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The Prius is a proven platform, Prime or not. You will be good with then next step to Prime.
Yeah I don't think getting used to the Tesla way of doing things will be hard, after a quick 30 min test drive I was smooth on the one pedal breaking.
My commute is around 60 kms one way, so a little longer at 37 miles. Though my driving is all in pastoral farm lands, so little to know traffic. I just love the idea of self driving, getting in and enjoying the scenery with little input from me. Did you buy outright the full self driving option? The price tag seems kinda crazy considering if you pay monthly at $99, it would take 10 years to equal buying it outright.
I have never bought a new vehicle in my life. I always buy used from the manufacture. Last year, I bought my 2019 TM3 LR directly from Tesla. They included Acceleration Boost and FSD at the time. After a few months of driving my TM3, getting back into my A4 and Ram 1500 felt like stepping back in time, so much so I sold them and picked up a 2021 TMY LR 7-seater. At the time, they still had AB and FSD included. So, I have both AB and FSD on both of mine. They also added an additional 1 year or 10k miles to the bumper-to-bumper warranty.
FSDs isn't perfect, you do learn when it will fail, or act in a way you don't like. This is when you will need to take over. I won't go back to live pre-FSD. I love it.
My current vehicle is a 2020 Outback. Great car, functional, but what a difference after coming in from a test drive of the Y. If it all works out with the company vehicle I would just sell the Outback and stick with the Y as my car, will be nice to save on fuel, maintenance, insurance and all the rest.
The Y that I test drove was a 7 seater, though that back seat is difficult to actually call a seat. No way an adult is sitting back there, and I have trouble believe a child could sit back there, it looked more like a leather bucket to me then an actual seat that is comfortable for anyone. The only thing I think I would miss from my Outback is the space in the back, both in length and width.
Did you move the middle row forward? The 7-seaters have sliding middle rows, unlike the 5-seaters. It gives a couple extra inches that would allow a smaller child or two to sit in the 3rd row. But yeah, it is small. I opted for it, since I have a 2.5 year old (now 2.5 was 1.5 when I got the Y). There will be a few years where I can benefit from allowing him to sit in the 3rd row, while 2-3 adults sit in the 2nd row.
The only thing you lose with the 7-seater is the small front undertrunk storage (it is smaller than the rear full sized undertrunk), and the ability to get the Performance model.
Also, since I got it used, it was the same price on Tesla's site as the 5-seater. I saw it, popup early morning and immediately reserved it.
I've seen several reviews of the new Chevrolet Equinox EV and unlike the Blazer EV, it appears GM has properly sorted out the car's various system. Sure, I'll miss Apple Carplay, but it appears they did a good job with the Google-based infotainment system.
Yes, initial reviews look good.
There are 2 thoughts I have, one is that fast charging is limited to 150kW and while that is sure better than my Bolt EUVs 50kW, it’s far from the 350kW that some offer, eg Ioniq 5/6.
Secondly, not sure I’d buy a new EV with CCS, supposedly pretty much every manufacturer will offer NACS with the 2025 models.
As for CarPlay, while GM might have resolved their initial hiccups, everything they’re offering is a paid service and while some of it is offered “free” for several years, it’s not for lifetime. What happens after those initial free years?
I would take a hard look at the Ioniq 5, they’re discounting by at least $7500 to offset the tax rebate…
I get it from a finance point of view. But remember the resources to build a new EV are cancelled out (from an environmental point of view) after just two years of typical ownership. With a 10 year battery warranty you’d expect to be driving it for longer than 15-20 years.
And it’s unlikely your old ICE car is going to the crusher.
As for the flaws there really is a lot less than those people who’ve never been in an EV would have you believe.
Just for clarification for people reading you mean in the US. In Europe we are all committed to CCS. Have been for years.
US is CCS1 and Europe is CCS2. US is moving away from CCS1 to NACS.
That’s what I said yes. Just not everyone on here is in the US so sometimes it is important to distinguish. There won’t be any movement to NACS over here I’m sure.
Well, CCS1 and CCS2 aren't the same thing. So, saying Europe is committed to CCS to people in the Americas might confuse people. They may think the US CCS is the same as Europe's CCS, which is not true.
To confuse it more for new people. Tesla equipped NACS are now using CCS protocol (the originally only spoke "Tesla"). My 2021 TMY from the factory speaks CCS, my 2019 TM3 did not, but I had the CCS retrofit performed on the TM3.
This means if I do need to use a 3rd party NACS or use a CCS1 to NACS adapter my TMY/3 both will work.
Road wear is proportional to the fourth root of the axel weight. Assuming this is the same for tyre wear (I can't see why it wouldn't be) then the extra weight of the car is the problem.
That isn't to say that hard acceleration and braking won't have an affect, just that like for like a heavy EV is always going to wear down its tyres more quickly.
Our Q4 e-tron has been really good on tyre wear so far. It’s done 10,100 miles and fitted with Pirelli Scorpions. Tread is still about 6mm and we both drive with a lead foot at times. I remember a couple of years back a friend of ours had a Tesla Model X and seemed to go through tyres at an alarming rate. Nearly £400 a tyre too, but luckily his employer was footing the bill.
Tesla model S/X when in the best aero mode (low down) would change the alignment, causing tires to prematurely wear. This is the same for other vehicles with air ride (adjustable height) suspensions. Alignments change based on ride height, so you try to align them to the height you spend the most time at.
EVs can be heavier, but other than the big trucks they aren't much different than similar sized ICE vehicles.
It's mostly the fun pedal, and high-performance tires that gets us. Instant torque from a stop eats tires.
EVs can be heavier, but other than the big trucks they aren't much different than similar sized ICE vehicles.
It's mostly the fun pedal, and high-performance tires that gets us. Instant torque from a stop eats tires.
Yes, the smell is terrible 😁 You re also correct about the cost of the filters because they are relatively cheap, but some shops, including the dealership, charge quite a lot for labor.
You may or may not be comfortable switching to an EV now and that’s understandable. There are a lot of factors to consider and the EV space is changing rapidly. I’m not sure that the energy cost of a new car is the sure thing that it seems at first glance. Depending on its gas mileage, it might be more ecological to replace that ICEV with an EV. EV efficiency is surprisingly, advantageous from the standpoint of CO2 production and energy usage.
New EV vs. old beater: Which is better for the environment?
New EV vs. old beater: Which is better for the environment?
EVs require more energy to build, but they are far more efficient to operate.
I've read that very, very few chargers offer more than the 150 kW initial charging rate, even at Tesla Supercharing stations. Even the ChaoJi connector used in China rarely goes above 150 kW. I've read that GM may offer a SAE J3400 to CCS 2 adapter to EV owners probably by the end of 2024, which will allow GM EV's to charge at Tesla Supercharger stations.
How does it work with Tesla's and charging at non Tesla charging stations? I have one just up the street from me, so if I do end up getting a Tesla Y I would not have a charger at home, have the faster charger at work. If I was to juice up at a non Tesla branded charging station I am assuming I would need adapters, does Tesla come with them or that is something that needs to be purchased?
Depends where you are based. In the UK and Europe they are all the same. No adapters required.
First, what country are you in? Charging is different between the US and other countries. In the US Tesla's and Tesla Super Chargers share the NACS plug (scroll back a few posts to look at the plugs). When you have a Tesla or a Ford/Rivian you can just plug into these and get billed though your vehicle app (charges the card on file).
Tesla's have one rate, while 3rd party (Ford/Rivian) have a higher (but still cheaper than a lot of other L3 non-Tesla chargers). Ford/Rivian need to use an adapter that goes from US CCS1 to NACS (provided by Ford/Rivian, or 3rd party).
If you have a Tesla and want to use non-Tesla charges, if there are fees, you will need their app to facilitate charging. My local grocery store (Volta has L2 charging J1772 to NACS adapter is needed) has free charging for the first 2 hours. There are tons of paid Non-Tesla L2 chargers around me, but you need their app. If you want to use a non-Tesla L3 charger, you will need to use a NACS to CCS1 adapter, and facilitate payment with the app of the charger.
I think things are different in Europe, as I believe their chargers are mandated to have "at pump" payment capabilities. So, you can pay directly on the 3rd party chargers without needing to download an app. They also have the benefit to Tesla, Tesla chargers, other vehicles and other chargers all using CCS2. So, it is just payment, which since they have a "pay at pump" mandate, it is seamless.
Since there are several companies, and some require money sitting in an account (not exact payment), it really is not ideal to use 3rd party chargers in the US, unless you stick to a particular brand. I have money sitting in an account for Flo chargers that I never use...
Also, if you happen to be in a remote place with no cell phone service, you are out of luck on these 3rd party chargers... Especially if you need to download an app and setup payment prior to charging.
In the US, the Tesla public charging experience is just better. Even if you have a Ford/Rivian that can use Tesla chargers, they are still limited to compatible chargers. It is nice though that they get direct payment when they do use a compatible charger.
EDIT: The lack of standard really screwed us here in the US. If you need to use public chargers, the best experience is Tesla, not only because of not needing all these adapters, but also because Tesla has the best uptime vs others. So many other companies do a terrible job of maintaining their chargers.
But for me, I charge at home 99% of the time. In the last 1.5 years, I have used chargers a total of 4 times away from home.
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EA, EVGO etc have been deploying 350kW chargers over the past 2 years or so, and as far as I know Tesla V4 SUC also supports 350kW, so it’s coming as it is the new “standard”.
And yes, there will be adapters for non-Tesla EVs eventually.
It all depends on your needs, if you are doing frequent longer roadtrips, think twice. For me, I’ve only been on a couple longer trips since I have the EUV and charging speed is not critical.
And even though I don’t have the need currently, if I were to buy a new EV today, I’d get one that can take advantage of 350kW, but that’s just me