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Apple fanboy

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Not until the 'fill up time' is addressed.

How does one address this?

Imagine that the new Ford F150 Lightning had a 20kw generator in the hood (instead of having a frunk). That's about 26hp and good for 100A of charging at 240V.

Imagine now that the little engine was multi-fuel and could run on propane or gasoline.

When does the ICE run? It can run on long trips, sporadically even. Leave the house at 100% charge, make your 600 mile trip with out ever stopping for a million hours to recharge, just charge on the go. Then charge overnight at your destination.

It should also solve the towing issue, which immediately kills EV range.

The RAV4 Prime is what I call the first generation of the above format.
Sounds like the BMW i3 from 2015. The REX was dropped over here though as they increased battery capacity. Personally I didn’t want the associated service costs of owning an ICE even if it doesn’t drive the wheels. On the i3 forums most problems with the older cars are linked to the REX. REX is a range extending ICE generator.
 

Mega ST

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I would love to have a range extender as a backup. Say your drive into some forrest no chance to charge. Wouldn't this be extremely useful? In Germany it was said range extenders only got abandoned for legal reasons to keep e-car privileges (tax avoidances and inner city's bus lane access) for those BMWs. They needed to be "pure" e. Usability was no factor. A bit like this hybrid debate. A Prius would be today's only "electric" car I might consider to buy.
 

cyb3rdud3

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I can’t see everybody’s posts but the advice you were given then about ‘seriously old and undesirable cars’ in the lower budgets is false and misleading. There are plenty of 3 and 4 year old large SUV’s in the sub £30k budgets. My last 2 cars have been Honda CR-V’s (2015 and 2018 models) and both were under £25k. I’ve owned a 2012 BMW 520D which was 2 years old and cost £23k and I had a 2016 Mercedes C-Class prior to lockdown which was £24k. Plenty of choice in the average budget and the price range that covers the biggest of the secondhand markets.

By 2030 hopefully we’ll see Tesla’s and others come down in price and the older models will be competitive in the market. You need a serious car loan at the moment and debt like that is the last thing people need to be getting into further.
A Honda CRV isn’t a large SUV at all, and you won’t get a new one for £12k as you originally mentioned. But now you seem to have doubled the budget all of a sudden ;)
 

Apple fanboy

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I have the best electric car.

It’s really big.

Carries so many passengers.

So cheap to run.

Such a low carbon footprint per passenger.

Unbeatable energy efficiency per passenger.

Lowest numbers of accidents.

Self driving.

Driver only has to assist.

It’s called a train.

I love public transport.
Move to the UK. They are unreliable, expensive, dirty and keep going on strike.
They don’t work if it
  1. Snows
  2. Rains
  3. Is to warm
  4. Is to cold
  5. There are leaves on the line!
 

decafjava

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Move to the UK. They are unreliable, expensive, dirty and keep going on strike.
They don’t work if it
  1. Snows
  2. Rains
  3. Is to warm
  4. Is to cold
  5. There are leaves on the line!
That privatization really worked out for you all eh? /s I am not trying to mock you all in the UK but the continent generally has really good train service, certainly Switzerland does. The Swiss also have high rates of car ownership and I see more and more EVs on the road. Good to see.
 
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ponzicoinbro

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Move to the UK. They are unreliable, expensive, dirty and keep going on strike.
They don’t work if it
  1. Snows
  2. Rains
  3. Is to warm
  4. Is to cold
  5. There are leaves on the line!

I go to UK every month or two months.

It’s a very big and ancient network.

So I don’t expect it to be easy to maintain.

But compared to what I saw in 80s and 90s it has improved so much.

It was 50% made of wood in those days. The floors, the escalators, all flammable.

And people used to smoke inside the carriage 😂

There was a big fire in Kings Cross that changed everything. Everything has to be carefully regulated and inflammable afterwards.

Compared to those times the UK transport looks like science fiction now.

The changes after the fire were adopted by transport systems all over the world. You see the same parts used on UK transport used in Asia. The same patterns, handles, everything.
 

Apple fanboy

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That privatization really worked out for you all eh? /s I am not trying to mock you all in the UK but the continent generally has really good train service, certainly Switzerland does. The Swiss also have high rates of car ownership and I see more and more EVs on the road. Good to see.
Agreed. I travel by train in Germany fairly often. It’s such a different experience. I buy a ticket weeks in advance, yet I know what time my train will arrive, at what platform and where I need to go for my connection and how many minutes I’ll be waiting. It works great. But apart from the crap UK issues, public transport doesn’t work for my commute. Would take me hours. We only get 2 buses a day to the village.
 

decafjava

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Agreed. I travel by train in Germany fairly often. It’s such a different experience. I buy a ticket weeks in advance, yet I know what time my train will arrive, at what platform and where I need to go for my connection and how many minutes I’ll be waiting. It works great. But apart from the crap UK issues, public transport doesn’t work for my commute. Would take me hours. We only get 2 buses a day to the village.
Well in fact, a lot of smaller towns and villiages in Switzerland in rural areas in the Jura and Alps are better suited to cars than public transport latter limited to "postbuses" that are not as frequent as one might like. Worth it for those who prefer rural life.
 

cyb3rdud3

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Move to the UK. They are unreliable, expensive, dirty and keep going on strike.
They don’t work if it
  1. Snows
  2. Rains
  3. Is to warm
  4. Is to cold
  5. There are leaves on the line!
And not only that, it is expensive. Very expensive. Even me by myself driving into London in our Polestar is cheaper than taking the train, if a family of four travels in the same car the cost saving is a meal out...
 

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And not only that, it is expensive. Very expensive. Even me by myself driving into London in our Polestar is cheaper than taking the train, if a family of four travels in the same car the cost saving is a meal out...
A $50,000 vehicle is cheaper than the train?
 

russell_314

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As long as EV demand remains high (and I expect that to continue, especially with the new credits starting in Jan 2023), then I don't expect prices to drop to <$40K. The manufacturers get much more margin by building out the higher-spec, higher trim models. Since they're still capacity strained on the volume/units they can produce, they need to make the average selling price as high as possible in order to maximize profits.
I agree. The car market as a whole is a disaster with component shortages. Dealers are marking up cars way over MSRP where i live. I've seen one year old used cars selling for more than new MSRP. I don't mean one year old as it sat on a lot for a year but one year old as in maybe 10k miles or maybe more. A car in good shape but no way would I pay more than new price for it.
 
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BeatCrazy

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I agree. The car market as a whole is a disaster with component shortages. Dealers are marking up cars way over MSRP where i live. I've seen one year old used cars selling for more than new MSRP. I don't mean one year old as it sat on a lot for a year but one year old as in maybe 10k miles or maybe more. A car in good shape but no way would I pay more than new price for it.
The last time I got an online quote for my Tesla Model 3, the cash price was more than I paid for it brand new over 2 years ago.
 
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The-Real-Deal82

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I agree. The car market as a whole is a disaster with component shortages. Dealers are marking up cars way over MSRP where i live. I've seen one year old used cars selling for more than new MSRP. I don't mean one year old as it sat on a lot for a year but one year old as in maybe 10k miles or maybe more. A car in good shape but no way would I pay more than new price for it.

Last year I bought a Honda CR-V in the January and sold it in the August of the same year to buy a Peugeot 3008 and part ex’ed it for £3k more than I’d bought it for. Never have I made money on a car before. My father in law bought a VW Tiguan R-Line brand new and was offered £4k more 6 months later, which he didn’t bother with. Crazy times.

Contrast that to Tesla’s where the retail cost has apparently risen £15k in the last 2 years. The car market is slow due to component shortages sure and is about to suffer even more when people cut back on spending further.

Never said a new CR-V cost £12k, quote me please.

I have not suddenly doubled a budget, quote me.

I assume my posts were re-read by that poster by the lack of response. Good stuff
 
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russell_314

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The car market is slow due to component shortages sure and is about to suffer even more when people cut back on spending further.
I hope that when people cut spending it causes a price drop. Right now it's a sellers market so some dealers are taking advantage of it and being predatory. I don't mind when consumers take advantage of the market if they're selling their stuff but dealers should at least stick to MSRP. I got it maybe don't negotiate below like what used to happen but adding 10k or more is just unethical. Yeah I know car salesman being unethical shocking right... What's next, unethical lawyers 🤣
 

cyb3rdud3

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This is silly in multiple ways, but this isn’t the place.
Not sure why you say it is silly. It is reality for me. Where I used to work they were moving offices and the new offices would have reduced parking so they did a survey for public transport. It takes me 30-40 minutes to drive, and I would need to leave the evening before, stay in a hotel, if I want to be in the office by 9.30 in the morning....I'd use public transport if it was better, but it isn't good enough for many people...
 

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A professional driver needs to take breaks by law.

2x15 minute breaks aren't going to help much. It will actually be less charging time since it takes time from the last dropoff to get to a charging station.

Homeowner associations (HOAs) have been known to not provide shared EV charging and also forbid residents from installing their own.

In the U.S. in increasing numbers of states HOA's can't deny your request if you assume responsibility for associated costs.
 

Apple fanboy

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I hope that when people cut spending it causes a price drop. Right now it's a sellers market so some dealers are taking advantage of it and being predatory. I don't mind when consumers take advantage of the market if they're selling their stuff but dealers should at least stick to MSRP. I got it maybe don't negotiate below like what used to happen but adding 10k or more is just unethical. Yeah I know car salesman being unethical shocking right... What's next, unethical lawyers 🤣
In the UK there is no dealers selling above RRP. But whilst there is a stock shortage of both new and second hand cars, there is unlikely to be many deals.
 
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Apple fanboy

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2x15 minute breaks aren't going to help much. It will actually be less charging time since it takes time from the last dropoff to get to a charging station.



In the U.S. in increasing numbers of states HOA's can't deny your request if you assume responsibility for associated costs.
The taxi ranks they have outside airports and train stations would be ideal for this sort of thing as the taxis used to queue for fares. But of course these days it’s all Uber and the like do it probably doesn’t work like that anymore.
 

Apple fanboy

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Not sure why you say it is silly. It is reality for me. Where I used to work they were moving offices and the new offices would have reduced parking so they did a survey for public transport. It takes me 30-40 minutes to drive, and I would need to leave the evening before, stay in a hotel, if I want to be in the office by 9.30 in the morning....I'd use public transport if it was better, but it isn't good enough for many people...
Similar for me. Drive to work 35 minutes. Get there when I need to.
Public transport would take 3+ hours and I couldn’t get there or leave at the correct time of day.
 
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