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There's right now only three EV models I would consider: Volvo EX30, Kia EV3 (due late in 2025) and the refreshed Chevrolet Bolt EUV with the new drivetrain and Ultium battery pack (due later this year).
 
A great example of why some of the traditional manufacturers are left behind. I love initiatives, and this looks ok'ish. But, in my opinion already runs about 3–4 years behind in technology with very slow charging, terrible efficiency and a stupidly high price. Honda and Sony 🙈 such a shame.

Saying that, I bet they still sell a few just because of their names, and then wonder why they don't sell more...

Yes, it's exactly that. A very expensive offer for whatever reason combined with being available only in 1 or 2 years or whatever. It already looks run of the mill now, where will it be in 2027....
It's also weird advertising, are they selling sensors by the kilo or a car? At least mention the obivous LIDAR instalation instead of "40 sensors".
Immersive Entertainment Selection? Customizable Theme? Among others... Marketing mumbo jumbo running around.
And an extreme highlight on Tesla's charging? Do they know which company also sells cars that charge very well on Tesla's chargers? Now?
 
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I mean, a DC 150kWh max charging is very basic, as good as any public DC charger can do that. To release right now it should be over 200 at least, but from that pair one would reasonably expect right now 800V architecture and north of 300 charging.
 
Considering the Renault 5 already allows 150 kW in its largest battery (which isn't that large, it's a B-segment car with 40 or 52 kWh) by the time this launches we could probably have a Dacia matching that.
 
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Considering the Renault 5 already allows 150 kW in its largest battery (which isn't that large, it's a B-segment car with 40 or 52 kWh) by the time this launches we could probably have a Dacia matching that.
I’ve driven the Renault 5. Really like it. Might get the Alpine version as our second car runabout. So much fun.
 
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Our US EV loving friends will probably find this Euro gizmo amusing

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lol I can’t upload the other photos as the images from an iPhone 16 Pro Max are too big 🤣 Yup I shoot everything in 50MP mode. the blue one is so deep and rich. Very luxurious paint job.
 
I mean, a DC 150kWh max charging is very basic, as good as any public DC charger can do that. To release right now it should be over 200 at least, but from that pair one would reasonably expect right now 800V architecture and north of 300 charging.
Sure, 150 is basic but for a lot of folks it’s sufficient. Not everyone takes their cars on long roadtrips, a lot of folks drive well below 200 miles on a daily basis. So for the occasional roadtrip I might accept it if the price point is right. And that with this duo is questionable
 
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Sure, 150 is basic but for a lot of folks it’s sufficient. Not everyone takes their cars on long roadtrips, a lot of folks drive well below 200 miles on a daily basis. So for the occasional roadtrip I might accept it if the price point is right. And that with this duo is questionable
It is. Our car is 155 kWh max. But that is a 4 year ago released model. This is a new entry at $89000 😬 Context is everything.

But technology moves on, you get 800v architecture for half the price from the Korean brands and the Chinese brands. And those designs are now also a year old.
 
It is. Our car is 155 kWh max. But that is a 4 year ago released model. This is a new entry at $89000 😬 Context is everything.

But technology moves on, you get 800v architecture for half the price from the Korean brands and the Chinese brands. And those designs are now also a year old.
so that Honda/Sony is already available? missed that. and I 100% agree, at 89k I'd expect 800V.
 
A great example of why some of the traditional manufacturers are left behind. I love initiatives, and this looks ok'ish. But, in my opinion already runs about 3–4 years behind in technology with very slow charging, terrible efficiency and a stupidly high price. Honda and Sony 🙈 such a shame.

Saying that, I bet they still sell a few just because of their names, and then wonder why they don't sell more...


Well it figures when you turn cars into appliances that can only scare you with straight line speed.

Since the Afeela won't do that, it will hinge on the interior experience... but it probably won't hold up. The only parties who can sell based solely on that will soon be RR and the like.

The Chinese are coming and in this new reality of cars being disposable appliances, they will steamroller everything.

Personally, I'm in the process of getting out from my sole electric car and going back to a hybrid as a short-range runabout - something that can actually be a real appliance. The SUV *may* turn electric too but my primary cars will stay gas (or high-performance hybrid) for as long as I can.
 
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Agreed, although in the case of an EV, they have a motor per axle so, there are fewer loses in the drivetrain. And some have triple motors, like two in the back, and a single for both front wheels.

The closest in a normal road gong car that I'm aware of would be in the Porsche Hybrid system. Most car hybrids use the electric part to get going and then add the engine to it. Porsche can do that as well when you are gentle, but if you are not, it is engine only, and then the electric part gets added at the top end. Like an extra boost, you are getting. It is quite an experience and still gets me every time. You need a fully charged battery to have that party trick.
The Toyota hybrid powertrain is quite robust too:
 
Undoubtedly robust, it is a Toyota. But very much removed from the kind of F1 approach that you brought into the conversation, as clearly explained in the video. We had a Prius once, with the 1.8VVT engine, we hated the thing. I hated how you could be standing still and the engine revs likes mad charging the batteries. I also hated how in hilly area there is so little power output, made me feel a bicycle would be quicker :p And the interior, well I could only stand so much recycled plastic in a lifetime. But yes, robust undoubtedly.
 
I remember test driving a Civic Hybrid and at the time that earned me a deep hatred for CVTs . At the time I was still only driving manual so that thing looked even tasteless.
 
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I remember test driving a Civic Hybrid and at the time that earned me a deep hatred for CVTs . At the time I was still only driving manual so that thing looked even tasteless.
Yes, the CVT gearbox with a lower powered engine is not a pleasant driving experience. I've experienced it in a more powerful Audi and it was good but had a terrible reputation for reliability. We've also had one in a Nissan Murano mated with the 3.5V6 (similar to the 350Z) and it really suited that car and relatively lazy yet strong V6.
 
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