Same.
This Saturday a buddy let me do a quick spin in his.
Despite being so radically different, it was sooooooo intuitive to use.
Drove it less than 5 min, it was otherworldly experience.
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This Saturday a buddy let me do a quick spin in his.
Despite being so radically different, it was sooooooo intuitive to use.
Drove it less than 5 min, it was otherworldly experience.
I do agree there must be an end-of-life plan.
However in congestion urban areas, the EV is a matter of life or death contrast.
Except for one metric, the EV is far superior to ICE (fuel)
Much like Apple's newest offerings, I let others experience the new. I prefer to let
That is a metric that cannot be quantified quite yet. Plenty of supposition, well intended estimation and 'just look at this' data. Yet the actual and eventual impact of the vast majority of vehicles in the world, an absolutely massively staggering number, being electric (versus petroleum based) is still to be determined. Transportation of people, goods, services is massively vital thing. Even a minor change in its cost or efficiency can be harmful.
I'm absolutely for new technology that can increase efficiency while decreasing material, production, operation impact on the land-air-water. But currently a lot of politicians are involved with EV promotion as well as big financial funds that are tasting huge growth in investment return. When that happens we all should raise an eye of skepticism about the original idea's ultimate real positive impact. And one outcome, too often, of leaders of the developed world hurting their elbows from patting themselves on the back in celebration of 'being good' (while fattening their wallets) is the developing world gets a big plate of tough luck. The developed world gets the gold and the developing world gets the shaft. And anyone who doesn't know that story has happened before(more than most of us would realize) isn't taking the time to hear information outside of corporate media (ironically media that are beneficiaries of the gold).
The proverbial road is littered with good intentions. And when the intentions aren't that good to begin with, the road's litter is abundant.
That is a metric that cannot be quantified quite yet. Plenty of supposition, well intended estimation and 'just look at this' data. Yet the actual and eventual impact of the vast majority of vehicles in the world, an absolutely massively staggering number, being electric (versus petroleum based) is still to be determined. Transportation of people, goods, services is massively vital thing. Even a minor change in its cost or efficiency can be harmful.
I'm absolutely for new technology that can increase efficiency while decreasing material, production, operation impact on the land-air-water. But currently a lot of politicians are involved with EV promotion as well as big financial funds that are tasting huge growth in investment return. When that happens we all should raise an eye of skepticism about the original idea's ultimate real positive impact. And one outcome, too often, of leaders of the developed world hurting their elbows from patting themselves on the back in celebration of 'being good' (while fattening their wallets) is the developing world gets a big plate of tough luck. The developed world gets the gold and the developing world gets the shaft. And anyone who doesn't know that story has happened before(more than most of us would realize) isn't taking the time to hear information outside of corporate media (ironically media that are beneficiaries of the gold).
The proverbial road is littered with good intentions. And when the intentions aren't that good to begin with, the road's litter is abundant.
Whichever marketing guy decided to name two dissimilar models the Volt and the Bolt was a dolt.
My neighbor got one last year and says it is the best car he has ever owned. He drives it the 25 miles to work, charges it on the state's dime (he is a Commissioner level state employee) and drives it home. Might use it for an errand or two.
He has his wife's SUV for longer trips.
Which is perfectly fine. EV is perfect for congested city driving, the Hybrids already proved the value.
1. All maintenance costs (money and material) for ICE are massive over a 10 year life spawn. Simply estimate oil changes, at 1.25 gallons of oil, 4 times a year (recommended), 10 years. 1.25 x 4 x 10 = 50 gallons of waste oil.
One of these in 10 years. And there are 100's of millions of cars on road.
That does include all the other parts, like oil filters, engine air filters, tires, coolant, transmission, break fluid, break pads (which EV's almost never use), and perhaps 1 or 2 other items.
Of course then all the fuel that is converted to CO2.
1 gallon of gasoline produces 3x its weight in CO2.
How?
Because of all the Oxygen that is consumed, that is 1 C, with 2x O.
Of course the best option is drive less, use lighter vehicles, bicycle, or even walk, but that will never happen.
Especially since the earth is getting hotter and EV's have AC.
At its very worse, EV are far better than fuel cars at their very best.
I do agree there needs a balance to battery construction, material aquesition, and EOL disposal, but right now EV's are vital to slow the burning up of earth.
Final note, except for a very few countries, EV adoption is very, very slow.
1. All maintenance costs (money and material) for ICE are massive over a 10 year life spawn. Simply estimate oil changes, at 1.25 gallons of oil, 4 times a year (recommended), 10 years. 1.25 x 4 x 10 = 50 gallons of waste oil.
One of these in 10 years. And there are 100's of millions of cars on road.
That does include all the other parts, like oil filters, engine air filters, tires, coolant, transmission, break fluid, break pads (which EV's almost never use), and perhaps 1 or 2 other items.
Of course then all the fuel that is converted to CO2.
1 gallon of gasoline produces 3x its weight in CO2.
How?
Because of all the Oxygen that is consumed, that is 1 C, with 2x O.
Of course the best option is drive less, use lighter vehicles, bicycle, or even walk, but that will never happen.
Especially since the earth is getting hotter and EV's have AC.
At its very worse, EV are far better than fuel cars at their very best.
I do agree there needs a balance to battery construction, material aquesition, and EOL disposal, but right now EV's are vital to slow the burning up of earth.
Final note, except for a very few countries, EV adoption is very, very slow.
That's good information.
Just to be sure of what my response was, I'm not against new tech that reduces production and consumption footprint. I'm for it. But There's several examples of us developed countries forgetting that developing countries don't have the money or room for economic adaption error. Let's just be sure that this isn't political theater (which rarely sees past their own political/financial benefit), first world feel good, developing world feel bad.
I am still considering eventually to get an EV, but the initial cost is just a bit on the daunting side.
So I’m definitely dabbling into getting an EV, possibly by the end of the year, likely in 2022 for sure. I almost pulled the tigger on a white Tesla Model 3 Perfm. early in the year, but decided on a high-performance Camaro instead. But now, I’m looking at four different options:
* Cybertruck [tri-motor].
I don’t really need the extra towing capacity at 14,000 pounds (Versus 10,000 on the dual motor), I just want the highest spec’ possible and to be honest, $70,000 for a truck isn’t abnormally high. If you look at the Ford super duty’s and the Chevy Silverado‘s, GMC Denali‘s, those are easily $65,000-$70,000 trucks that are fully loaded. The other advantage with the Cybertruck, is I really like the ride height, which increases your visibility naturally when you’re elevated. Also, I love the fact that it’s using rolled stainless (Brushed-like) steel, which basically wouldn’t show road chips, and you really can’t scratch the paint, and of course I think in my state, salt is a problem on the road, and that wouldn’t be corrosive to the paint itself.
* Model 3 perfm.
At Almost $53,000, you obviously have the larger brakes, carbon fiber spoiler, 20 inch wheels, and the dual motor has a higher output over the Long Range, it’s basically track ready. The caveat I would have to deal with, is that the sport model comes with summer rated Michelin‘s, which I would need to switch them out for a winter rated tire, however; the specific tire that actually would fit those wheels, are made by Pirelli that cost nearly 5k. So my choice is either buy aftermarket wheels and tires or just buy winter tires. Kind of a hassle, but I don’t have a choice when it comes to safety with having the appropriate tire on the road.
The Long range model is another consideration and booking 8 to 12 weeks out, so clearly Tesla is busy with back orders, what they do also offer the ‘acceleration boost’ feature for an extra $2000, which cuts down the 0-60 time, so that’s also an option.
* Mustang Mach-E GT
I’m not a fan of the styling. I don’t care what Ford did in terms of using the whole Mach-moniker, which is obviously their end goal to use the branding from the Mustang logo to push consumers to accept EV being the new sort of ‘Mustang future’. I do know a guy who actually pre-ordered his Mach-E GT, and his price tag was at $74,000, so it definitely gets pricey quick when you build it on their website, and I believe the build dates for the GT start in August. The only thing I don’t like about the Mach-E (Aside from some styling cues), is that it is being built in China and Mexico, and none of their sourcing is in the U.S is for that particular car. I think it’s also worth mentioning, there’s quite a few software issues that have been noted with the first production model, and that’s through various boards, but I am assuming Ford will rectify most of that through software patches.
*Ford Lightning F-150.
There isn’t a whole lot of information right now in the Ford lightning, but it’s available in four trim levels, and I really like the accessory outboard that you can power with a generator, power tools, and even your house in the midst of a power outage. Again, not really needing the towing capacity, but I wouldn’t mind having EV as a truck if necessary. I also considered the Ford Raptor for a truck over a year ago, and passed on that, but there is still a part of me that really would like to own a truck, which I never have. The pricing for the Ford lightning starts at $40,000 and ranges up to nearly $100,000.
* Cybertruck [tri-motor].
I don’t really need the extra towing capacity at 14,000 pounds (Versus 10,000 on the dual motor), I just want the highest spec’ possible and to be honest, $70,000 for a truck isn’t abnormally high. If you look at the Ford super duty’s and the Chevy Silverado‘s, GMC Denali‘s, those are easily $65,000-$70,000 trucks that are fully loaded. The other advantage with the Cybertruck, is I really like the ride height, which increases your visibility naturally when you’re elevated. Also, I love the fact that it’s using rolled stainless (Brushed-like) steel, which basically wouldn’t show road chips, and you really can’t scratch the paint, and of course I think in my state, salt is a problem on the road, and that wouldn’t be corrosive to the paint itself.
* Model 3 perfm.
At Almost $53,000, you obviously have the larger brakes, carbon fiber spoiler, 20 inch wheels, and the dual motor has a higher output over the Long Range, it’s basically track ready. The caveat I would have to deal with, is that the sport model comes with summer rated Michelin‘s, which I would need to switch them out for a winter rated tire, however; the specific tire that actually would fit those wheels, are made by Pirelli that cost nearly 5k. So my choice is either buy aftermarket wheels and tires or just buy winter tires. Kind of a hassle, but I don’t have a choice when it comes to safety with having the appropriate tire on the road.
The Long range model is another consideration and booking 8 to 12 weeks out, so clearly Tesla is busy with back orders, what they do also offer the ‘acceleration boost’ feature for an extra $2000, which cuts down the 0-60 time, so that’s also an option.
* Mustang Mach-E GT
I’m not a fan of the styling. I don’t care what Ford did in terms of using the whole Mach-moniker, which is obviously their end goal to use the branding from the Mustang logo to push consumers to accept EV being the new sort of ‘Mustang future’. I do know a guy who actually pre-ordered his Mach-E GT, and his price tag was at $74,000, so it definitely gets pricey quick when you build it on their website, and I believe the build dates for the GT start in August. The only thing I don’t like about the Mach-E (Aside from some styling cues), is that it is being built in China and Mexico, and none of their sourcing is in the U.S is for that particular car. I think it’s also worth mentioning, there’s quite a few software issues that have been noted with the first production model, and that’s through various boards, but I am assuming Ford will rectify most of that through software patches.
*Ford Lightning F-150.
There isn’t a whole lot of information right now in the Ford lightning, but it’s available in four trim levels, and I really like the accessory outboard that you can power with a generator, power tools, and even your house in the midst of a power outage. Again, not really needing the towing capacity, but I wouldn’t mind having EV as a truck if necessary. I also considered the Ford Raptor for a truck over a year ago, and passed on that, but there is still a part of me that really would like to own a truck, which I never have. The pricing for the Ford lightning starts at $40,000 and ranges up to nearly $100,000.
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Whaaa?....A....V6 Mustang? If you don’t have a 5.0L coyote, you’re not doing it right. It’s all about smiles per gallon, not miles per gallon.😁 When you’re looking at fuel-efficiency, I also think it’s relative to how you drive. Naturally if you are pushing the throttle harder, then obviously you can expect the results of your mpg to be lower.
Even though with the discontinuation of the V6 Mustang, Fords eco-boost motor is pretty stout and adequately fuel-efficient, and heck, is just as fast as your discontinued V6 Mustang.
The standard model 3 performance is £59,000 here. That’s $81,302! Some conversation rate!
I wonder why Tesla’s are more expensive in the UK compared to the United States? I know they’re popular out in your area, I’m just curious why the inflation.
I have a newer hybrid Accord, and the gas mileage is so good, there's no need for me to consider an EV at this time. It really is the best of all worlds with a small price premium over the ICE version. Hybrids have come a long way since the original Prius and Insight.
As you, I have read/seen a lot of negative issues with Mach-E, from pros to avid car buyers.
Ford seems quite new to the EV world.
Case in point: Ford dealers are unable to service the E, and if the try they end up bricking the E (!!!). That level of incompetence scratches Ford off any EV product consideration for years.
Personally, I would not drive a Mack-E even if given to me for free (I would trade it for something else ASAP)
Consider:
for 5 years after you get one, you will never need a service appointment again.
Only inspection, change cabin air filter, and filling your wiper fluid.
After that expct only tires and maybe 12v battery, and that's it (99.9% sure).
That sounds amazing!
Does anyone have the numbers on the increase to your electric bill if you charge at home.... versus the cost for gasoline?
I've always been curious about that. Electricity has got to be lower, right?
I’m not sure of the actual figures but significantly lower is what I read. In the UK many electricity companies offer cheaper power at night.
Been leasing a Bolt since early 2020
Never buying an ICE car again
(still have an older one that will get driven until it dies)
Never buying an ICE car again
(still have an older one that will get driven until it dies)
Depends on miles driven.
Here are some facts:
Massive power stations will always be cheaper that energy produced by ICE on wheels.
Power companies are offering lower rates at night time for load balancing. EV's can be programed for when to charge, to take advantage of those programs.
A lot of retailers are offering FREE charging as incentive to visit
Quick google search:
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I would be need $15 / mo by that figure, IF I paid the 12c/KWh price, which I would not. Elec discount Programs will cost 1/2 that.
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I think like any vehicle, when it’s the first make/model of a new production, there’s bound to be issues, and when you look at electric primarily being software driven, that’s where the issues are going to primarily be. There’s very few issues with lithium ion technology, as that’s matured greatly over the years, and then of course you have the ‘drive motors’, that’s still too early to tell if Ford will have problems with those yet.
I don’t necessarily think the Mach-E is a bad vehicle, I just think aesthetically, it’s not for me in some ways and it’s too much of a crossover, however; I do think the direct advantage for those who own the Mach-E at least have dealerships they can bring the vehicle into for servicing if need be.
That goes without saying, but what industry experts have said is the Mach-E is indeed the worst of the current EV cars on market in US.