

 

[diamond.g]

We don’t need an adapter in Europe as the Tesla’s use a different connector here. Keeps it simple.

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It does help that the EU/UK mandated everyone use the same connector. Plus you guys have 3 phase power which our connectors don't support.

 

[Apple fanboy]

It does help that the EU/UK mandated everyone use the same connector. Plus you guys have 3 phase power which our connectors don't support.

Indeed. If we had all had one standard from the beginning it would have been so much better.
We still have some of the old chadamo ones here that was off old Nissan Leaf’s I believe.

 

[JT2002TJ]

Indeed. If we had all had one standard from the beginning it would have been so much better.
We still have some of the old chadamo ones here that was off old Nissan Leaf’s I believe.

I agree. It really would have made things a lot easier.

I do prefer the US Tesla plug in size and features. The NACS plug is smaller, easier to plug in and unplug, and lock in place. It would have been nice if that was the standard, but Tesla didn't open it up in time, and I blame Tesla for that...

(I am assuming the Euro standard was implemented after Tesla developed NACS)

 

[Apple fanboy]

I agree. It really would have made things a lot easier.

I do prefer the US Tesla plug in size and features. The NACS plug is smaller, easier to plug in and unplug, and lock in place. It would have been nice if that was the standard, but Tesla didn't open it up in time, and I blame Tesla for that...

(I am assuming the Euro standard was implemented after Tesla developed NACS)

We needed the larger plug due to three phase power etc. uk plugs are all 240 volts so we needed a different system.