Who has or is planning to get an electric car / EV Talk

[4sallypat]

My second mod: rear deck spoiler on my Space White Mustang Mach E.

Genuine Ford part:

Paid only $200 due to coupon and Ford Pass points.

 

[Martin29]

Got my first EV this week.

Loving every minute with it so far

 

[Apple fanboy]

Got my first EV this week.

Loving every minute with it so far

Welcome to the club.
My boss has an MG4. A friend has a slightly older MG5.

 

[Martin29]

Welcome to the club.
My boss has an MG4. A friend has a slightly older MG5.

It’s a great car, and here in Europe, giving some of the established marques something to think about.

 

[AlaskaMoose]

We don’t have the types of vehicles here that you guys have and for good reason. They would cost a fortune to run, especially that 5 litre, as petrol and diesel here is around £1.50 ($1.91) a litre at the moment. We also have congestion charges in some cities. I’m popping to Bristol today for a friends birthday and if I take my Audi A4, it would cost £9 for 24 hours. The Q4 is free and it’s a way of getting people to dump more polluting cars which I partly agree with, although it targets the poor more than anything. I agree with the environmental aspect of course.

The other thing to consider is the annual vehicle tax and some of your vehicles would cost perhaps £635 a year to register for the road and this system is based partly on emissions and partly on the original cost of the car. Our Q4 is free, but from 2025 even EV’s over £40K in value will be hit with a £575 annual premium for the first 5 years.

There’s a lot to consider for motorists going forward, but one thing is for certain ICE vehicles are going to get more and more expensive to run. EV’s are the future, maybe the distant future, but it’ll be the most affordable option for all motorists at some point. I get that EV’s are practical for everybody yet and there is not enough affordable options on the market for mass adoption, but it’s slowly improving as the months and years pass.

Yes, it would probably be too expensive for you to drive ICE vehicles. In Alaska we do have property taxes, but not vehicle taxes. It is not very expensive for us to continue driving our ICE vehicles, since we can choose which one to drive at the moment, and also because each of us (my wife and I) drive under 3,000 US miles per year. Where we live at and the type of driving my wife and I do, having EVs at home would be quite a lot more expensive than ICE automobiles.

Our house has two driveways, and the garage is used to park our ICE play-toys (UTV, ATV with a plow, snow blower, snowmobiles, and so on. The vehicles and a couple of trailers are parked outdoors.

But lest say that we want to go on a long drive and spend a few days camping off the road system. In this case we drive one of the two trucks with a travel trailer that is much like a home-away-from-home. Two dogs go with us too. In this case, even if driving the truck with the 5.7L engine paying for the fuel is not too expensive, since we aren't paying for lodging, and are preparing our foods in the trailer (it has a refrigerator, heater, stove/oven, shower, beds, and so on). To drive around town, we can drive the Corolla, or y wife's RAV4, both which are relatively low in fuel consumption. But again, while we may have to drive 20 miles or less to buy groceries once per week, and now and then go on a long trip around Alaska, we don't drive very much in one year.

All our vehicles have been paid for, the automobile insurances we have fall under an umbrella policy that is not too expensive (somewhere under $1,000.00 USD per year for home and automobile insurance). Also, at ou age, we can have what is called a "Z tab" in all of our vehicles, including trailers. "Z-tabs" are a lifetime vehicle registration. It means that we only pay one time (from $100.00 to $150.00 USD) for the registration and plates until we get rid of the vehicle, or just "kick the bucket"

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Yes, it would probably be too expensive for you to drive ICE vehicles. In Alaska we do have property taxes, but not vehicle taxes. It is not very expensive for us to continue driving our ICE vehicles, since we can choose which one to drive at the moment, and also because each of us (my wife and I) drive under 3,000 US miles per year. Where we live at and the type of driving my wife and I do, having EVs at home would be quite a lot more expensive than ICE automobiles.

Our house has two driveways, and the garage is used to park our ICE play-toys (UTV, ATV with a plow, snow blower, snowmobiles, and so on. The vehicles and a couple of trailers are parked outdoors.

But lest say that we want to go on a long drive and spend a few days camping off the road system. In this case we drive one of the two trucks with a travel trailer that is much like a home-away-from-home. Two dogs go with us too. In this case, even if driving the truck with the 5.7L engine paying for the fuel is not too expensive, since we aren't paying for lodging, and are preparing our foods in the trailer (it has a refrigerator, heater, stove/oven, shower, beds, and so on). To drive around town, we can drive the Corolla, or y wife's RAV4, both which are relatively low in fuel consumption. But again, while we may have to drive 20 miles or less to buy groceries once per week, and now and then go on a long trip around Alaska, we don't drive very much in one year.

All our vehicles have been paid for, the automobile insurances we have fall under an umbrella policy that is not too expensive (somewhere under $1,000.00 USD per year for home and automobile insurance). Also, at ou age, we can have what is called a "Z tab" in all of our vehicles, including trailers. "Z-tabs" are a lifetime vehicle registration. It means that we only pay one time (from $100.00 to $150.00 USD) for the registration and plates until we get rid of the vehicle, or just "kick the bucket"

Unfortunately it’s people like you who live in regions ill equipped for EV adoption that will find yourselves struggling to get newer vehicles at some point. As manufacturers pledge to stop making ICE cars from 2025/26/27 onwards, cars in some regions will have to last and will be kept much longer.

It costs about £10 to charge our Q4 which gives us about 250 realistic miles. By contrast that’s about half a tank of fuel on my A4 and that would cost me around £50, so it’s considerably cheaper. The biggest cost would be the car itself. If you only do just 3k miles a year and EV infrastructure is developing in Alaska, I can’t see it being too much of an issue in a decades time maybe.

 

[Speed38]

I just got a Prius Prime last October. I’m still on the original gas tank. Haven’t bough gas yet but I’m down to a quarter tank. I get about 30 miles on a charge. From a simple 110 outlet that is about 5 hours. Half that with a public charger or home 240 volt charger. I like it a lot. The Toyota build quality is great.

I was going to get a full electric car but I think we are just on the cusp of major battery improvements. There has been a huge investment in batteries over the last decade. This has improved battery performance quite a bit, but the next commercialized improvement should be impressive. I expect we’ll see longer range, lower prices and better lifetime usage within three years.

My daughter is on her second Prius and adores them.

 

[AlaskaMoose]

Unfortunately it’s people like you who live in regions ill equipped for EV adoption that will find yourselves struggling to get newer vehicles at some point. As manufacturers pledge to stop making ICE cars from 2025/26/27 onwards, cars in some regions will have to last and will be kept much longer.

It costs about £10 to charge our Q4 which gives us about 250 realistic miles. By contrast that’s about half a tank of fuel on my A4 and that would cost me around £50, so it’s considerably cheaper. The biggest cost would be the car itself. If you only do just 3k miles a year and EV infrastructure is developing in Alaska, I can’t see it being too much of an issue in a decades time maybe.

Agree. To have an electrical infrastructure in Alaska is not as easy as it seems, because of the great expanse of land (nearly impenetrable forests, tundra, wetlands, and so on). Alaska isn't very populated considering that it is such great landmass (733,583 inhabitants in 2022). Most of Alaska belongs to the Federal Government, then the Alaska Native populations, and the smaller section is the state or public lands. To electrify Alaska would be very expensive, since electrical power has to be generated within Alaska, unlike the rest of the US except Hawaii.

How Big Is Alaska Compared To Europe? Surprising Facts You Never Knew!

How big is Alaska compared to Europe? Discover the staggering size comparison between Alaska and Europe and be amazed!

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Let’s begin with Alaska, the largest state in the United States. Spanning an astonishing 1.7 million square kilometers (663,267 square miles), Alaska is a true behemoth. To put it into perspective, it is larger than the combined land area of the next three largest U.S. states—Texas, California, and Montana. The sheer scale of Alaska’s expanse is truly mind-boggling. From the rugged mountains of the Alaska Range to the sprawling wilderness of the Arctic tundra, this state showcases a diverse tapestry of landscapes that captivate the imagination. Its jagged coastlines stretch for more than 34,000 miles, surpassing the combined coastline of all the other U.S. states. Alaska is also home to numerous majestic glaciers, including the famous Hubbard Glacier, which spans a jaw-dropping 122 kilometers (76 miles) in length.

 

[I7guy]

Incentives are there, yes, your number is a bit off as you still have to pay taxes/license fees on that $40k and then you have to qualify for the fed tax credit…

We’ll as of now:
- fed tax credit if $7500 does have restrictions but many will get the full credit
- NJ offers a $4k/$1.5k instant credit based on price of the EV only
- no sales tax for EVs in NJ
- the state will reimburse most of the installation and cost of the device for an approved green charger
-like any vehicle there are license fees, destination fees, registration fees.

 

[jz0309]

We’ll as of now:
- fed tax credit if $7500 does have restrictions but many will get the full credit
- NJ offers a $4k/$1.5k instant credit based on price of the EV only
- no sales tax for EVs in NJ
- the state will reimburse most of the installation and cost of the device for an approved green charger
-like any vehicle there are license fees, destination fees, registration fees.

Looks like you bought at a good time.

 

[Expos of 1969]

Unfortunately it’s people like you who live in regions ill equipped for EV adoption that will find yourselves struggling to get newer vehicles at some point. As manufacturers pledge to stop making ICE cars from 2025/26/27 onwards, cars in some regions will have to last and will be kept much longer.

Sponsor for immigration a few of the older fellows from Cuba. They have been doing miracles for years in repairing and keeping the 1950s US cars on the roads.

 

[CraigB1960]

We got our 2018 Model 3 LR (used from Tesla) in February 2022. It had a max range of 281 miles on it when we drove it off the lot (if I remember right) with 32,000 miles on the ODO. Dropped pretty quickly to 273 miles initially but then held there for most of last year.

August 2023 and 75,000 miles on the ODO we have a max range of 271 miles when fully charged.

We're very impressed/happy with what we're seeing.

But agreed, I wish there was more observations on stuff like this - there's a FEW YouTube videos but not many.

I have the app STATS on my phone and it does a very good job tracking battery degradation. According to it, my cars went from 354 miles new on both to now 308 Max and 324 Max. Both about the same miles of 50k and 1.7 years old. I do charge my wife's car daily on home charger so that might be the reason it is down to 308. According to stats both are doing well with regards to the fleet average.

 

[4sallypat]

We’ll as of now:
- fed tax credit if $7500 does have restrictions but many will get the full credit
- NJ offers a $4k/$1.5k instant credit based on price of the EV only
- no sales tax for EVs in NJ
- the state will reimburse most of the installation and cost of the device for an approved green charger
-like any vehicle there are license fees, destination fees, registration fees.

Gotta love NJ.

No sales tax - wow that is nice!

In California, in addition to the federal credit we got earlier this year on the Lightning; we only get a $2K state rebate.

I did get back 30% of the EVSE installation on my federal taxes which was nice.

 

[Huntn]

Texas like other states are seeking way to recover lost tax revenue from lost gasoline sales, passing a law charging a $200 annual usage tax for EV ownership. This is reported as on the high end of the spectrum compared to other states. Based on a principle I’d say this is fair, however, if the fee is for road maintenence I’d prefer that those who put the most wear and tear on the roads, pay the most. That would be interstate trucking. Now I admit, I am not familiar with all the fees associated with interstate trucking. It’s just an idea I’m exploring based on principle.

Under new state law, Texas will bill electric vehicle drivers an extra $200 a year

The new registration fee is meant to make up for the state’s lost revenue from gasoline taxes that are used to pay for road construction and maintenance.

www.msn.com

 

[AlaskaMoose]

Texas like other states are seeking way to recover lost tax revenue from lost gasoline sales, passing a law charging a $200 annual usage tax for EV ownership. This is reported as on the high end of the spectrum compared to other states. Based on a principle I’d say this is fair, however, if the fee is for road maintenence I’d prefer that those who put the most wear and tear on the roads, pay the most. That would be interstate trucking. Now I admit, I am not familiar with all the fees associated with interstate trucking. It’s just an idea I’m exploring based on principle.

Under new state law, Texas will bill electric vehicle drivers an extra $200 a year

The new registration fee is meant to make up for the state’s lost revenue from gasoline taxes that are used to pay for road construction and maintenance.

www.msn.com

Interstate trucking is highly regulated by Federal and State governments, but of which collet great sums of money, although I have no idea if the money is used for road maintenance

Interstate vs. Intrastate Trucking: Everything You Need to Know

Interstate and intrastate trucking have different requirements. Find out how crossing state lines changes your obligations as a truck driver.

truckstop.com

I believe that some cities are collecting tax for new EV registrations (maybe Washington State?).

 

[Apple fanboy]

Texas like other states are seeking way to recover lost tax revenue from lost gasoline sales, passing a law charging a $200 annual usage tax for EV ownership. This is reported as on the high end of the spectrum compared to other states. Based on a principle I’d say this is fair, however, if the fee is for road maintenence I’d prefer that those who put the most wear and tear on the roads, pay the most. That would be interstate trucking. Now I admit, I am not familiar with all the fees associated with interstate trucking. It’s just an idea I’m exploring based on principle.

Under new state law, Texas will bill electric vehicle drivers an extra $200 a year

The new registration fee is meant to make up for the state’s lost revenue from gasoline taxes that are used to pay for road construction and maintenance.

www.msn.com

Here we have been exempt from car tax for EV’s. However from 2024 I will have to pay around £260 a year. I don’t mind paying, but I don’t think it should be higher than the polluting cars pay.
Not the end of the world as I don’t pay anything (mostly) for fuel!

 

[jz0309]

Texas like other states are seeking way to recover lost tax revenue from lost gasoline sales, passing a law charging a $200 annual usage tax for EV ownership. This is reported as on the high end of the spectrum compared to other states. Based on a principle I’d say this is fair, however, if the fee is for road maintenence I’d prefer that those who put the most wear and tear on the roads, pay the most. That would be interstate trucking. Now I admit, I am not familiar with all the fees associated with interstate trucking. It’s just an idea I’m exploring based on principle.

Under new state law, Texas will bill electric vehicle drivers an extra $200 a year

The new registration fee is meant to make up for the state’s lost revenue from gasoline taxes that are used to pay for road construction and maintenance.

www.msn.com

a lot of states have started this, I am not 100% sure how CA handles this, my car is due for registration renewal mid Nov so I should get the DMV notification within a few weeks and those detail the items of the fees ...

CA in particular with the highest ration of EVs is not making as much income of gasoline tax as before, but how that money is/was used, who really knows?
I think they need to look at electricity pricing, if say (for simplicity) my electricity bill increases by $100 - should any of that go to the state to offset the gasoline tax?

 

[Apple fanboy]

Interesting video on battery recycling. Based in Arizona. We need more places like this.

 

[jz0309]

Gotta love NJ.

No sales tax - wow that is nice!

In California, in addition to the federal credit we got earlier this year on the Lightning; we only get a $2K state rebate.

I did get back 30% of the EVSE installation on my federal taxes which was nice.

some counties and some utilities have additional rebates in CA ...
and as for the state rebate, that comes ut of some "special" fund and I'd expect that to go away not too far in the future

 

[AlaskaMoose]

Gotta love NJ.

No sales tax - wow that is nice!

In California, in addition to the federal credit we got earlier this year on the Lightning; we only get a $2K state rebate.

I did get back 30% of the EVSE installation on my federal taxes which was nice.

Well, in reality NJ residents have a high tax burden compared to a lot of other States. However, New Yorkers have the highest tax burden in the nation (?)

State and Local Tax Burdens, Calendar Year 2022

Tax burdens rose across the country as pandemic-era economic changes caused taxable income, activities, and property values to rise faster than net national product. Tax burdens in 2020, 2021, and 2022 are all higher than in any other year since 1978.

taxfoundation.org

 

[BigMcGuire]

Owner of a 2018 M3 LR. I don't think this has been posted yet?

Tesla battery longevity not affected by frequent Supercharging, study says

Tesla battery degradation is not accelerated by frequent Supercharging, which was previously thought, according to an extensive new study. It...

electrek.co

Update: Scientists Reveal how EV Fast Charging Impacts Battery Health

www.recurrentauto.com

I can count on both hands and feet the # of people who have told me my battery would be dead before I hit 100k miles. We've got almost 80k miles on our Tesla and it has barely lost 10 miles on the range since we got it last year with 30k miles on it. With what we owe on this thing... (yay 2022 - not a good year for buying cars) - we'll be driving it till it stops moving. And I'm very ok with that. Best car we've ever owned.

Stats are fairly accurate because I have my local utility plugged into the app so it knows how much my electricity costs at all times of the day. We're also lucky because work and other is free.

 

[Apple fanboy]

Owner of a 2018 M3 LR. I don't think this has been posted yet?

Tesla battery longevity not affected by frequent Supercharging, study says

Tesla battery degradation is not accelerated by frequent Supercharging, which was previously thought, according to an extensive new study. It...

electrek.co

Update: Scientists Reveal how EV Fast Charging Impacts Battery Health

www.recurrentauto.com

I can count on both hands and feet the # of people who have told me my battery would be dead before I hit 100k miles. We've got almost 80k miles on our Tesla and it has barely lost 10 miles on the range since we got it last year with 30k miles on it. With what we owe on this thing... (yay 2022 - not a good year for buying cars) - we'll be driving it till it stops moving. And I'm very ok with that. Best car we've ever owned.

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Stats are fairly accurate because I have my local utility plugged into the app so it knows how much my electricity costs at all times of the day. We're also lucky because work and other is free.

Funny thing is those same petrol heads that tell you your battery will be dead after a few years, will cost a fortune to replace and your car will barely manage half its specified range after the first few weeks, never seem to talk about how their ICE cars are loosing power, efficiency and also cost a fortune to replace an engine.
Meanwhile those that live with EV's just keep on motoring with out the predicted problems.

Taking mine to the lake district on Thursday. I've selected my option A and option B charging stops. Not very hard at all.

 

[jz0309]

Owner of a 2018 M3 LR. I don't think this has been posted yet?

Tesla battery longevity not affected by frequent Supercharging, study says

Tesla battery degradation is not accelerated by frequent Supercharging, which was previously thought, according to an extensive new study. It...

electrek.co

Update: Scientists Reveal how EV Fast Charging Impacts Battery Health

www.recurrentauto.com

I can count on both hands and feet the # of people who have told me my battery would be dead before I hit 100k miles. We've got almost 80k miles on our Tesla and it has barely lost 10 miles on the range since we got it last year with 30k miles on it. With what we owe on this thing... (yay 2022 - not a good year for buying cars) - we'll be driving it till it stops moving. And I'm very ok with that. Best car we've ever owned.

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Stats are fairly accurate because I have my local utility plugged into the app so it knows how much my electricity costs at all times of the day. We're also lucky because work and other is free.

yea, funny that people still argue battery life. one needs to consider that 1000 charge cycles for a say 250 mile range EV translates into 250,000 miles ...

 

[jz0309]

Funny thing is those same petrol heads that tell you your battery will be dead after a few years, will cost a fortune to replace and your car will barely manage half its specified range after the first few weeks, never seem to talk about how their ICE cars are loosing power, efficiency and also cost a fortune to replace an engine.
Meanwhile those that live with EV's just keep on motoring with out the predicted problems.

Taking mine to the lake district on Thursday. I've selected my option A and option B charging stops. Not very hard at all.

yea, "range anxiety" doesn't really exist when you own an EV ...

 

[Apple fanboy]

yea, "range anxiety" doesn't really exist when you own an EV ...

Indeed. Not with the apps and everything else there is to assist you.