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I guess at some point I'll finally break my streak and post a youtube video.
Yeah it is starting to get daylight out by the time I get to work but most of the time it is dark when I leave as well.
What’s going on with the next apple carplay update?
I lease the equinox ev and can’t use CarPlay which sucks. They said it’s because with CarPlay I wouldn’t be able to know how much farther I can go without charging which really isn’t a huge deal unless I am taking a big road trip a long weekend from ct to Boston, nyc, Maine, Vermont … 300 miles is not bad
I think it’s more the car companies are mad apple wont share your data with them.
I love the equinox ev and it was super cheap to lease for 2 year for under 7,500. I was going to buy it for 33k because of the incentives(sticker was 52k) but a lease that cheap couldn’t pass it up
I’ve seen people install chrome on the car and watch live tv on the monitor but doesn’t seem safe haha
I lease the equinox ev and can’t use CarPlay which sucks. They said it’s because with CarPlay I wouldn’t be able to know how much farther I can go without charging which really isn’t a huge deal unless I am taking a big road trip a long weekend from ct to Boston, nyc, Maine, Vermont … 300 miles is not bad
I think it’s more the car companies are mad apple wont share your data with them.
I love the equinox ev and it was super cheap to lease for 2 year for under 7,500. I was going to buy it for 33k because of the incentives(sticker was 52k) but a lease that cheap couldn’t pass it up
I’ve seen people install chrome on the car and watch live tv on the monitor but doesn’t seem safe haha
I had to Google Equinox as we don’t have those in Europe.
CarPlay works fine on my BMW. Must be an issue with your car manufacturer.
Do they have an update for the infotainment system maybe?
General Motors has decided that they will not support CarPlay or Android Auto on their EVs. They claim that their system is so good that you won’t want to use CP/AA ignoring the actual desires of their customers. They make claims that that, if you are using CarPlay you wouldn’t be able to route to a charger, which is irrelevant for most driving. They also make vague hand-wavey warnings about safety and security. It’s some of the same disingenuous claims that I have heard from Rivian.
The reason seems to be that GM doesn’t want the competition on their vehicles when they have said that their goal is to significantly increase their subscription revenue.
Yup $$$ is the one and only reason.
Honda/Acura branded GM EVs do offer CarPlay/Android auto.
And if safety/security were really a concern, they would stop offering CP/AA on their IVE vehicles, wouldn’t they?
I can somewhat see their point. Carplay just isn't the same experience on a connected vehicle with EV. Ours is build on Google's Automative Android Operating System and the in-built integration with Google Maps is infinitely smarter, with green routes that are more efficient, awareness of chargers, impact of elevation, knowledge of home charger etc. Two years after introduction Apple Carplay was made available; and it supports multiple screens, but no integration or awareness of the car itself. Just not an experience at the same level. Two months ago Android Auto was launched, same deal.
Native apps are way better experience. Choice would be good, but looking at how some human beings are, I can just imagine the complaints if there was Apple Carplay.
I don't think folks that drive ICE vehicles expect them to get software updates. My understanding is most folk there are okay with the idea that you have to get a new vehicle to get new features. So offering CP/AA there doesn't potentially impede on future software revenue. It is also why you don't see updates from vehicle manufacturers fixing AA/CP issues very often if ever.
I expect everyone has seen it already, but I am cautiously optimistic about the new Slate mini-truck. Nice to see a basic, low-cost, practical vehicle, especially with the modular design. If they execute well and stay on their goals for cost/features/performance, it could be a massive success.
I don't love that it is Bezos-backed...but at least they won't run out of money.
I don't love that it is Bezos-backed...but at least they won't run out of money.
Agreed about the Bezos thing, but yeah he's definately got some deep pockets...
Did go ahead and have a bit of fun with their configurator, may try the truck, too.
Yea, sure looks/sounds interesting, remains to be seen what they end up delivering though, and at which price point.
Agreed!
But what's going on with plastic fenders these days? It used to be just a small bit of plastic around the wheel arches.
Now the plastic has pretty much taken over the entire front quarter panel...
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For sure.
Also...no AWD yet. RWD only. Not a deal breaker, but I think AWD at the right price would be hugely popular, especially if the truck has a reasonably rugged supsension. Their launch video mentioned lift kits, and showed fairly large optional wheel/tire packages, so it seems odd that there was no mention of AWD.
They have about a year and a half to sort this out.
Starting at 20k with the 7,500 tax credit or after? Ct gives 1,500 currently so a 20k ev would be 11….
The fwd equinox ev is 20k with incentives……
I saw talk that $20K includes the fed incentive. Even at $28K, fairly compelling.
that is if there is a fed incentive at the time of launch
I’m all in EV, but $28k in 2wd vs ICE Maverick makes me think it won’t sell as well as it could at $18k. I see a good use for golf courses, building/property management, and universities. But regular consumers, that price is a bit high for a barebones vehicle.
This also assumes it will actually come out at $28k (pre or if incentives).
I hope it does though, the more the merrier!
That looks kind of cool. I suspect the base battery option is only designed so they can claim a low starting price. 150 mile range means 100 miles in real life. Some people will buy it in that configuration as a toy, but I think most people are going to want at least 200 mile usable range.
It’s going to be interesting to see what the price is going to be with the actual full-size battery and some very basic options. If they can keep it under $30k, it might sell pretty well.
I think if they ask over $30k it’s going to seem like a joke because it’s a super stripped down utility vehicle so they can’t price it that high and expect sales.
so, by native apps you mean maps. that fine. In the relatively rare case when I'm driving to a charger, I can use the native maps. Other times, I may be using software on CarPlay. My podcasts don't live on Android Automotive. I approve of having flexibility and options. There doesn't always have to be a single winner.
Or worse?
Since it will be NMC, one should only charge to 80% for daily use...so that drops it down to about 120, and if one is not comfortable running below 10%, then that means 120 - 15 = 105 max range...before hot or cold weather or a heavy right foot. Best case. Worst case for weather or other common factors probably pushes range down into the 90s at the least.
It would help a lot if the base battery was LFP and closer to 200 mile rating...but I don't think there is any real LFP production for domestically sourced cells currently that qualify for the Fed incentive.
Let's hope there are battery improvements (density, cost, or both) and the range-to-price ratio gets better...not worse.
Serious question: If Dear Leader kills incentives soon, and if tariffs on cells somehow get removed...would it help this launch? With best-in-class LFP packs from CATL or BYD, would this still be tempting as a low-cost EV on a level playing field (no Fed incentives for anybody)?
You are assuming that this new startup would have access or even the funds for these "best-in-class LFP Packs." There are a lot of deep pockets in line ahead of them like Tesla, Ford, GM, Rivian. I would not expect them to get anything other than leftovers...
That’s true and whether it’s a gas or electric vehicle, no one wants to go down to 0% to get home. Everyone wants a little buffer.
The larger battery supposedly has a 200 mile range or something like that. I don’t have the website pulled up, but it was at least 200. That’s reasonable for a range.
I think it would level the playing field.
I have a different view on the range of 150 miles… the average commute in the US is maybe 20 or 30 miles a day. Being in SoCal I know it is way longer for quite a few, closer to 100.
So, assuming you can charge at home or at work, 150 miles will be just fine for at least half the population.
Sure, this is not a long distance EV but how many times does the average persons need to do more than those 150 miles in a day?
And yes, I realize range anxiety is a thing, but it is an artificial barrier and improved charging infrastructure will help.
Time will tell, I hope they will indeed launch and make this an option
So, assuming you can charge at home or at work, 150 miles will be just fine for at least half the population.
Sure, this is not a long distance EV but how many times does the average persons need to do more than those 150 miles in a day?
And yes, I realize range anxiety is a thing, but it is an artificial barrier and improved charging infrastructure will help.
Time will tell, I hope they will indeed launch and make this an option
Exactly. My range is 180 miles at best. But I charge at work. On long journeys I stop every 120 miles or so. But it’s a handful of times per year. My back and bladder have usually had enough by then anyway.