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4sallypat

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Probably the reverse as manufacturers announce their intent to eliminate ICE versions. Honda, General Motors, etc. At least that is their intention

Yes especially when certain manufacturers have stated 100% EV production in the near future like Volvo / Polestar...
 
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BigMcGuire

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What it looks like (see last day on right) - when I charge my Tesla at my friend's 50 amp level 2 charger vs our 110v 15/20 amp home/work charging (ALL DAY). :p. I arrived at his house at 8:30am at 33%, plugged in, and was fully charged in under 4 hours (rate was 11 kWh).

Must be nice, lol.
 

kp98077

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How do you know that person is old? Lol. How random.
Of course you’re entitled to your opinion but so are others and mine is I am suspicious that you’ve ever owned a Q4 if I’m honest. Some of your criticisms just don’t correlate with my own experience and those of the reviewers I have watched about the car, and I’ve done an immense about of research on the Q4 since we committed to one. You also couldn’t provide a picture of it when requested and we all know with the internet it’s very easy to claim something that isn’t necessarily true. Enjoy your SQ5 or Ford Focus, whatever the reality may be.
Of course I owned one. Also owned a regular e Tron before as well. Mainly because where the batteries sit along the bottom that provides for a bumpy ride. Also doest have air suspension in Q4. Just wasn’t that impressed …design was also very ugly IMO (marshmallow)
 

phillytim

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If you are on the interstate highway along the west coast, it is not hard to charge unless you are limited to Level 2 or maybe a slow charger like 50Kw. There are plenty of chargers along I-5. Yes, it can get tricky if you head into the mountains or past, but even there, places like Leavenworth have fast chargers.

I think you all should watch the PBS NOVA "Chasing Carbon Zero", which aired a few months ago - and see how difficult the guy had keeping his EV charged on a trip from LA to SF.

The referenced part begins around 43:46 in this 2023 documentary: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/video/chasing-carbon-zero

Eventually conditions will improve ... but the key word is always "eventually".
 

phillytim

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Probably the reverse as manufacturers announce their intent to eliminate ICE versions. Honda, General Motors, etc. At least that is their intention

Intentions/plans always take longer than fruition. Always.
 

The-Real-Deal82

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Of course I owned one. Also owned a regular e Tron before as well. Mainly because where the batteries sit along the bottom that provides for a bumpy ride. Also doest have air suspension in Q4. Just wasn’t that impressed …design was also very ugly IMO (marshmallow)
Your unimpressed is my impressed. The advantage of having the batteries low on the chassis is that the cargo area is much bigger and gives the car a lower centre of gravity, meaning it is much more stable on the road. For me that is a bonus but thanks for finally sharing, I was hoping my comment would give you a nudge ;). You had an entry level spec too by the looks, but looks like a nice looking car to me.
 
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The-Real-Deal82

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Our Q4 won't be ready before we go away on holiday and the Q8 they had has now been sold. We are picking up a diesel A7 sports edition on a 2 week loaner, so at least we don't have to consider charging for what would have been our first long run with an EV. Planning to pick the Q4 up on the 5th or 7th of August.
 

kp98077

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I think you all should watch the PBS NOVA "Chasing Carbon Zero", which aired a few months ago - and see how difficult the guy had keeping his EV charged on a trip from LA to SF.

The referenced part begins around 43:46 in this 2023 documentary: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/video/chasing-carbon-zero

Eventually conditions will improve ... but the key word is always "eventually".
yes, I did watch that and very true. I know everyone is very excited about EV, but unless it's a Tesla, to travel with an EV far (>200 miles) is a complete pain. Chargers broken, slow, not available when show up, not enough, too many variable - in short, not trustworthy. We are a good 5-10 years off - I may reconsider then but until then going to enjoy and love my SQ5!!
 
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xaqt93

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I might have commented on it earlier, but I have an electric car and I love it. I won't ever go back to gas. I don't have a Tesla...mainly because it didn't have Apple Car Play, but I have a Nissan Leaf, and it works great! I don't need the giant range that some people need or want, and it charges pretty fast. So I am happy with it.
 

dmr727

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Our plan is to have a plug in hybrid for the occasional long trip and then a full EV for the other car. We're still at least a year away before we move to the burbs and have a proper charging situation, so we figure we'll deal with the actual selection of vehicles then.

That said I've been eyeballing the i4 for an EV, although my midlife crisis is holding out for the EV Cayman due in 2025. We'll see what happens.
 

jz0309

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Our plan is to have a plug in hybrid for the occasional long trip and then a full EV for the other car. We're still at least a year away before we move to the burbs and have a proper charging situation, so we figure we'll deal with the actual selection of vehicles then.

That said I've been eyeballing the i4 for an EV, although my midlife crisis is holding out for the EV Cayman due in 2025. We'll see what happens.
exactly our current setup: Hyundai Tucson PHEV and Bolt EUV - works very well for us!
 

jerryk

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yeah, it was the 40 model so not fully loaded. But a heat pump is not going to significantly going to change the range. a range of say best case 280 miles to me is horrible... that gets you from Seattle to Vancouver, then stuck there trying to figure out where to charge and that IF all the chargers arent taken, even then it takes 8 hours! EV need sto come a LONG way for it's adapted via the masses unless maybe a Tesla?
Seattle to Vancouver is pretty straightforward for a Tesla. There are lot of Superchargers in Seattle and in Vancouver. Along I-5 there are Superchargers at Edmond, Bryant, Allen, and right before the border. But you might not need any of those since downtown Seattle to downtown Vancouver is only 150 miles, well with the range of all Teslas. Once in the greater Vancouver area there some in the city and burbs and on 1 from North Vancouver to the East and Vancouver, Burnaby, Surrey, Abbotsford, etc.

During the trip the car will tell you your range at arrival taking into account your previous consumption, speed, terrain, etc. Also, it will show how many charging stalls are free at the various chargers.
 
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jerryk

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yes, I did watch that and very true. I know everyone is very excited about EV, but unless it's a Tesla, to travel with an EV far (>200 miles) is a complete pain. Chargers broken, slow, not available when show up, not enough, too many variable - in short, not trustworthy. We are a good 5-10 years off - I may reconsider then but until then going to enjoy and love my SQ5!!
The charger issue for non-Tesla should clear up soon now that most manufactures are moving to the NACS standard that Tesla uses and have signed agreements to use Tesla Superchargers.

I think I have seen only one nonfunctional charging stand at a Supercharger. And the app showed that and the number free stands before I got there.
 

PatrickCocoa

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I think you all should watch the PBS NOVA "Chasing Carbon Zero", which aired a few months ago - and see how difficult the guy had keeping his EV charged on a trip from LA to SF.

The referenced part begins around 43:46 in this 2023 documentary: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/video/chasing-carbon-zero

Eventually conditions will improve ... but the key word is always "eventually".
I've driven my EV from Austin, Texas to San Francisco, California with no problems. That's 1,300 miles (2,100 kilometers) farther than LA to SF. Also Austin to Omaha, Nebraska several time, Austin to Albuquerque, New Mexico, Austin to Asheville, North Carolina, and a few others.

I've seen a few of these "mah EV batterrry just stopped all up! Them hose don't even fit to the recharger!" type videos. If you want this type of content, just watch the Ronco Superchopper commercials, where the poor guy can't chop vegatables, throws up his hands, and is miraculously saved by, yes, the Ronco Superchopper.

I have seven years, and tens of thousands of miles, of actual road trip experience that make me comfortable driving my EV outside of the big city.

I respond to comments in this Forum about once every six months or so, whenever there's a particularly egregious post. I've never had anyone say "hmmm your real life experience makes me think about my position on this issue, which I've developed from consuming media" but I guess there's always hope.
 

jerryk

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I think you all should watch the PBS NOVA "Chasing Carbon Zero", which aired a few months ago - and see how difficult the guy had keeping his EV charged on a trip from LA to SF.

The referenced part begins around 43:46 in this 2023 documentary: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/video/chasing-carbon-zero

Eventually conditions will improve ... but the key word is always "eventually".
In the place you referenced, notices how many more Superchargers there were. And I can pretty much guarantee any one of those would have charged his vehicle in under 20 minutes, if his F-150 was compatible. This is why Ford, GM, Volvo, Toyota, ... everyone else have announced they are abandoning CCS based chargers like the one he used to charge his Ford and moving to Tesla NACS charging standard. Then they will be able to use those plentiful Tesla chargers, that just work (99.95% uptime) and are fast (10 to 90%) in approx. 20 minutes.
 

culo77

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Our plan is to have a plug in hybrid for the occasional long trip and then a full EV for the other car. We're still at least a year away before we move to the burbs and have a proper charging situation, so we figure we'll deal with the actual selection of vehicles then.

The wife's vehicle (gas) is still going strong and she doesn't want to replace it yet. But that will be the debate when its time. do we go all EV household or Plug-in Hybrid for the 2nd car? As it sits right now it's looking like there will be no new EV's that are in the compact size. All the upcoming ones are big behemoths and the "normal" sized ones only are in Europe.
 

kp98077

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In the place you referenced, notices how many more Superchargers there were. And I can pretty much guarantee any one of those would have charged his vehicle in under 20 minutes, if his F-150 was compatible. This is why Ford, GM, Volvo, Toyota, ... everyone else have announced they are abandoning CCS based chargers like the one he used to charge his Ford and moving to Tesla NACS charging standard. Then they will be able to use those plentiful Tesla chargers, that just work (99.95% uptime) and are fast (10 to 90%) in approx. 20 minutes.
Tesla owners will not like this however. I see them sitting at the chargers working 😆
 

Apple fanboy

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Tesla owners will not like this however. I see them sitting at the chargers working 😆
What a strange world view you seem to have. I really feel for you if you see everything in life as negative as you paint it here.
I can’t see Tesla drivers doing anything of the sort. As always their software will guide them to available chargers as needed.
 
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JT2002TJ

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What a strange world view you seem to have. I really feel for you if you see everything in life as negative as you paint it here.
I can’t see Tesla drivers doing anything of the sort. As always their software will guide them to available chargers as needed.

People assume that Tesla has stopped placing new superchargers, and all of a sudden are going to just give up on growing... They are a publicly traded company on the hunt for profits.

This new standard will help Telsa exponentially grow their charger network. By 2025, you will see maybe 1.5x-2x the current number of locations and probably 2x the number of chargers, if not more. As we know, Tesla doesn't typically walk in and place 2 chargers at a location, they show up with numbers of chargers at each location.

Telsa is an energy company that happens to successfully produce cars. They bought up a lot of solar companies over the years. My solar panels are now Tesla, they also make and are selling their powerwalls.
 

The-Real-Deal82

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People assume that Tesla has stopped placing new superchargers, and all of a sudden are going to just give up on growing... They are a publicly traded company on the hunt for profits.

This new standard will help Telsa exponentially grow their charger network. By 2025, you will see maybe 1.5x-2x the current number of locations and probably 2x the number of chargers, if not more. As we know, Tesla doesn't typically walk in and place 2 chargers at a location, they show up with numbers of chargers at each location.

Telsa is an energy company that happens to successfully produce cars. They bought up a lot of solar companies over the years. My solar panels are now Tesla, they also make and are selling their powerwalls.

I think the opposite, and think their future is in the charging technology rather than making cars longterm. There is a lot of doubt over whether they’ll continue competing in the car sector and personally I think their focus is going towards a more profitable sector.
 
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cyb3rdud3

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People assume that Tesla has stopped placing new superchargers, and all of a sudden are going to just give up on growing... They are a publicly traded company on the hunt for profits.

This new standard will help Telsa exponentially grow their charger network. By 2025, you will see maybe 1.5x-2x the current number of locations and probably 2x the number of chargers, if not more. As we know, Tesla doesn't typically walk in and place 2 chargers at a location, they show up with numbers of chargers at each location.

Telsa is an energy company that happens to successfully produce cars. They bought up a lot of solar companies over the years. My solar panels are now Tesla, they also make and are selling their powerwalls.
Exactly. I’ve always said it, Tesla is an energy company. They’ve build the infrastructure, and have been opening it up successfully in Europe for a while now. And with the US following their standard they will grow even more as an energy company.

We are building/renovating our next home and a lot of the energy system will be Tesla based.

The cars are a side project. I hope they will one day make one I actually like and is of the luxury standard I demand.
 
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diamond.g

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I think the opposite, and think their future is in the charging technology rather than making cars longterm. There is a lot of doubt over whether they’ll continue competing in the car sector and personally I think their focus is going towards a more profitable sector.
Is the charging technology really that profitable? Maybe it is in the EU, but it doesn't appear that way in the US.
 
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JT2002TJ

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I think the opposite, and think their future is in the charging technology rather than making cars longterm. There is a lot of doubt over whether they’ll continue competing in the car sector and personally I think their focus is going towards a more profitable sector.

Tesla had the number 1 selling vehicle worldwide in Q1 2023 (Model Y). They are no longer trying to compete; they are THE competition...

If they aren't going to continue with the auto sector, they are really doing a terrible job of building auto plants all over the world.
 
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The-Real-Deal82

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Tesla had the number 1 selling vehicle worldwide in Q1 2023 (Model Y). They are no longer trying to compete; they are THE competition...

If they aren't going to continue with the auto sector, they are really doing a terrible job of building auto plants all over the world.
They do have competition and are not on everybody's shopping list when looking for an EV, certainly not mine. They experienced a spike in sales over the past 9 months on Europe when they lowered their prices and became more attractive on company car plans.
 
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