Yet 80% adoption in Norway? Must have a different sort of cold over there.
I feel for you with your 400 mile a day commute.
Just back from another trip down South. Quick stop after my meeting for 30 minutes whilst I bought and ate lunch.
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I feel for you with your 400 mile a day commute.
Just back from another trip down South. Quick stop after my meeting for 30 minutes whilst I bought and ate lunch.
Easy.
8 hours charge!? Get out of here, that is just silly. Many EVs are most efficient charging from say 20% to 80% which is typically well in excess of 200 miles range, or poronkusema if you like, and take no more time than it would take you to go to the toilet and/or get a drink.
yeah, problem is not me, it's the lack of fast chargers here in Seattle area. Having an EV is not rocket science. For example, if you go from Seattle to the mountains, where do you then charge? No where! Thus, you can't get back! I don't want to be limited, that simple. I just prefer the SQ5s, nothing major...
OH i guarantee you in the USA it doesn't work that way with self-chargers at home.. it is 8 hours... nuts! Again, NOT talking Tesla here..
I can appreciate the Rockies aren’t filled with them but you appear to have a few hundred of them in the Seattle area. This will only get better but it’s ultimately up to you. I’m not here to convince you to get an EV as it makes no difference to me to be honest. I won’t be replacing my second car with an EV until I absolutely have to as it’s a good car.
Wait? The facts don’t fit the narrative? That can’t be right.I can appreciate the Rockies aren’t filled with them but you appear to have a few hundred of them in the Seattle area. This will only get better but it’s ultimately up to you. I’m not here to convince you to get an EV as it makes no difference to me to be honest. I won’t be replacing my second car with an EV until I absolutely have to as it’s a good car.
If you drive around looking for chargers it’s hard to find them. But if you use the apps and websites it’s a lot clearer.
Could there be more? Absolutely. More are being added every day.
I’ll certainly never buy another ICE car. The future I think will not be one solution like in the past. I think I that many different power sources will sit alongside one another. I don’t believe it’s one size fits all.
But I do see a lot of anti EV posts and news articles that simply don’t match the facts.
What are you talking about. Level 2 chargers with any make pretty much can charge in 4 hrs or less. The only way it would be 8 hrs if you are going from 0% to 100%, which no one does. Most people who use their EVs, myself included, use up to 50 per day... Tesla or not...
I live in NY, and during the coldest days last winter (I got my M3 in January '23), it was single digits, I still only used 40%. This is a 2019 M3 WITHOUT heat pump, where I run sentry mode for 9 hours, precondition before I get to the car and drive 52 miles (3 hour commute in NYC-Long Island traffic).
Also, I have seen Telsa's driving around the NY area dealing with heavy snow, with no issues. I can't provide real world experience, since this year was a bust snow wise. But everyone I know has had no issues in NY snow, even those who go skiing, and drive their vehicles far to the mountains, drive up the mountains skii and return home.
I'm not sure I believe you even had an EV...
I loved it so much that 4 months later I got a SECOND EV, a 2021 Model Y (with heat pump) and sold all my ICEs.
When I quoted your original you weren’t talking about self chargers at home. Anyway when charging at home you do that when you sleep at low energy tariffs. Every morning you have a full battery 👍 Just imagine never having to waste time at a petrol station and starting every day magically with a full tank. Suits most people for 90% of their journeys.
IF one WANTS to make an EV work, you can ...
And i do understand that it does not suit everyone's needs, and that is fine.
For 95+% of my needs, charging overnight at home works just fine.
Where we are still lacking in terms of charging infrastructure is hotels in "touristy" areas, example Monterey CA: There is 1 EA (Electrify America, the largest DC fast charging network after Tesla, and comparatively small to Tesla) in the area, not close to any of the tourist attractions, and most of the hotels do not have any chargers. You have to plan upfront how you want to get around, when I was up there for a weekend a few months back, I did plan ahead and got to go to all places I wanted to visit.
And i do understand that it does not suit everyone's needs, and that is fine.
For 95+% of my needs, charging overnight at home works just fine.
Where we are still lacking in terms of charging infrastructure is hotels in "touristy" areas, example Monterey CA: There is 1 EA (Electrify America, the largest DC fast charging network after Tesla, and comparatively small to Tesla) in the area, not close to any of the tourist attractions, and most of the hotels do not have any chargers. You have to plan upfront how you want to get around, when I was up there for a weekend a few months back, I did plan ahead and got to go to all places I wanted to visit.
Hotels with chargers would be a big help.
I switched my regular hotel I stay at in London with one down the road as they have a bank of chargers (15 maybe). I’ll never stay in the other one again.
Other destination chargers like work places and other areas you go to for a few hours would be good too. The more options there are the more people will switch over.
yes I am aware however, that is only the city areas you showI can appreciate the Rockies aren’t filled with them but you appear to have a few hundred of them in the Seattle area. This will only get better but it’s ultimately up to you. I’m not here to convince you to get an EV as it makes no difference to me to be honest. I won’t be replacing my second car with an EV until I absolutely have to as it’s a good car.
try going from Seattle to Spokane, Seattle to Portland or heaven forbid, Seattle to San Francisco. It's just still VERY difficult here... I am sure rest of world it is not..see below - Electrify America (non-Tesla supercharger network) in the NW USA, plenty of them. depending on your EV, mine needs ~55 min for 160 miles, others, eg Ioniq 5 need < 20 min charging for same distance - it's not VERY difficult.yes I am aware however, that is only the city areas you show
yes, there are plenty more gas stations but there is a sufficient # of super chargers out there (and I'm not pulling up the Tesla supercharger map).
yes, you need to learn a bit more (charger apps are your friend), but it's not rocket science ...
If you WANT to .
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Despite what you keep saying over and over. No one has 55 min for 160 miles on a road trip, that sounds completely tone deaf frankly. Doesn’t matter sold my EV and couldn’t be happier! Onward!
If you are on the interstate highway along the west coast, it is not hard to charge unless you are limited to Level 2 or maybe a slow charger like 50Kw. There are plenty of chargers along I-5. Yes, it can get tricky if you head into the mountains or past, but even there, places like Leavenworth have fast chargers.yes I am aware however, that is only the city areas you show
Perhaps you should come back in a couple of years when the charging network is doubled and the vehicle options are larger and then may be you will find something more to your liking.
I guess I'll add to this thread, since I just happened to see it. I've been driving a Tesla as my daily driver or primary/only vehicle for over 5 years now. I started out buying a used 2014 Model S P85D and loved it. But I also started feeling like I was starting to miss out on all the "self driving" stuff happening with the newer autopilot systems, and realized the old "MobilEye" type setup in my Model S wasn't getting any further software updates. After I had a few "out of warranty" repairs for a bad radiator cooling fan, the yellow border developing around the screen and concerns about the flash storage chip prematurely wearing out, I decided it was probably best to trade up to a newer Tesla. I found a 2017 Model X 75D on sale at an area dealership's used car lot and went for it, since it was (barely) affordable for me. I enjoyed owning it for the year or so I kept it, but my own situation changed a lot and I didn't need anything that big to haul a whole family around in anymore. Plus, it annoyed me more than I thought it would that it had that small of a battery pack. I just couldn't afford a Model X in a better configuration. It spent a lot of time back and forth to the Tesla service center too for various warranty repairs. The gull wing doors used to false-detect obstacles in their way, especially when it was parked outside in the sun and the doors got too warm, and it had numerous suspension issues that kept causing odd tire wear. I can see why the original owner traded it in....
I finally went with a slightly used 2019 Model 3 Performance with full self driving installed on it. This was really my "best" Tesla of the three of them. All the latest tech, good range, great acceleration and handling and practically no issues/repairs! (It had one recall for wiring to the backup camera in the trunk and I finally needed new rear links and front control arms last year. But every Tesla seems to need those with enough mileage.)
Anyway, I kept it until I had about 74,000 miles on it and *just* traded it in last week. Now I'm driving a 2020 Chevy Bolt Premier edition instead. Why go from a Tesla to a Chevy? Mostly a financial movie for me, really. I mean, my monthly payment is cut down by $300 for starters. And while sure, I have a whole new car loan? I kept getting hammered on depreciation on the Model 3, considering I'd bought it back when they sold for $60-70K. It just got painful paying that kind of payment for a car that lost $10,000 overnight with Tesla's price cuts, another $7500 thanks to Federal tax breaks, on top of regular depreciation AND Tesla now announcing a new refresh of the Model 3 by the end of this year. What would it really be worth if I kept it another year or so and put more mileage on it? The Bolt seemed perfect for my realistic needs -- a cheap way to do a daily commute and to run errands, plus visit family/friends and do some food deliveries on the side. I bought a used Pontiac Solstice GXP from a buddy to keep as my fun/weekend car and that satisfies my need for a sporty/performance car.
I finally went with a slightly used 2019 Model 3 Performance with full self driving installed on it. This was really my "best" Tesla of the three of them. All the latest tech, good range, great acceleration and handling and practically no issues/repairs! (It had one recall for wiring to the backup camera in the trunk and I finally needed new rear links and front control arms last year. But every Tesla seems to need those with enough mileage.)
Anyway, I kept it until I had about 74,000 miles on it and *just* traded it in last week. Now I'm driving a 2020 Chevy Bolt Premier edition instead. Why go from a Tesla to a Chevy? Mostly a financial movie for me, really. I mean, my monthly payment is cut down by $300 for starters. And while sure, I have a whole new car loan? I kept getting hammered on depreciation on the Model 3, considering I'd bought it back when they sold for $60-70K. It just got painful paying that kind of payment for a car that lost $10,000 overnight with Tesla's price cuts, another $7500 thanks to Federal tax breaks, on top of regular depreciation AND Tesla now announcing a new refresh of the Model 3 by the end of this year. What would it really be worth if I kept it another year or so and put more mileage on it? The Bolt seemed perfect for my realistic needs -- a cheap way to do a daily commute and to run errands, plus visit family/friends and do some food deliveries on the side. I bought a used Pontiac Solstice GXP from a buddy to keep as my fun/weekend car and that satisfies my need for a sporty/performance car.
That's quite a journey! I think the Bolt is an excellent choice - they are great cars! I'll bet you miss your Teslas once in a while, but taking the Solstice out for a burn is also super fun. Thanks for sharing!
I am confused by your statement.
1. I have owned 2 Jaguars, a Cadillac, and a Buick. All of those are know for their extreme quiet ride. My EV is the quietest I have ever owned.
2. The best build quality I have owed was a Mazda, my EV is in second place to it, but is above all the rest of cars I have owned.
3. Every car has range limitations, I feel you are wording your intentions wrong or you are just parroting rhetoric.
Now instead of typing out random incorrect copy pasted statements, what should have been said is an EV doesn’t work for YOU and we should all be thankful that we live in a world where there are many options to choose from where we can purchase something that will fit our use case, EV/Gas/Diesel/Flinstone powered.
That’s why I live in the US, a free country - not worried what some old man says, obsessed with and EV - trying to make everyone in the world subscribe to the EV culture… as you state, I’m entitled to my opinion and that’s MY opinion.
You seem to have some big chips on your shoulder about an idea of freedom. It seems out of place in the conversation we were having. You mention “some old man” who is obsessed with an EV, but your focus on EVs here seems a little obsessive since you have proclaimed that you don’t want any. In which case, why are you obsessing over them? It seems like you could spend your time more constructively on something else.
What on earth has that got to do with anything? Please don't bring such politics into the thread, it is not only incorrect but has nothing to do with anything. I think you've been clear enough why you are here, and I don't believe you've ever owned an EV, nor any of the other cars you've stated.
But as being said, why waste your freedom with negativity, go do something constructive and enjoyable.
How do you know that person is old? Lol. How random.
Of course you’re entitled to your opinion but so are others and mine is I am suspicious that you’ve ever owned a Q4 if I’m honest. Some of your criticisms just don’t correlate with my own experience and those of the reviewers I have watched about the car, and I’ve done an immense about of research on the Q4 since we committed to one. You also couldn’t provide a picture of it when requested and we all know with the internet it’s very easy to claim something that isn’t necessarily true. Enjoy your SQ5 or Ford Focus, whatever the reality may be.
Probably the reverse as manufacturers announce their intent to eliminate ICE versions. Honda, General Motors, etc. At least that is their intention
Every Automaker’s EV Plans Through 2035 And Beyond
Automakers plot their moves from combustion engines to hybrids (done) to plug-ins and full battery-electric or hydrogen fuel cell cars, trucks and 18-wheelers.
www.forbes.com