iPad Pro Who is cancelling their M1 iPad Pro order?

[4743913]

I decided to keep my 2021 iPad Pro 11 because I was upgrading screen size from the Mini 5 anyway, and $200 more for the m1 over the iPad Air is a good value. T-Mobile is giving me the $200 back because I will never own an iPad without cellular.

I do think it was shady of Apple to play the "laptop chip" angle and then cripple the iPad with no mobile versions of Final Cut, Xcode, or Logic.

 

[Jára Tyky]

If you upgrade from Mini there is nothing to discuss about return. It is like saying I went from iPhone 8 to iPhone 12 Pro, shall I return it? 🤦🏻‍♂️

 

[ericwn]

Exactly. It was the first time the iPad was given the same processor as a MacBook Pro. I don't blame anyone that expected some type of paradigm shift in the next iPad OS.

I personally do not care one way or the other, although I was surprised the M1 didn't lead to something new for iPad.

It’s not just in the MacBooks but the iMacs and Mac minis and just a step further to what the iPads already used.

My MacBooks didn’t dual boot into iPadOS either with the introduction of an iPad chip on the Mac side.

 

[inhalexhale1]

It’s not just in the MacBooks but the iMacs and Mac minis and just a step further to what the iPads already used.

My MacBooks didn’t dual boot into iPadOS either with the introduction of an iPad chip on the Mac side.

Your MacBook was able to now run iOS apps on your Mac due to the M1.

Again, not unreasonable for people to assume the opposite would be true, even if it were Apple's own Pro apps.

 

[Broadus]

I am thinking to going return M1 12.9” because I did not find buyer for 2020 :-( and I almost do not see any difference when using 2021. But I do not want..tomorrow is end of my 14 day refund.

Are you saying that the display is almost the same? I set up the Apple Refurbished 2018 12.9” yesterday and immediately wondered about the difference in reading text between it and the 2021. I have to say that the 2018 screen is warmer (more yellowish) than I had anticipated.

 

[seek3r]

Your MacBook was able to now run iOS apps on your Mac due to the M1.

Again, not unreasonable for people to assume the opposite would be true, even if it were Apple's own Pro apps.

And to expand on that, dual boot isnt really a necessary thing here, they're the same OS under the hood, what they would have been expecting would have been supporting touch and supporting the APIs and UI options from iPadOS/iOS as well as not needing real recompiles because the arch is consistent, and we got the latter with the M1 machines. It does "dual-boot" functionally, it just doesnt have a touch screen. There is no need to run a separate OS in this case.

 

[4743913]

If you upgrade from Mini there is nothing to discuss about return. It is like saying I went from iPhone 8 to iPhone 12 Pro, shall I return it? 🤦🏻‍♂️

disagree. the mini 5 is awesome. Its perfect for everything except reading comics, books, and mags which I do a lot of.

 

[Jára Tyky]

Are you saying that the display is almost the same? I set up the Apple Refurbished 2018 12.9” yesterday and immediately wondered about the difference in reading text between it and the 2021. I have to say that the 2018 screen is warmer (more yellowish) than I had anticipated.

To be honest I do not know. Firstly I thought that the difference is big but after two weeks I almost do not know which Ipad Pro I just grab because it is the same. iPad Pro 2021 12.9” has more contrast but I have paperlike screenshield on 2020 so I am not sure if the better contrast is not because of this matte screenshield..

 

[ericwn]

Your MacBook was able to now run iOS apps on your Mac due to the M1.

Again, not unreasonable for people to assume the opposite would be true, even if it were Apple's own Pro apps.

A few iOS apps from what I take away so far, if the developer cares enough to bring them over. The experience seems rather DIY than up to the standards of native software. Keyboard shortcuts to mimic touch interactions? I can do without I think.

There’s certainly some Mac apps on the potential horizon but don’t these apps have to go a long way before I can use them on a bare iPad with no extra hardware like a keyboard, mouse or pencil? Remoting into my Mac on iPad certainly doesn’t indicate this approach is ready for prime time from an interface perspective.

Given the snail pace of iPad development in the last 11 years I do find it unrealistic to expect dramatic changes. Apple sees this as an established product, they’ll polish it a bit here and there but the rough idea is set.

 

[seek3r]

A few iOS apps from what I take away so far, if the developer cares enough to bring them over. The experience seems rather DIY than up to the standards of native software. Keyboard shortcuts to mimic touch interactions? I can do without I think.

There’s certainly some Mac apps on the potential horizon but don’t these apps have to go a long way before I can use them on a bare iPad with no extra hardware like a keyboard, mouse or pencil? Remoting into my Mac on iPad certainly doesn’t indicate this approach is ready for prime time from an interface perspective.

Given the snail pace of iPad development in the last 11 years I do find it unrealistic to expect dramatic changes. Apple sees this as an established product, they’ll polish it a bit here and there but the rough idea is set.

To be fair for a while you could download your apps using something like iMazing and run *any* iPad app on Big Sur, I gather that still works if you downgrade and then re-upgrade after

 

[Cosmo M3]

I do think it was shady of Apple to play the "laptop chip" angle and then cripple the iPad with no mobile versions of Final Cut, Xcode, or Logic.

It's actually the other way around.

 

[LogicalApex]

It's actually the other way around.

How would it be the other way around?

Yes, the M1 chip originated from the Apple A-Series chips and is pretty much an A-Series chip like in the iPhones and iPads, but Apple purposefully rebranded that chip as a M-Series chip to align it with their Macs. Placing the same chip into their iPads wouldn’t be considered “placing a laptop chip in an iPad” if they adjusted the naming to align with it.

Apple then doubled down on this by showing Tim’s infamous MI scene where he is “stealing“ the chip from the Mac for the iPad. They didn’t show him stealing the chip from the iPad when they decided to place it in the M1 macs… See where this is going?

Technically the chips make be very similar and largely identical, but it is very clear Apple doesn’t want them marketed as such. I don’t expect we’ll see iPhones sporting M-Series chips this year…

 

[Cosmo M3]

How would it be the other way around?

Yes, the M1 chip originated from the Apple A-Series chips and is pretty much an A-Series chip like in the iPhones and iPads, but Apple purposefully rebranded that chip as a M-Series chip to align it with their Macs. Placing the same chip into their iPads wouldn’t be considered “placing a laptop chip in an iPad” if they adjusted the naming to align with it.

Apple then doubled down on this by showing Tim’s infamous MI scene where he is “stealing“ the chip from the Mac for the iPad. They didn’t show him stealing the chip from the iPad when they decided to place it in the M1 macs… See where this is going?

Technically the chips make be very similar and largely identical, but it is very clear Apple doesn’t want them marketed as such. I don’t expect we’ll see iPhones sporting M-Series chips this year…

You’re not wrong about how they marketed it.

I’m just going to take it as it was an iOS SoC that was beefed up and streamlined for desktop device to better unify Apple’s supply control and vertical integration, but people were triggered when Tim pulled a Tom Cruise in a corny marketing schtick to hype a device that was never intended to replace their MacBooks.

People forget that the iPad was designed since its inception to be the “in-between” device between the iPhone and the Mac - like three venn diagrams each representing an overlap, without completely overlapping the other.

 

[4743913]

It's actually the other way around.

I didn't say the reality of it. I said the angle. Timmy Apple dropping into the ubersecret apple notebook labs to steal the laptop chip and stick it in an iPad? They knew exactly what they were doing with their scam. They weren't telling you that your facebook app would run faster.

As I said, it didnt affect me as I was upgrading screen size anyway.

 

[Cosmo M3]

I didn't say the reality of it. I said the angle. Timmy Apple dropping into the ubersecret apple notebook labs to steal the laptop chip and stick it in an iPad? They knew exactly what they were doing with their scam. They weren't telling you that your facebook app would run faster.

As I said, it didnt affect me as I was upgrading screen size anyway.

Agree 100%

 

[LogicalApex]

You’re not wrong about how they marketed it.

I’m just going to take it as it was an iOS SoC that was beefed up and streamlined for desktop device to better unify Apple’s supply control and vertical integration, but people were triggered when Tim pulled a Tom Cruise in a corny marketing schtick to hype a device that was never intended to replace their MacBooks.

People forget that the iPad was designed since its inception to be the “in-between” device between the iPhone and the Mac - like three venn diagrams each representing an overlap, without completely overlapping the other.

People have to buy based on what Apple has delivered...

That being said, the assumption has been made that WWDC is the full and complete story on the M1 iPad Pro. It is very possible we're still going to see new features added to iPadOS for it. Apple has become accustomed to adding a lot of features in point releases lately as we've seen with iOS 14.

 

[paulcons]

It makes perfect sense for me, 90% of what I do is consume video... bigger than my 9.7 gen 2 Pro and HDR content. Doesn't at all surprise me they hobbled it so much, this ain't the apple of atkinson & hertzfeld, they are a souless money machine. Hell, it's looking more and more like if my cMP melts down, its goodby apple desktop... I want the dual boot and upgradeable part.

 

[Surfman]

It does everything i need/want so no return here.
I wanted a bigger iPad and more storage after 2.5 years with the 11” 64gb, so got the M1 12.9 256GB and MGK, i ditched/sold my late 2015”27” imac while there was some value in it, got half back after 5.5 years, thought about the 24” but not giving apple another $2.5K AUD for just another bigger screen to watch video etc. Got a 65” sony TV for that.
Everything i need is on board and backed up in the cloud. Combined with my 12 pro max i am set. First time since 2009 with no mac. I run my business with it, mainly for photos, email, pages, files app, the rest is consumption.

 

[dalestrauss]

What were you expecting Apple to have done?

1) not update the iPad Pro

2) use a slower processor in the updated iPad Pro?

3) advertise the iPad Pro with a disclaimer that there are currently no new features that make use of such horsepower?

Or:

1) simply wait until wwdc announcement before deciding whether to buy an iPad Pro or not?

I really don’t see how Apple is being dishonest here.

Perhaps by waiting until WWDC for the big letdown AFTER first pre-orders were delivered and the return date expired? Let's see how many hit the refurb store...

 

[cp1160]

The argument here goes in circles like a spinning top.

Apple said little directly and hinted at a lot of things. Hence why the hype machine got ramped up so much. Tim doing his Mission Impossible skit was only one part of that. Disclosing RAM for the first time (and not retroactively disclosing it for other iPads on sale) was another. I think everyone thought that merging macOS and iPadOS was a less realistic idea, but people expected "Pro Apps" or something "Pro" to align with the heavy signaling Apple did regarding the M1 chip. Currently, Apple has offered nothing for these devices. They've offered so little that the M1 iPad is now considered a rather weak update like the 2020 iPad Pro

It ends with this tagline... This is on Apple's YouTube feed...



They also added Thunderbolt 3/USB 4 support which so far isn't actually capable of being fully utilized on iPadOS...

But sure... It was only idiots who somehow drew a Mac connection here...

So it seems like you admit they did not hype or overpromise and stated the facts - the new machines will have the M1 chip......so why take them to task on it? They never hinted at merging, never said the new machines did all a Mac would do, etc. So is it disappointment they did not deliver a dream and fantasy of a device that did everything every Apple product can do?

On another note / direction....yes, the device is expensive. However, I have seen some people dropping incredible money on the highest end Samsung phones that can deliver less productive work capability than the iPad. I am not talking about features...simply the ability to use the device for ongoing actual work productivity. Yes I can make a movie on my iPhone.....but is sure is not a fun experience and a client would likely see issues, but with an iPad I can. The screen, the new features, the USB C port all move the new iPad Pro into new production levels for me.

Just wish my fav applications Capture One Pro and Final Cut Pro on an iPad OS application (not saying I want to run the Mac application on my iPad, just saying having the core functions of those apps on iPad is my nirvana).

 

[cp1160]

We’re going back and forth over whether red is blue or not (it’s red). Apple spends a lot of money on their presentation, and they‘re very deliberate about what they do. They sent a message when they created that scene where they took an M1 chip out of a Mac and put it in an iPad and then chose to put together a presentation with how excited developers were about the M1.

They sent a message that many people picked up on. They did some very intentional stuff to suggest this was more than just a regular processor update.

Red is red and hype is hype.

Guess I am dense as Ironwood and sank to oceans bottoms, but I watched it again, and again, and I am not picking up the message that this was more than a processor, screen, USB-C and some related upgrades.

Likewise I was not expecting Mac-like things. I have 3 Macs and 2 iPads and an iPhone. Each setup to do specific functions and none asked to do the work of another device.

 

[ericwn]

Guess I am dense as Ironwood and sank to oceans bottoms, but I watched it again, and again, and I am not picking up the message that this was more than a processor, screen, USB-C and some related upgrades.

Likewise I was not expecting Mac-like things. I have 3 Macs and 2 iPads and an iPhone. Each setup to do specific functions and none asked to do the work of another device.

And you’re absolutely not alone with that assessment.

 

[thefriendshipmachine]

I have an iPad Pro 2018, and there's virtually no reason to upgrade whatsoever. Apart from a marginally nicer screen it would be throwing $1,500 into a fire because the beautiful new hardware is constrained by iOS so nothing will feel better or different.

 

[darngooddesign]

Perhaps by waiting until WWDC for the big letdown AFTER first pre-orders were delivered and the return date expired? Let's see how many hit the refurb store...

I wasn’t let down because I didn’t listen to all the fantasy speculation and hype. I’m looking forward to OS15 because it fixes my main issue with OS14’s multitasking.

I just bought a new 11” because I needed to upgrade, and I like using iPad OS in addition to Mac OS.

 

[thefriendshipmachine]

Guess I am dense as Ironwood and sank to oceans bottoms, but I watched it again, and again, and I am not picking up the message that this was more than a processor, screen, USB-C and some related upgrades.

Likewise I was not expecting Mac-like things. I have 3 Macs and 2 iPads and an iPhone. Each setup to do specific functions and none asked to do the work of another device.

Each for different functions, except the iPad is capable of completely replacing the Mac if Apple did the right thing for the product instead of their pocketbook.